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If black market can fake eggs and rice, why not EV car parts ?
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QUOTE(6so @ May 14 2024, 05:23 PM)
You speak as if EU and US guarantee will succumbed to China carmakers takeover. Unless you're living under a rock and don't understand the geopolitical tension going on. Ukraine war already showed they want to de-risk over reliance of a single country to check and balance their economy.

Furthermore you are talking companies that have no track records in manufacturing cars. What gives a handphone maker can make better car than Mazda? So far only BYD made it out of dozens of other China carmakers. You do know that BYD only rank #10 in global car sales.

End of the day, the market and consumer will determine the outcome. US and EU just won't bite the dangling carrot put out by CCP. They know too well how China will fuck-up the market in the long run. Look steel, solar panel, lithium battery, and God knows what other industries runs to the ground because CCP to decide to dump on the market to gain market share. They will priced out high quality with high cost while the rest fight for scrap to compete on low cost.

So you want to drive a coffin wheel box?
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If there’s no fear, then why this type of news and reports comes out? The news are not from China. Geopolitics and decoupling! We are hearing this since Covid but how much de-risk are we seeing today? You think it’s easy to build a new supply chain from scratch? Most of the so called de-risk still depends on China in some forms. Do you think the MNCs going to abandon China market? Do you think car manufacturers like BMW, Volkswagen, Tesla, etc. going to leave China market?

What China managed to do is produce things much more cost effectively. They can make quality things much more cheaper than US and EU. Nobody today say China’s lithium batteries, solar panels, etc. low quality. The fact is consumers all around the world will vote with their wallets. If China cars are coffin wheel box, there’s nothing to be scared, right? They won’t compete at all. So why all the hoo haa?

BYD is in the market how many years? In such a short period of time, they are in top 10 selling only EVs. The only other car manufacturers that managed to do it is Tesla. BYD came later than Tesla and to achieve top 10 is not impressive? Even Tesla is using BYDs battery and that’s not an achievement?

The handphone maker might not be able to make a car as good as Mazda today but give it 5 years and let’s see. BYD already done it. You think other China car manufacturers won’t make it in the future especially after they consolidate into a few companies?

Coffin wheel box! That’s similar like how people describe Japanese cars in the 60s and 70s. Where are the Japanese today? Korean cars in the 80s are similarly called too but where is Hyundai and Kia today in global markets?

You don’t want to drive coffin wheel box, drive a Volvo lah but Volvo owned by who today? LOL!

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ May 14 2024, 01:50 PM)
Do like what they did to Huawei. Ban BYD under guise of national security. Ask all their compatriots don't sell parts and services to BYD.

Lastly, link BYD to the CCP. Mission accomplished!
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Did Warren Buffet knew this in advance...did he sell his shares?
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post May 14 2024, 06:18 PM

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Hai O sudah maju. Dulu jual ubat, sekarang bikin EV.
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QUOTE(skywardsword @ May 14 2024, 06:03 PM)
Did Warren Buffet knew this in advance...did he sell his shares?
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Not Warren, it was Charlie's idea.

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post May 14 2024, 06:38 PM

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me still wondering how on earth US & EU can decouple from China completely?

When a big country like China that can product a lot of things worldwide and with good quality comparable to same item that US or EU produce but with half the price and faster than them. Nobody can just shut the door and trade among themselves, at least not in current world.


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QUOTE(6so @ May 14 2024, 04:23 PM)
You speak as if EU and US guarantee will succumbed to China carmakers takeover. Unless you're living under a rock and don't understand the geopolitical tension going on. Ukraine war already showed they want to de-risk over reliance of a single country to check and balance their economy.

Furthermore you are talking companies that have no track records in manufacturing cars. What gives a handphone maker can make better car than Mazda? So far only BYD made it out of dozens of other China carmakers. You do know that BYD only rank #10 in global car sales.

End of the day, the market and consumer will determine the outcome. US and EU just won't bite the dangling carrot put out by CCP. They know too well how China will fuck-up the market in the long run. Look steel, solar panel, lithium battery, and God knows what other industries runs to the ground because CCP to decide to dump on the market to gain market share. They will priced out high quality with high cost while the rest fight for scrap to compete on low cost.

So you want to drive a coffin wheel box?
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Ah yes the usual Shrodinger China argument. China being both incompetent that their EVs are literally coffin tin cans and too competent that they are able to outcompete other companies. Makes sense laugh.gif
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post May 14 2024, 06:49 PM

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usa can just ban like komunis do, what fear?
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QUOTE(30624770 @ May 14 2024, 07:00 PM)
If there’s no fear, then why this type of news and reports comes out? The news are not from China. Geopolitics and decoupling! We are hearing this since Covid but how much de-risk are we seeing today? You think it’s easy to build a new supply chain from scratch? Most of the so called de-risk still depends on China in some forms. Do you think the MNCs going to abandon China market? Do you think car manufacturers like BMW, Volkswagen, Tesla, etc. going to leave China market?

What China managed to do is produce things much more cost effectively. They can make quality things much more cheaper than US and EU. Nobody today say China’s lithium batteries, solar panels, etc. low quality. The fact is consumers all around the world will vote with their wallets. If China cars are coffin wheel box, there’s nothing to be scared, right? They won’t compete at all. So why all the hoo haa?

BYD is in the market how many years? In such a short period of time, they are in top 10 selling only EVs. The only other car manufacturers that managed to do it is Tesla. BYD came later than Tesla and to achieve top 10 is not impressive? Even Tesla is using BYDs battery and that’s not an achievement?

The handphone maker might not be able to make a car as good as Mazda today but give it 5 years and let’s see. BYD already done it. You think other China car manufacturers won’t make it in the future especially after they consolidate into a few companies?

Coffin wheel box! That’s similar like how people describe Japanese cars in the 60s and 70s. Where are the Japanese today? Korean cars in the 80s are similarly called too but where is Hyundai and Kia today in global markets?

You don’t want to drive coffin wheel box, drive a Volvo lah but Volvo owned by who today? LOL!
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Jeng,jeng,jeng....again CCP asswipe has spoken. Why Volvo? There's Toyota, Ford, Honda, Mazda, and others that sold more cars than BYD lorr! None of the CCP EVs outsold or better make than Tesla.

Brah....CCP has more than 2 decades to catch up on automotive industry. Yet it's a battery maker that made it. It's the monopoly of lithium ion battery and CCP subsidy that cause the current overcapacity of CCP EV vehicles.




Howlah??!
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QUOTE(6so @ May 14 2024, 06:52 PM)
Jeng,jeng,jeng....again CCP asswipe has spoken. Why Volvo? There's Toyota, Ford, Honda, Mazda, and others that sold more cars than BYD lorr! None of the CCP EVs outsold or better make than Tesla.

Brah....CCP has more than 2 decades to catch up on automotive industry. Yet it's a battery maker that made it. It's the monopoly of lithium ion battery and CCP subsidy that cause the current overcapacity of CCP EV vehicles.
Howlah??!
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Because the funny thing is, that when China automaker are trying to catch up, everyone else does not suddenly stop for them. Taikor Xi knows this, that’s why he investing so heavily in green tech, where everyone is starting from scratch, or at least not like ICE where other countries have 50 years extra experience
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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ May 14 2024, 01:37 PM)
Same fears when jap imports came. Repeat again.
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the 90's all over again

white folks jelly over Jap engines, mandated lots of shit with emissions restrictions bla bla bla

we lost the golden era of RX7, Supra, NSX, Evo etc.

now the white folks thinking how to save their shitshow
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post May 14 2024, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(6so @ May 14 2024, 07:52 PM)
Jeng,jeng,jeng....again CCP asswipe has spoken. Why Volvo? There's Toyota, Ford, Honda, Mazda, and others that sold more cars than BYD lorr! None of the CCP EVs outsold or better make than Tesla.

Brah....CCP has more than 2 decades to catch up on automotive industry. Yet it's a battery maker that made it. It's the monopoly of lithium ion battery and CCP subsidy that cause the current overcapacity of CCP EV vehicles.
Howlah??!
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Why Volvo? You dont know the reputation of Volvo kah or your knowledge is only Japanese cars?

Of course they sell more as they have been in motor biz longer. Toyota has been making cars since when? BYD history not even a decade. For your info, BYD sales is higher than Tesla as they make hybrid vehicles as well. Even Geely and Changan have higher sales than Tesla.

https://www.carlogos.org/reviews/worlds-top...automakers.html

Why none of the China EV car companies sales of EV is not higher than Tesla? Can China EV be sold in US? Thats the whole point of the video and people like you dont even understand what the video is about. LOL!

AMDK cocksuckers like you always say China subsidise but why EU and US cant subsidise and sell their cars cheaper? You so happy buying expensive cars? CCP subsidy dont benefit other EV makers? You ask Elon Musk lah what he get from China.

How can a battery maker transit to become one of the best EV makers in the world while keeping the cost down. You open US market to BYD and give Tesla real competion lah. For now Tesla got the advantage as they can sale their cars in China and US.
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QUOTE(Police4896 @ May 14 2024, 07:56 PM)
Because the funny thing is, that when China automaker are trying to catch up, everyone else does not suddenly stop for them. Taikor Xi knows this, that’s why he investing so heavily in green tech, where everyone is starting from scratch, or at least not like ICE where other countries have 50 years extra experience
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EV everyone start from scratch and thats why Tesla become the most prominent brand. Its a new tech and everyone is at level playing field. Toyota was the one who started the trend of going green with their hybrid Prius but they are being left behind on EV. ICE cars still dominates today but in a few decades time, do you think EV will not be dominating? Thats why US and EU are so worried about China EVs as they arevin the exact position like Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s.
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post May 14 2024, 11:10 PM

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my my... the chap only had good reviews on the car....

of course with the usual complain about cheap labor and relaxed environmental standards which allowed such competitiveness.

50K rm car in malaysia????
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post May 14 2024, 11:13 PM

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I think TS you have English comprehension problem.

Knock off = copy or imitation

BYD copy who now?
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 14 2024, 11:13 PM)
I think TS you have English comprehension problem.

Knock off = copy or imitation

BYD copy who now?
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Your sarcasm meter rosak?
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post May 15 2024, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ May 14 2024, 11:00 PM)
EV everyone start from scratch and thats why Tesla become the most prominent brand. Its a new tech and everyone is at level playing field. Toyota was the one who started the trend of going green with their hybrid Prius but they are being left behind on EV. ICE cars still dominates today but in a few decades time, do you think EV will not be dominating? Thats why US and EU are so worried about China EVs as they arevin the exact position like Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s.
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EV dominate fuiyoh. Yup dominate it will in the future with more catastrophic fires like Luton car park fire. Bloody hell fire so strong sampai the floor also can collapsed. Can't wait for more sohais to die.

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