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post May 17 2024, 11:29 AM, updated 2y ago

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post May 17 2024, 11:44 AM

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thank god i have money to fly to SG for such treatment if i ever need it..

god save Malaysia...
may those who die due to a lack of doctors go to heaven..
and those who reject this solution to rot in hell forever in Satan's bum

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post May 17 2024, 11:50 AM

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Why such an important training\course is delegated to UiTM only?

Are the people in charge stupid?
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post May 17 2024, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(seather @ May 17 2024, 11:49 AM)
thank god i have money to fly to SG for such treatment if i ever need it..

god save Malaysia...
may those who die due to a lack of doctors go to heaven..
and those who reject this solution to rot in hell forever in Satan's bum
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that was my uncle's specialization, and he made a very good career out of it in singapore.
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post May 17 2024, 11:52 AM

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post May 17 2024, 11:52 AM

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But non-bumi overseas students can come and do Post Graduate in UiTM ?

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post May 17 2024, 11:53 AM

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Why was the program not in um ukm usm upm???
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post May 17 2024, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ May 17 2024, 11:50 AM)
Why such an important training\course is delegated to UiTM only?

Are the people in charge stupid?
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Sebab plotek

If open to other unis macam mana mayu bersaing dengan type C?
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QUOTE(pandah @ May 17 2024, 11:53 AM)
Why was the program not in um ukm usm upm???
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Type M tabuli Cari makan bersaing dengan type C
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QUOTE(MaybachS600 @ May 17 2024, 11:29 AM)

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Eh isn't kadazan people in Sabah considered bumi?

why UITM not train enough bumi thoracic doctors?
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Why such an important training\course is delegated to UiTM only?

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actually, UiTM is a solution to a problem that started elsewhere..

basically a big fukup between MMC and MOH...




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QUOTE(seather @ May 17 2024, 11:49 AM)
thank god i have money to fly to SG for such treatment if i ever need it..

god save Malaysia...
may those who die due to a lack of doctors go to heaven..
and those who reject this solution to rot in hell forever in Satan's bum
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the irony is u go SG to see doctor for treatment and the doctor is malaysians rolleyes.gif
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More easy for company to stop hire theses grads

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post May 17 2024, 12:12 PM

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post May 17 2024, 12:13 PM

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other uni kenot open one issit?
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post May 17 2024, 12:21 PM

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do they care if ppl die
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QUOTE(pandah @ May 17 2024, 11:53 AM)
Why was the program not in um ukm usm upm???
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ May 17 2024, 11:50 AM)
Why such an important training\course is delegated to UiTM only?

Are the people in charge stupid?
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Due to the shortage of cardiothoracic surgeons in Malaysia, UiTM is asked to consider temporarily opening up its postgraduate programme to non-Bumiputera students but UiTM student council is against it.

Universiti Teknologi Mara’s Student Representative Council (MPP UiTM) is holding a #MahasiswaUiTMBantah protest from 14 to 16 May 2024 intending to spread awareness to its students about their Bumiputera rights.

This comes after suggestions to open up the university’s cardiothoracic programme to non-Bumi students to help fill up the shortage of specialised doctors in Malaysia.

MPP UiTM reiterates that they do not support opening up the university to non-Bumis per Article 153 of the Federal Constitution.

How did we get here?
There are two pressing issues to solve here:

Malaysia has a shortage of cardiothoracic surgeons.

UiTM and National Heart Institute’s (IJN) ‘parallel pathway’ cardiothoracic surgery training programme is the only one offered in the country.
The shortage means patients wait a long time for surgeries in public hospitals. According to the Malaysian Medical Association (MMA), patients wait between six months and a year for a heart bypass surgery in hospitals and some die while waiting.

At the rate it’s going, MMA president Dr Azizan Abdul Aziz said the country will not meet the target of having 28,000 medical specialists by 2030.

To increase the number of cardiothoracic specialists, Prof Dr Raja Amin Raja Mokhtar, who is on the Board of Studies of the cardiothoracic surgery postgraduate programme by UiTM-IJN, suggested UiTM temporarily open its doors to non-Bumi students in the national interest.

According to Code Blue, Dr Raja Amin said legislative amendments are not needed for UiTM, which was formed under Article 153 of the Federal Constitution, to admit non-Bumi students.

The senior consultant cardiothoracic surgeon at the Department of Cardiovascular and Thoracic Surgery at UiTM’s Faculty of Medicine said that alternative routes for non-Bumi students like the public university’s private wing or the postgraduate programme for international students can be considered.
If UiTM can open its doors to international students, we don’t see why it can’t open up to all fellow Malaysians, on a needs basis.
MMA president Dr Azizan Abdul Aziz


When the news of opening up the university was first reported, Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Zambry Abdul Kadir said there had been no discussion on the matter.

Meanwhile, UiTM vice-chancellor Professor Datuk Dr Shahrin Sahib said the university will remain closed to non-Bumis but will accept whatever the government decides with the king’s blessings.

Former law minister Datuk Zaid Ibrahim said there’s no tangible reason not to allow non-Bumi students into UiTM as the nation must come first.
UiTM was started to help bumiputeras, this should continue. But today, we have to recognise that (letting) non-Malays into UITM is also assisting the bumiputeras by solving the nation’s problems. The fear of having more non-Malays as doctors, nurses or lecturers (belongs in) the 1970s. We are now one country with more significant problems but have enough resources to serve every group. Do not continue to govern this country with the fear of the past.
Former law minister Datuk Zaid Ibrahim


TLDR: Opening up the cardiothoracic surgery postgraduate programme to non-Bumis is in the interest of the population’s health. It should be putting people’s needs first as there’s an acute shortage of specialists and cardiothoracic surgeons in the country.

BUT DID YOU KNOW?
UiTM-IJN’s cardiothoracic programme is for post-graduates. UiTM right now already has an offering for international students to do their post-graduate studies (this means non-Bumiputera).
They welcome international students for various programmes including a doctorate in cardiothoracic surgery.

What triggered the suggestion to open up UiTM to non-bumi students?
Last December, the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) rejected applications by four pioneer graduates of the cardiothoracic surgery parallel pathway programme to register as specialists on the National Specialist Register (NSR). The parallel pathway programme was initiated by the Health Ministry.

This is because MMC did not recognize the Fellowship of the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh in Cardiothoracic Surgery qualification.

The four have also passed a mandatory RCSEd Joint Specialty Fellowship Examination in cardiothoracic surgery, which is used in Hong Kong and Singapore.
The four graduates took legal action against MMC for refusing to register them on the NSR at the beginning of April.

There are two other lawsuits against MMC filed by a neurosurgeon with FRCS Ireland in neurosurgery and six pathology graduates in medical genetics from Universiti Sains Malaysia (USM).

What’s the status of the issue so far?
On 2 April, the Health Ministry announced that the Parallel Pathway Programme would be recognised and proposed to the Cabinet to expedite the amendment of the Medical Act 1971 9Act 50) for that purpose.

On 19 April, the Higher Education Ministry and Health Ministry agreed to resolve the issue with the programme for medical experts.

On 25 April, Code Blue reported that UiTM is agreeable to temporarily open up its cardiothoracic surgery postgraduate programme to non-Bumi parallel pathway trainees and graduates until the opening of a similar programme at Universiti Malaya (UM).

The proposal to open the UiTM-IJN cardiothoracic surgery postgraduate programme to all races was made after the Health Ministry and the Higher Education Ministry requested UiTM for a solution.

That said, UiTM signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Universiti Malaya Medical Centre (UMMC) in 2021 to help develop a curriculum for UM to start a cardiothoracic surgery postgraduate programme.


Source: What Is #MahasiswaUiTMBantah & Its Relation To Cardiothoracic Surgeon Shortage In Malaysia?
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QUOTE(pandah @ May 17 2024, 11:53 AM)
Why was the program not in um ukm usm upm???
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LOL, dah terang terang lagi nak suluh.
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QUOTE(B0ss_ku @ May 17 2024, 11:54 AM)
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you do realize the underlying issue is due to someone who went for overseas studies, but their syllabus studies are not accredited locally, hence why they find a workaround by re-enroll locally.
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you do realize the underlying issue is due to someone who went for overseas studies, but their syllabus studies are not accredited locally, hence why they find a workaround by re-enroll locally.
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MOH fuk up by allowing this la..
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QUOTE(seather @ May 17 2024, 11:49 AM)
thank god i have money to fly to SG for such treatment if i ever need it..

god save Malaysia...
may those who die due to a lack of doctors go to heaven..
and those who reject this solution to rot in hell forever in Satan's bum
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those who reject this solution will also go to heaven, and additional rewarded with 72 virgins

if you dont understand, then dont anyhow talk about satan

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This is a big issue. A really big one. Where is our prime minister when we’re in a pickle such as this? I havent heard a peep out of him. Uitm and its fallacy is a smaller issue compared to the dim witted clown we have as our pm and thats saying a lot
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QUOTE(seather @ May 17 2024, 11:49 AM)
thank god i have money to fly to SG for such treatment if i ever need it..

god save Malaysia...
may those who die due to a lack of doctors go to heaven..
and those who reject this solution to rot in hell forever in Satan's bum
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You think Satan's bum is a landfill?
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QUOTE(insan_kamil @ May 17 2024, 12:48 PM)
This is a big issue. A really big one. Where is our prime minister when we’re in a pickle such as this? I havent heard a peep out of him. Uitm and its fallacy is a smaller issue compared to the dim witted clown we have as our pm and thats saying a lot
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Because it's a political suicide, giving a stance on either side will be bad.

Support UiTM = Will surely reduce investors confidence where country rather lose talents than maruah, why would I come invest here where anytime only people from certain race can do certain job in future.

Support Doctor = PM support non-bumi now ! DAP controlling government...
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No worries... many many years from now we will have AI doctors with Star Trek type medical bays.

No need Earth Prince doctors.

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Resumes of UiTM grads hould go into the bin.
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just like japan, welcome outsider like king

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ May 17 2024, 11:50 AM)
Why such an important training\course is delegated to UiTM only?

Are the people in charge stupid?
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QUOTE(killdavid @ May 17 2024, 01:17 PM)
Resumes of UiTM grads hould go into the bin.
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If you are a hiring manager, please do your part.

Fully understandable the tongkat culture in Malaysia but for something like this, at least make some compromise in opening the course in other unis la. No need allow nons inside UiTM, it's a shithole anyways, but wouldn't it be in the nation's best interest if the course is available elsewhere as well?
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QUOTE(MaybachS600 @ May 17 2024, 11:29 AM)

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But but but... just recently UiTM got an African student graduate with 4.0 GPA.... hahahaha
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Export all those specialist to Singapore and Thailand. In the future we will need to go across the border for specialist. This gonna save Government Health budget as no more paying low fee for specialist in Government Hospital.
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Funny lah they allow International students but not their own Malaysian citizens because not earth prince.
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uitm isnt the issue, its mmc accreditation
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QUOTE(seather @ May 17 2024, 11:55 AM)
actually, UiTM is a solution to a problem that started elsewhere..

basically a big fukup between MMC and MOH...
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agreed
also, I dont see any explanation from MMC on why they cannot accept the existing program/cert as valid
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This country's Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) is so ridiculous. Since UiTM is only opened to Bumis and foreigners, then nons okay la and decide go overseas to study for cardiothoracic surgeons qualification, yet our MMC here rejected their specialist qualification which is recognized worldwide. This shortage of cardiothoracic surgeons in Malaysia is memang man-made as Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) is so damn useless.
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I tot K/ say UiTM grad low class, sub standard bla3.....
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QUOTE(Efalex @ May 17 2024, 02:26 PM)
Export all those specialist to Singapore and Thailand. In the future we will need to go across the border for specialist. This gonna save Government Health budget as no more paying low fee for specialist in Government Hospital.
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Hehehe...dun worry lah. Luckily, only UM and UKM medical qualifications are recognised in Singapore. And they must have studied on-site at the main campus of those two universities too. They must then pass MCCQE and be registered with Singapore Medical Council before they can serve as housemen there.

Medical degrees from other Malaysian universities are not recognised in Singapore....maybe regarded as not good??

I remember former Universiti Malaya (UM) medical faculty dean Prof Datuk Dr Adeeba Kamarulzaman said in 2023 to the media at least 30 of UM medical graduates per year choose to go to Singapore annually. Singapore doesn't even have to try to poach these people- the medical grads go because there are no vacancies for houseman training in local hospitals, and no clear career path in Malaysia.

It costs RM1 million to train one new doctor.

UK and Australia are also destinations for Malaysian medical graduates.

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actually ada je uitm doctor from nonmalay, become lecturer, maybe also specialsit. but since issue suddenly become sensationalized, tiba2 ckp tak boleh.

because master programe is an open system. all kuota issue tak amik kira. same with uiam. ideally only for muslim, but still got orthopaedic surgeon got master from uiam evn though not muslim
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ May 17 2024, 03:03 PM)
actually ada je uitm doctor from nonmalay, become lecturer, maybe also specialsit. but since issue suddenly become sensationalized, tiba2 ckp tak boleh.

because master programe is an open system. all kuota issue tak amik kira. same with uiam. ideally only for muslim, but still got orthopaedic surgeon got master from uiam evn though not muslim
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Is the non-Malay local or overseas ?
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Is the non-Malay local or overseas ?
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it is local. thats why i confuse also
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This is a big issue. A really big one. Where is our prime minister when we’re in a pickle such as this? I havent heard a peep out of him. Uitm and its fallacy is a smaller issue compared to the dim witted clown we have as our pm and thats saying a lot
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buddy buddy with Hamas is more important ..he wants to be selected as most influential muslim leader ..
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ May 17 2024, 03:07 PM)
it is local. thats why i confuse also
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Eh, I thought no local non-bumi can enroll in UiTM ?

Or u mean non-bumi graduated from somewhere else and join UiTM as lecturer.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ May 17 2024, 11:50 AM)
Why such an important training\course is delegated to UiTM only?

Are the people in charge stupid?
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Because they KNOW that if open to others, they will lose kau-kau?
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Eh, I thought no local non-bumi can enroll in UiTM ?

Or u mean non-bumi graduated from somewhere else and join UiTM as lecturer.
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the irony is u go SG to see doctor for treatment and the doctor is malaysians rolleyes.gif
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I thot UM already ada. Why not expand on that?
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Why you gays like to stir 3r? It's like there are no other uni that offer the subject other than Uitm!!! MMC is full of rasis who tried to find ways to stop malay medical student progress in career. Now it got backfired because of kkm lack of specialist
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do they care if ppl die
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They rather their mother father children die than having uitm open to all
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Nvm la let them be, let them stuck in their own bubble. We contribute our knowledge and expertise elsewhere where it's appreciated, this country never wanted us here anyway. We are pendatang ma

 

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