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TSauronthas
post May 23 2024, 05:42 PM

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Our dilemma as SCMP post below ... still looking for affordable EV car , government should look into lower taxes to promote more people afford to own EV while EV charging station infra are developing : -

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/ar...hinder-adoption
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post May 24 2024, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(auronthas @ May 23 2024, 05:42 PM)
Our dilemma as SCMP post below  ... still looking for affordable EV car , government should look into lower taxes to promote more people afford to own EV while EV charging station infra are developing : -

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/ar...hinder-adoption
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yea

no need to solely rely on P1 and P2.. can just give grant or one-time rebate (new car only) from customer transition from ICE to Hybrid/BEV.

best if provide focus on B40 and M40 people and set applicable car below RM201K only.
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post May 28 2024, 04:31 PM

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We won’t find any imported EVs under RM100,000 due to the current policy which is seen as a move to protect the local automotive industry.

Here's good stats on EV preference in Malaysia

https://soyacincau.com/2024/05/27/jpj-ev-re...020-april-2024/
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post May 29 2024, 08:41 AM

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I have never put my faith into hybrid because it consists of engine and battery that we actually not saving the cost in long run. Hybrid still need regular ICE service meanwhile in 8 years time may need battery replacement. Imagine hybrid is always 10-15% higher than ICE model. We save some petrol in hybrid but the initial purchase is already more expensive.

EV is the future and battery technology is keep evolving. In China Nio and IM both brands have launched semi-solid state battery that theoretically can last 1000km as claim. Even if it cannot achieve 1000km with 30% off it will still capable to go up to 700km which is pretty decent. IM claim that the battery is 900v and capable to give 400km in just 12 min charge (400kwh charger).

EV tech is not mature yet and the range will get better, charging time will get shorter and more charging ports in the future. Giving another 5 years time we should see more advance EV compare to current one.
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post May 29 2024, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 29 2024, 01:41 AM)
I have never put my faith into hybrid because it consists of engine and battery that we actually not saving the cost in long run. Hybrid still need regular ICE service meanwhile in 8 years time may need battery replacement. Imagine hybrid is always 10-15% higher than ICE model. We save some petrol in hybrid but the initial purchase  is already more expensive.

EV is the future and battery technology is keep evolving. In China Nio and IM both brands have launched semi-solid state battery that theoretically can last 1000km as claim. Even if it cannot achieve 1000km with 30% off it will still capable to go up to 700km which is pretty decent. IM claim that the battery is 900v and capable to give 400km in just 12 min charge (400kwh charger).

EV tech is not mature yet and the range will get better, charging time will get shorter and more charging ports in the future. Giving another 5 years time we should see more advance EV compare to current one.
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post May 30 2024, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 29 2024, 08:41 AM)
I have never put my faith into hybrid because it consists of engine and battery that we actually not saving the cost in long run. Hybrid still need regular ICE service meanwhile in 8 years time may need battery replacement. Imagine hybrid is always 10-15% higher than ICE model. We save some petrol in hybrid but the initial purchase  is already more expensive.

EV is the future and battery technology is keep evolving. In China Nio and IM both brands have launched semi-solid state battery that theoretically can last 1000km as claim. Even if it cannot achieve 1000km with 30% off it will still capable to go up to 700km which is pretty decent. IM claim that the battery is 900v and capable to give 400km in just 12 min charge (400kwh charger).

EV tech is not mature yet and the range will get better, charging time will get shorter and more charging ports in the future. Giving another 5 years time we should see more advance EV compare to current one.
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ev tech... basically motor and battery, are quite mature actually, only production/economy of scale is not here...

ev nowadays is great as city car and its battery should last its lifetime... buy for this purpose and you won't be disappointed...

as for long distances... i prefer more changing stations than longer range battery... for example, my diesel car can go pinang-singapore-pinang with one full tank... petrol cars cannot but is non-issue because plenty of stations around...

technology will keep improving until it becomes uneconomical... next 5 years may see generation improvements, will buy again then biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dwRK @ May 30 2024, 10:59 AM)
ev tech... basically motor and battery, are quite mature actually, only production/economy of scale is not here...

ev nowadays is great as city car and its battery should last its lifetime... buy for this purpose and you won't be disappointed...

as for long distances... i prefer more changing stations than longer range battery... for example, my diesel car can go pinang-singapore-pinang with one full tank... petrol cars cannot but is non-issue because plenty of stations around...

technology will keep improving until it becomes uneconomical... next 5 years may see generation improvements, will buy again then biggrin.gif
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In next 5 years there should be at least 3-4 times more charging stations around Malaysia and more convenient for long journey drive. Of course not yet like petrol which take 5 min for full tank of 600km range, but a 30 min DC charge for 300km range should be very good to carry on the journey.

Hopefully solid state battery will reveal in next 5 years that solve the current problem of EV, longer range and shorter charging time.
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post May 30 2024, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 30 2024, 11:56 AM)
In next 5 years there should be at least 3-4 times more charging stations around Malaysia and more convenient for long journey drive. Of course not yet like petrol which take 5 min for full tank of 600km range, but a 30 min DC charge for 300km range should be very good to carry on the journey.

Hopefully solid state battery will reveal in next 5 years that solve the current problem of EV, longer range and shorter charging time.
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imho range is not really an issue now...

lets take mid size 50KWh ev, 350-400km range... this is KL-Kuantan... or KL-Ipoh-Pinang with a quick charge... 6 hours festive jam aside, no issue here...

main problem is queuing... 3 evs in front of you, will be 2hrs later when you are done with your charging

the reason tesla is successful is all because of the supercharger network in the us... anyways longer range and faster charging is always welcomed...

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post May 30 2024, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 29 2024, 08:41 AM)
I have never put my faith into hybrid because it consists of engine and battery that we actually not saving the cost in long run. Hybrid still need regular ICE service meanwhile in 8 years time may need battery replacement. Imagine hybrid is always 10-15% higher than ICE model. We save some petrol in hybrid but the initial purchase  is already more expensive.

EV is the future and battery technology is keep evolving. In China Nio and IM both brands have launched semi-solid state battery that theoretically can last 1000km as claim. Even if it cannot achieve 1000km with 30% off it will still capable to go up to 700km which is pretty decent. IM claim that the battery is 900v and capable to give 400km in just 12 min charge (400kwh charger).

EV tech is not mature yet and the range will get better, charging time will get shorter and more charging ports in the future. Giving another 5 years time we should see more advance EV compare to current one.
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That's why I opened this post on hybrid vs. EV.

And BYD has launched their hybrid (petrol + battery) Qin L and Seal 06 which can go as far as 2100km. There's still a high demand on hybrid during the transition until fossil fuel reduced/extreme high price and electricity from renewable energy are adequate + EV charging station infrastructure readiness

https://www.scmp.com/business/china-busines...fficient-hybrid
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post May 30 2024, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(auronthas @ May 30 2024, 03:29 PM)
That's why I opened this post on hybrid vs. EV.

And BYD has launched their hybrid (petrol + battery) Qin L and Seal 06 which can go as far as 2100km. There's still a high demand on hybrid during the transition until fossil fuel reduced/extreme high price and electricity from renewable energy are adequate + EV charging station infrastructure readiness

https://www.scmp.com/business/china-busines...fficient-hybrid
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question is... Malaysia got or not

cbu hybrid for now cost more than ev

ckd hybrid also cost more than some ev

wanna upgrade my hybrid but nothing catches my fancy...

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post Jun 4 2024, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ May 30 2024, 05:53 PM)
question is... Malaysia got or not

cbu hybrid for now cost more than ev

ckd hybrid also cost more than some ev

wanna upgrade my hybrid but nothing catches my fancy...
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From China price market, for example BYD Atto 3 is RMB 119k, BYD Qin L (hybrid) is RMB 99k. It really depends on local car dealer price brackets, based on supply and demand during the transition. And the recent EV road tax new structure in 2026, should also include PHEV/hybrid for more people to switch towards greener transportation.
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post Oct 23 2024, 03:06 PM

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Looks like hybrid PHEV is rising fast than EV especially in Europe. I believe the demand of PHEV locally is rising
with recent launch of Haval H6 HEV and today Jaecoo J7 PHEV , a good transition than EV IMO

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I got a latest update from charging companies. The charging companies are willing to invest more charging ports in anywhere of Peninsular, but the holding part is the "approval" from local municipals, bomba and energy authority. Hope Miti or any relevent gov authority can help set a standard to speed up the process. Currently all local municipals have different standard even though from the same state.
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post Oct 24 2024, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ Oct 24 2024, 10:23 AM)
I got a latest update from charging companies. The charging companies are willing to invest more charging ports in anywhere of Peninsular, but the holding part is the "approval" from local municipals, bomba and energy authority. Hope Miti or any relevent gov authority can help set a standard to speed up the process. Currently all local municipals have different standard even though from the same state.
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Could be the new Planning Malaysia requirement under KPKT, as well as ST, Bomba, to take care car owners and public electric and fire safety. Hope the approval process will be sped up from local councils as well as the charging companies comply with the requirement.
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QUOTE(autodriver @ Oct 24 2024, 11:23 AM)
I got a latest update from charging companies. The charging companies are willing to invest more charging ports in anywhere of Peninsular, but the holding part is the "approval" from local municipals, bomba and energy authority. Hope Miti or any relevent gov authority can help set a standard to speed up the process. Currently all local municipals have different standard even though from the same state.
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This is true, you need go thru few agency like Bomba, TNB, local authority before you can install the charging station. I also ask Apartment/Condo management they also feedback same for installing it.

Bomba - Safety Concern, TNB also safety and billing issue, last authority green light.
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QUOTE(auronthas @ Oct 24 2024, 02:21 PM)
Could be the new Planning Malaysia requirement under KPKT, as well as ST, Bomba, to take care car owners and public electric and fire safety.  Hope the approval process will be sped up from local councils as well as the charging companies comply with the requirement.
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After speed up the process we can see EV adoption will increase rapidly. If people who stay in condo and about 2km got a DC charging station, I believe some people will not mind to leave home early like 30min and go for the charging before heading to office, or people drop by for charging before home.
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post Jan 15 2025, 10:51 PM

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Why hybrid is still the best choice for Malaysia...


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just joined the hybrid bandwagon.

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