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TSMeimei14
post May 1 2024, 11:25 PM, updated 2y ago

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Hi all,

My probation is 6 months. A couple of weeks before month 6th, I was informed that my probation will be extended due to some of my unclear working methods,even though I managed to complete all required tasks.
The probation will be extended for 3 months First 2 months are used to gauge my improvement and 3rd month is to decide if I got to stay or not.

Went through the Performance Improvement Plan (PIP). On 2nd month, was informed that I didnt passed all the criteria in the PIP. Even though I tried to explain the reason behind it (did all my due deligence and the result didnt turn out as required in the PIP) the hiring manager did not accept them.

Hence, I'm given 2 options
1. To continue witht the PIP, which the manager foresee that I won't achieved any significant results for the following month.
2. Opt for change to other dept, that he will try to ask around.

I'm definitely opting for 2nd option and HR is still waiting for my respond.

My question is
1. Will I be able to negotiate for a severance pay (some money to cover my expenses as I would need time to get a new job) from the company if they wish to terminate by end of 3rd month?

2. If by 3rd month, there is no intake from other dept,Should I hand in my own resignation letter,instead of them terminating me? I'm afraid the termination will affect my future interview if they found out i ws terminated due to non performing when do cross checking with HR.

Please advise me..
Satori 14118a
post May 2 2024, 12:12 AM

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Seems that they're planning to let you go.

Best to start looking for work opportunity elsewhere.
TaylorS8
post May 2 2024, 12:35 AM

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They will PIP 2.0, PIP 3.0, PIP 4.0.........
They r playing many games with u. U r underdog in this situation. Even though if u can pass PIP 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 very well.
Faster find a job.
It is better u tender than being terminated.

This post has been edited by TaylorS8: May 2 2024, 12:36 AM
hksgmy
post May 2 2024, 02:04 AM

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Time to make new plans TS. This does not look good for you imho
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post May 2 2024, 07:36 AM

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Its crystal clear now that you and the company are not a good match.
You need to throw in the towel and find something else which meets your skills, interests and personality at best.
Good luck mate.

TSMeimei14
post May 2 2024, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(TaylorS8 @ May 2 2024, 12:35 AM)
They will PIP 2.0,  PIP 3.0, PIP 4.0.........
They r playing many games with u. U r underdog in this situation. Even though if u can pass PIP 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 very well.
Faster find a job.
It is better u tender than being terminated.
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Yes. I'm looking for jobs ready since the beginning of my PIP.

Means better for me to resign,instead of wait for then to tell me to go instead?
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post May 2 2024, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(Meimei14 @ May 2 2024, 12:25 PM)
Yes. I'm looking for jobs ready since the beginning of my PIP.

Means better for me to resign,instead of wait for then to tell me to go instead?
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Yes, IMHO that’s probably the wiser move. You can control the narrative with your resignation. A bit harder if you’re let go or worse, sacked…
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post May 2 2024, 07:26 PM

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Agree with others tat say they will keep on PIPing u, until you leave yourself.

Either u wear thick face and play the game with them (which imho is wasting your time and energy) or go find another place to grow your career.

And no they would not let u go as they do not seem to have a solid justification to do tat.
Most probably your work performance is good just tat u got backstabbed by office politics tats why.....

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: May 2 2024, 07:31 PM
lock_82
post May 3 2024, 11:34 AM

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Keep searching for job and must avoid termination as it will be bad for your record. Rest doesnt matter anymore.
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post May 3 2024, 02:43 PM

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not sure how close you are with your current boss... just be honest with her that you will continue to work here till you get another job. give her / him a estimation time of 3 months. seek her / his permission to operate like this. it is a win win for both side...
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post May 8 2024, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(Meimei14 @ May 1 2024, 11:25 PM)

My question is
1. Will I be able to negotiate for a severance pay (some money to cover my expenses as I would need time to get a new job) from the company if they wish to terminate by end of 3rd month?

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Once you are in PIP, they already have the reason to terminate you without any severance pay because you are deemed as a non-performer. They will have all evidences showing which things you did not achieve, etc.
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post May 9 2024, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(williamjr @ May 8 2024, 08:43 AM)
Once you are in PIP, they already have the reason to terminate you without any severance pay because you are deemed as a non-performer. They will have all evidences showing which things you did not achieve, etc.
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If you meet your KPI, it is debatable case then again, why go thru those trouble unless you are in Company for decade. Company will likely start to create 'evidence' to show you are non performer e.g. give you task that you wont be able to complete, issue letter to state the performance issues.
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post May 9 2024, 10:12 AM

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There's nothing else you can do.
Have some dignity for yourself, forgive yourself, swallow the bitter pills and learn to move on (by finding new job).
hksgmy
post May 9 2024, 06:13 PM

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So, after all this, any outcome? What's your decision, TS?
TSMeimei14
post May 10 2024, 11:02 PM

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Thanks guys for your reply.

At the moment,I'm applying jobs and sending out resumes. My boss didn't inform me when will be my last date. He never mentioned if I'm required to do hand-over of my current job to other people.

My teammates are puzzled too. For me, another working day is a day with salary.

I wish to leave too and to start anew again at a new place. Was never put under PIP in my 10+yrs of working life. But I need the money for expenses. Until my boss /HR inform me of my last working day, I will continue to work until I get an offer.🥲
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post May 11 2024, 02:25 AM

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QUOTE(Meimei14 @ May 10 2024, 11:02 PM)
Thanks guys for your reply.

At the moment,I'm applying jobs and sending out resumes. My boss didn't inform me when will be my last date. He never mentioned if I'm required to do hand-over of my current job to other people.

My teammates are puzzled too. For me, another working day is a day with salary.

I wish to leave too and to start anew again at a new place. Was never put under PIP in my 10+yrs of working life. But I need the money for expenses. Until my boss /HR inform me of my last working day, I will continue to work until I get an offer.🥲
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That’s a positive working attitude. I wish you all the best in your job search and new career
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post May 14 2024, 02:30 AM

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Just get the vss or mss !!!
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post May 14 2024, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(Meimei14 @ May 1 2024, 11:25 PM)
Hi all,

My probation is 6 months. A couple of weeks before month 6th, I was informed that my probation will be extended due to some of my unclear working methods,even though I managed to complete all required tasks.
The probation will be extended for 3 months First 2 months are used to gauge my improvement and 3rd month is to decide if I got to stay or not.

Went through the Performance Improvement Plan (PIP). On 2nd month, was informed that I didnt passed all the criteria in the PIP. Even though I tried to explain the reason behind it (did all my due deligence and the result didnt turn out as required in the PIP) the hiring manager did not accept them.

Hence, I'm given 2 options
1. To continue witht the PIP, which the manager foresee that  I won't achieved any significant results for the following month.
2. Opt for change to other dept, that he will try to ask around.

I'm definitely opting for 2nd option and HR is still waiting for my respond.

My question is
1. Will I be able to negotiate for a severance pay (some money to cover my expenses as I would need time to get a new job) from the company if they wish to terminate by end of 3rd month?

2. If by 3rd month, there is no intake from other dept,Should I hand in my own resignation letter,instead of them terminating me? I'm afraid the termination will affect my future interview if they found out i ws terminated due to non performing when do cross checking with HR.

Please advise me..
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severance pay is one for one year service. Even if you get the severance pay you are likely to get 1/2 month pay for 6 month tenure. Also it's very unlikely that will happen. During probation there is normally the clause saying either party can terminate employment by giving how many days of service. Go check your employment contract

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post May 14 2024, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(lock_82 @ May 3 2024, 11:34 AM)
Keep searching for job and must avoid termination as it will be bad for your record.  Rest doesnt matter anymore.
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Termination = rehire eligibility = no. When people do background they will ask ask n if the answer is no. It's a big red flag
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post May 14 2024, 04:22 PM

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Failed PIP can still transfer to another dept?

I never heard of such thing

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