i full disagree Malaysia is more democratic than Singapore

Workers right Singapore?

Kek

Lu tak suka lu keluar...... our menteri

This post has been edited by Helpmeplis: May 1 2024, 02:32 PM

Religious & Racist... You know already.

Malaysia is the 40th in Democracy Index
and the highest of any country in South East Asia,
and ranked 6th in Asia.

Singapore is in 69th place,
below Filipina, Timor Leste, Indonesia and Thailand.

Kalau nak jilat,
Singapura berak taik pun kau sanggup jilat

INB4 3.5

Doesn't LKY pushed hard on disbanding worker's union back then?

as if Singapore does not have any,
look at the big churches
and how they impacted the current policies in SG.

And they are the most racist people in SE Asia,
or if corrected, they are more classism than racism,
but still looks down on people with darker skins than them.

songlap and donation - malaysia > singapore

We changed govt via the poll and also through MPs exercising their right. Both is permissible under the system. No one died nothing collapsed

If thay isn't a barometer for our democratic system don't know what else is

cronyism ranking mana????

But still thousands of Malaysian queue at 4am every morning to masuk Singapore.

Low taxes - Malaysia? I tot MY taxes > Sg taxes

u probably never heard of money laundering eh?

No,
it is not the hantar dobi to wash the cili sos off your
RM100 notes kinda dobi.

Sini hangs boleh jilat sg

Because they can stay in Malaysia and earn Singapore's wages
Itu pun budak kecik pun tahu sebab nya
tak payah nak jilat sangat

On the other hand,
millions of other Asians are working inside our country,
leaving their wife and children back home.

Just a handful of Malaysian will do this in Singapura,
they will either commute or bring their family instead
of leaving their families to only go back once a year like
these immigrants. (Yes, Indon is just a stone throw away)

But why want to go to dictator communist hellhole like singapore. Even if beat my mother burn my first born also I won't go Singapore work. Really malu jual badan work for Lee Kuan Ewwww family.

Why racism tied ah? Singaporean very racist? Always Prince here Prince there meh?

People dont go there for RM3.5, look at Brunei,
how many people from Miri or Limbang commute there to work?
I used to worked for 2 years, 5km from Brunei's border.

The main reason why people go to Singapore is
to work in their own culture bubble they are comfortable with.

1.1, 1.8, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5 and soon 4 .. money wins .. sell body sell soul..

Democracy is useless when majority are stupid.

Also what freedom of speech. U try talk about 3R and see

Democracy malaysia

Hahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahaa jangan seisohai

👀🤭🍟🍷🍿😂

Any country that has institutionalized racism will automatically be more racist than countries that don't

Singapore have more racial and religious riots than Malaysia or Malaya.
Against Muslim, Indians, Catholics and other minority Chinese groups.
The most recent ones is on 2013 which injures 60 people.
The deadliest one was 480 killed with Catholic Chinese.

Those policies is to prevent the 2 of the main ethnic from killing each other,

Singapore have more incidents than Malaysia
that injures and killed its citizen since it's establishment.

This post has been edited by seriosekitt3h: May 1 2024, 03:12 PM

Mind sharing the news? I'm curious .. haha ..

google "Riot in Singapore" and look at the Wiki list

This post has been edited by seriosekitt3h: May 1 2024, 03:15 PM

Of course it's about money. People who always cry about capitalism and complain about communist are so hypocritical when ada wang takda prinsip!!

The one happened in 2013 is due to accident rather than your so called proclaimed "race" riot.

On the other hand, I couldn't find any on the Catholic Chinese.

Perhaps, I'm just bad a googling. Please share .. hehe

Working in Malaysia is better for work - life balance
compared to Singapore.

By the time you get old and with money, you will regret the time not spending with your family.

You will not see how your children grow, they will abandon you once they get married and have kids
you will regret not spending enough time with your parents or siblings before they die,
you will regret not making enough friends when you retires, being sad and lonely at home
you will get so used to work, that you decided to work some more after retirement due to boredom.

No amount of money can replace the above

This SG should be much worse. All the Lee family control there

SOS

- 15 – 20 February 1851 - Anti-Catholic riots (1851) Anti-Teochew Catholic riots (500 dead (Teochews))
- 5 – 17 May 1854 - Hokkien-Teochew riots (200-480 dead, 222 injured)

If we don't control the reasons for discontent between races in Malaysia,
anything from a simple road accidents to land trespassing will incite a racial altercations.

Remember the incident with Hindu temple and the bomba guy?

if we failed this part long time sanctions from US/EU sectors

we put up a good show every 5 years for compliance sake, still manage to see the big giant get crushed in the end

LKY wrote in his memoirs PaP will lose its pristine position sooner or later

Dei .. during the 19th century, Singapore is not even a country yet. Please cite a recent case to support your point. I was really hoping to see the racial tension in singapore comparing it to malaysia.

Yes I agree, but do you see it transcend beyond that? No, right?

But in malaysia we are hearing strong echos everyday coming out from politicians, without repercussions. So, do they do it in singapore? Hence, the tie, certainly does not do justice to how Singapore as a country in term of that.

Malaysia tension already at breaking point liao. So scary and dangerous I feel.

Some area in Selangor if I enter I will being few people together and make sure to plan early my escape route. Some area we bring some sort of umbrella or walking stick in case shit happens.

Some area we don't even dare to step foot in, sometimes have to take longer distance just to avoid pass through.

Read again my comment below

Singapore was a British settlement the same as Malaya,
hence that is why I make the comparison.

You can see the same racial incidents with Chinese and other local ethnics in major settlements in SE Asia.
It is all caused by the wealth disparity between them,
while being affected by "divide and conquer" tactics from the colonizer.

In Batavia or Jakarta, Indonesia,
up to 10,000 Chinese descent was killed by the Dutch,
then more after the war and it spilled again right back on 1998 race riots.

This post has been edited by seriosekitt3h: May 1 2024, 03:42 PM

Work-life balance really depends on your job and how you manage your time, not just where you live. Some folks might find it chiller in Malaysia, others might vibe better with Singapore's pace. The rest is all about making time for family, friends, and fun no matter where you are.

In short, working & living in SG, doesn't mean you'll be deprive of any of these. Similarly, working in MY, doesn't mean you'll enjoy any of these.

All I agree except for low taxes. Singapore has lower income tax compared to Malaysia. I know because I'm in that situation now...

Politicians are playing issues to garner votes for their parties.
You must understand which party stand for which set of people.

All parties in Malaysia are conservative populist,
PAS - Muslim
UMNO - Malay
Bersatu - Rural Malay
GPS - Sarawakian
DAP - Non Malay

Singapore only have PAP which basically ruled with an iron fist and
quickly ISAed the opposition by any means necessary.

Agong is what we need for check and balance (SG has the president),
hence most of the overboard racial/religious issue will be silenced by the state's sultan or the country's King.
Anyone who failed to adhere will be labeled derhaka.

Akmal was silenced by the Agong,
he did his part for the party,
his role was to be the instigator.
where politics will reward loyalty, handsomely.

You can bet that Akmal will rise up in ranks not so far in the future.
You can see similar things to Zahid (he was Youth Leader UMNO who being the scapegoat for Anwar Reformasi)
and Abang Jo (He was the butt of a joke in the local newspaper in late 80s)

When you are not loyal and refuse to play a role, you will be like KJ.

Ignore that guy. Singapore is racially stable compared to Malaysia. Period

1:3.5 and beyond

Close thread

I was referring to my earlier conversation with people who commutes

Of course if you have family at your home,
you will have more time compare to the commuters who wakes up early and go back late,
and doing that for 30 years just to get extra money from the currency exchange

Prove it.
Then why the list of riots are so long compared to Malaysia?

Once accident can cause a riot in Singapore, in Malaysia,
people can be more understandable for the situation

Try being a brown person walking in Singapore,
I got cursed more there than walking in the streets of Sydney or Madrid.

This post has been edited by seriosekitt3h: May 1 2024, 03:59 PM

Digging the bottom of the barrel to prove his point. Policies are like so different but still want to compare

Since it became a country, there has been no racial riots among its citizens.

And it does not matter the purpose of the policy, racist country is racist country. The racial tensions can be resolved thru non-racist methods but racist will surely choose racist method.

Biasalah that /k resident mental patient.
Everyday talk cock i kenal this menteri or went sampai north pole already.
As they said. Orang gila jangan dilayan.

Why do I need to prove it? The one that claim Singapore got racial issue is the one that need to proof their case

My only rebuttal is that 2013 Little India riot is done by drunkard Indians from India, nothing to do with local Indians...after that I've never heard of resentment towards Singaporean Indians. If Malaysian Indians go there with B40 attitude like the India Indians...not just locals but anyone will look down upon them

It’s obvious there are some here that have a bone to pick with Singapore and its success.

No need to try to convince them or change their minds.

Correct

You see thailand

They change government got riot and killing military coup

Remember when bangkok was in chaos

Malaysia never have such nonsense

First world vs 3rd world

1 SGD > 3 MYR



Nothing to compare

Here only 🍊 as PM, nuff said

Thailand has more political riots

Because you have nothing

Indonesia has more

Singapore is much safer period

holiday also all work so hard one ah

Kek. Orang gila sudah mari.
No tag nama pun sendiri mengaku gila ini.

Singapore have 2 racial riots between locals (1964 and 1969) and one racial riot between foreigners (2013).
Malaysia only have one (1969).

Stop lying.

Even so, declaring Singapore as country on 1965,
they have equal amount race riot (1 in 1969) amongst its citizen
just like Malaysia had.

Ok

i have a bingo card i've collected since 2005 that you can use

- racist policy
- taliban
- 3.5
- ad hominem remarks
- you're racist
- i can migrate
- my children can migrate
- you're stupid
- SJKC
- Moo and Penyu
- PuAS
- B40
- ignore that fella
- no tag mention

This post has been edited by seriosekitt3h: May 1 2024, 04:39 PM

From the wiki you quoted



And yes, we should only consider after Singapore was established as a country which dictated its own policies and governance. This is the effectiveness of their governance that prevented racial hostilities.

And if you wanna compare to Malaysia, stop lying, here's the list of riots





So YOU stop lying

Freedom of Speech. Malaysia
Hahaha....According to the government, former attorney general Tan Sri Tommy Thomas's book titled My Story: Justice in the Wilderness has 19 key issues that warrant "further attention".
Malaysiakini found guilty, fined RM500,000, over readers’ comments left on their website. Then there are individuals charged with abuse of power for millions and billions who are walking free.
Crackhouse Comedy Club closed down.
Jocelyn Chia an American did a show in America and caused a fit here.
So much for freedom of speech....hehe..

Buying Power. Singapore

Affordable property. Malaysia
Affordable to who?? With the "strength" of the ringgit, we can't afford anything these days. Haha…92% of Singaporeans own their homes, 72% of Malaysians own their homes.)

Security. Singapore

Low taxes. Malaysia
Malaysia income tax: 0-30%, Singapore income tax: 0-22%. enuff said.

Workers rights. Singapore

Democracy. Malaysia
They vote, we vote. we have numerous corrupt politicians every election. And some are outright fighting for one race and one religion only. US came up with Donald Trump. UK shot their own foot by leaving the EU. Netherlands and Sweden have far-right parties which are xenophobic and racist. I’ll take SG anytime.

Public Transportation. Singapore

Personal transportation. Malaysia
What’s personal transportation? Car ownership?? Bicycles? COE is based on quota…SG car demand is high, which leads to very high COE in recent months there.
We are forced to buy cars because public transportation is in a mess, then forced to sit in cars for hours on end because of endless congestion. every 24 seconds, one person dies on the road. The economy and the environment suffers due to lost man-hours, and the amount of emissions from fuel consumption.

Racism and Ignorance. Tied
Hahaha…bumiputra rights already place one race above others in the constitution!

This post has been edited by J2001k2: May 1 2024, 05:06 PM

Yeah another wrong point, author didnt hear about akta sakit hati which basically eliminates any claim of freedom of speech in malaysia?

We should have other measurements that allow Malaysia to "win" Singapore.
Law and order: Malaysia (cos we can solve crimes real fast)
Assasination in KLIA. Victim does, murderers walk free because they were participating in gameshow.
Shaariibuugiin Altantuyaa Mongolian model bombed, elite bodyguards found guilty quickly.


Bribery/Corruption: Malaysia (cos we are just better)
from top to bottom, from politicians to civil servants to businessmen

Healthcare: Malaysia
Cos healthcare is cheaper in Malaysia than Singapore when all costs converted to USD. (Quality not included.)

Mobility of Skilled Talent: Malaysia
1.86 million of us already migrated overseas.
350,000 of us cross Causeway to work elsewhere.
Our skills are valued everywhere.

"Ease" of university admission.
Hey, We have more than 100 public and private universities here....Singapore has so few. (Quality not included)

This post has been edited by J2001k2: May 1 2024, 05:04 PM

Crutches : malaysia

You believed this WIKI post when the latter part said the Bangla-Indian incident in Little India was
a spillover from Malaysia?
Yeah right.
Shifting their own racial instability to Malaysian.

I know you will use the 2018 incident where I had already mentioned in this thread.
It was a riot between developers and temple supporters.
The developers uses Malay gangs as protection for this case.

It is not Malay vs India that causes the riot.

Who are the developers exactly?
One City Development Sdn. Bhd
No need to dig deep, I already can assume who owns it.

Next is the Buah Pala village in Penang, northern Malaysia, Thursday, Aug. 13, 2009,
same thing here.
Indian protesting for demolition of temple and the government.
Are they clashing with the Malays or
are they clashing with the riot police?

Read here below!


Next is 2001 Kampung Rawa Riot



No one got badly hurt or dead, some kids throwing rocks that incites this mass gathering.

Now the question is, who is the TPM back then who can't control his area?
He had to turun padang to clean up his mess.
Now, look at the KKMART issue, same person.

It is Anwar Ibrahim.

+99999999
some ppl dont know differenciate democracy vs spewing nonsense inciting statements

Yada yada yada, so much bottom barrel fishing on the SG end but so much plotek on malaysia end. Basically you are full of shit when you say that SG has more racial riots than Malaysia.

Do tell which affirmative action policy for the majority they have in Singapore. Tell me at least five, if you can find one also good.

I already proven mine and refuted your points.
All you can do is menyalak (yada yada yada) like a dog to a hill.

I am a Malaysian citizen.
I did whatever my country needs me too, unlike you.

You're just a social parasite that eat, get fat and leave when it is no more to feed.
Maybe it is your time to be an immigrant
and be another pendatang in Singapore.

Mind blown
Thanks ts

Malaysia is just as democratic as Japan

your one person's biased interpretation =/= proof. Bodoh. Most interpretation are that they are racial, therefore AI also classifies it as racial. Your cases of 'racial riots' in SG wasnt even classified as racial. pathetic la.
We are all malaysian citizens but not all of us are racist scum protecting institutionalized racist policies who just likes to repeat 'kalau tak suka, keluar'. Thought you;d be more original than that, but that is really expecting too much from a bottom-barrel fisher.

Affirmative action is a loose term but it is more on oppressing non English speaking Chinese minorities,

1. HDB Ethnic Integration Policy (1989)
2. Singapore Permanent Resident (SPR) Quota (it excludes Malaysian)
3. Unwritten rule of discrimination of Malays in the armed forces (historically proven)
4. Critical Race Theory/Eugenics mindset by LKY in making his policies

Having own private transport is much better quality of life than shared public transport
No matter how good public transport is you still have to stand in crowd train

It’s like biz class vs economy seat
The privacy of driving a myvi still much better than sit in MRT

Imagine sharing your home with other public

That’s not a high standard of living

Having a family and using public transport is just bad quality of living

This post has been edited by Raddus: May 1 2024, 05:42 PM

again, ad hominem yada yada

I have carefully selected the riots based on race/religion
and left out the others from our discussion
like the workers union or vernacular school ones.

You are not that smart, aren't you?

You believe Singapore media saying it was not racially motivated riot for Little India,
it was an OPSEC to calm the racial tension down in social media.
Look up their press freedom index for god's sake.

All I can say is, Singapore is safe, efficient but expensive to stay. HDB is really expensive nowadays, with those rich PRs (PRCs to be specific) buying them at millions.

In malaysia, I feel poor working as my job does not pay me the right amount, well I would say I'm under appreciated as a researcher in malaysia. Safety? Crime-wise, I was always wary of being ambushed by thieves, had once that someone broke my windshield just to take my mums handbag. Racial, I was taunted by Princes several times, as I live in an area filled with them. I have a house, and a car but to get to work, even a simple 10 mins drive could take me an hour to reach during peak hours. Oh well.

Living in both countries, I could judge the difference. I was once thinking to be loyal to my own country, but I was sold after years in singapore. Lol .. they always say do not bite the master who feed you. To me, I felt I was oppressed in my own country, but appreciated by others. How do you expect talents to not leave malaysia?

Ooohhh, suddenly it's a loose term.

Which policy in (1) that is oppressive? Against who?

The rest is really taken out from your ass, as those aren't even against their own citizen, or used anecdotes rather than actual proven facts.

Freedom of Speech. Malaysia
Low taxes. Malaysia
Democracy. Malaysia
Racism and Ignorance. Tied

All above wrong tho. which idiot writes that?

This post has been edited by bristlebb: May 1 2024, 05:54 PM

Policy is oppressive because it should be given free for all, shouldn't have a ratio based on race, that is very unfair! Just like here .. we need 51% bumi for every business!

But, the rest of the things he stated, may be true, Singapore will never have other race to be PM. Oh wait, even in malaysia no other race will be PM, at least in singapore they wayang to have president of different races. How about malaysia? When can we have someone to wayang at the top ah?

In making SG looks worse when it comes to affirmative action, he actually made SG look better. For this part specifically, I'd disagree with you that he may have stated some truth.

For 2) MM2H nowadays isn't any better when it comes to attracting expats.

3) We know why there are low percentage of nons in our army/AF/navy. We are not better in this front.

4) Eugenics related policies are stopped once LKY realised he fucked up as birth rate declines. When he did realise, subsequent policies didn't help in boosting overall population growth rate. It doesn't even specifically targets a race.

This post has been edited by delon85: May 1 2024, 06:01 PM

If it's not democratic you won't see Bapa b40 pleasing the b40s already

the first 2 are affirmative actions, the last 2 are unwritten rule for discrimination policies

I leave it to you to filter out Singaporeans here pretending to be Malaysian,
I did my part here.

going out for dinner.
Below is proof that I did what I'm doing now,
before any fucktard says I'm chickening out

U try kutuk pap or their pm there and see what will happen. Here only royalty you shouldn't kutuk (since there are specific laws for that). You should have heard incidents whereby those who did get sued till bankruptcy.

For 3) nons in army here can even become general. There?