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dwRK
post May 21 2024, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ May 21 2024, 03:09 PM)
Lets do a simple comparison for ICE vs EV.

Say normal sedan car.
1 full tank RM 100 get 400km. (RM 0.25/km)
Fill up 4 times per month means 1600km ( average 50km per day.) make sense?

For EV, taking BYD Atto 3 as reference.....
345km range, 50kWh battery.
taking each RM 0.56 /kWH= that is RM 28
That will be 0.08 RM/km?
which is RM 130 per month for 1600km reference.

this will be RM 270 per month or around RM 3000/year.

In absolute term, it is not a lot, but still substantial right
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elec cost needs to add taxes.... 0.65 is the better number, i'd just use 0.7

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post May 30 2024, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 29 2024, 08:41 AM)
I have never put my faith into hybrid because it consists of engine and battery that we actually not saving the cost in long run. Hybrid still need regular ICE service meanwhile in 8 years time may need battery replacement. Imagine hybrid is always 10-15% higher than ICE model. We save some petrol in hybrid but the initial purchase  is already more expensive.

EV is the future and battery technology is keep evolving. In China Nio and IM both brands have launched semi-solid state battery that theoretically can last 1000km as claim. Even if it cannot achieve 1000km with 30% off it will still capable to go up to 700km which is pretty decent. IM claim that the battery is 900v and capable to give 400km in just 12 min charge (400kwh charger).

EV tech is not mature yet and the range will get better, charging time will get shorter and more charging ports in the future. Giving another 5 years time we should see more advance EV compare to current one.
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ev tech... basically motor and battery, are quite mature actually, only production/economy of scale is not here...

ev nowadays is great as city car and its battery should last its lifetime... buy for this purpose and you won't be disappointed...

as for long distances... i prefer more changing stations than longer range battery... for example, my diesel car can go pinang-singapore-pinang with one full tank... petrol cars cannot but is non-issue because plenty of stations around...

technology will keep improving until it becomes uneconomical... next 5 years may see generation improvements, will buy again then biggrin.gif

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post May 30 2024, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 30 2024, 11:56 AM)
In next 5 years there should be at least 3-4 times more charging stations around Malaysia and more convenient for long journey drive. Of course not yet like petrol which take 5 min for full tank of 600km range, but a 30 min DC charge for 300km range should be very good to carry on the journey.

Hopefully solid state battery will reveal in next 5 years that solve the current problem of EV, longer range and shorter charging time.
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imho range is not really an issue now...

lets take mid size 50KWh ev, 350-400km range... this is KL-Kuantan... or KL-Ipoh-Pinang with a quick charge... 6 hours festive jam aside, no issue here...

main problem is queuing... 3 evs in front of you, will be 2hrs later when you are done with your charging

the reason tesla is successful is all because of the supercharger network in the us... anyways longer range and faster charging is always welcomed...

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post May 30 2024, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(auronthas @ May 30 2024, 03:29 PM)
That's why I opened this post on hybrid vs. EV.

And BYD has launched their hybrid (petrol + battery) Qin L and Seal 06 which can go as far as 2100km. There's still a high demand on hybrid during the transition until fossil fuel reduced/extreme high price and electricity from renewable energy are adequate + EV charging station infrastructure readiness

https://www.scmp.com/business/china-busines...fficient-hybrid
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question is... Malaysia got or not

cbu hybrid for now cost more than ev

ckd hybrid also cost more than some ev

wanna upgrade my hybrid but nothing catches my fancy...


 

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