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post Apr 13 2024, 07:43 PM

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Does chest freezer use less energy compared to normal one?
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post Apr 13 2024, 08:05 PM

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No need spend so much on CAPEX.

Register with tnb or gentari lease your roof to them for solar installation and maintenance.

20 years warranty iinm. They will give you 20% or more discount on your monthly bill.

You only need to pay rm1-2k deposit to start.

boy96 anak megah holding will clarify more for you
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post Apr 13 2024, 09:24 PM

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wasn't expecting so many replies.
thanks a lot everyone for the feedback.

QUOTE(sparketh @ Apr 13 2024, 08:21 AM)
One thing about dolar panels, the technology is  improving.  My fren ordered a 300w solar panel system during mco time. So couldn't instal. Then 9 months later when installed, the installer said 300 panels dropped price edi cos 350watt panels are out so he got a free upgrade to 350.  So u may want to wait tioo u get ur car since ur car sounds like its going to take a lot of kW.  Alao always choose micro inverters for best efficiencies
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tq. noted.
the RM1k rebate might get snatched up before end of 2024. probably can't wait that long.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 13 2024, 08:35 AM)
Here lies your problem bro,

Your current bill usage doesn't justify the cost of installing solar panels. IMHO bills above 300myr constantly justify dropping money on it. That said if you are buying an EV, you may wait for it to come first. Use it for a month then see how your bill increases.

Since time isn't on your side with the 4k subsidy from TNB, may I suggest if you could ask your friend to charge his car at your house and see how ur bill increases? Even with myr 100. A 250 myr monthly bill Macam tak berbaloi la in my honest opinion
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a friend has the dolphin. but IINM i won't be able to charge it from the normal 3 prong plug?
we need that special wall box to charge an EV right?

QUOTE(dickybird @ Apr 13 2024, 08:41 AM)
Spend the money planting trees around your compound is better
Your bill is too low even with 2 EV.
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lots of trees already.
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entire compound is now surrounded by trees. and the rear of the house is surrounded by green paddy field.
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post Apr 13 2024, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Apr 13 2024, 08:50 AM)
Wait after you getting your EV first then baru think about solar
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can't wait that long.
that Skim Insentif Solar Rakyat rebate will be snatched up before i get an EV.

waiting for gov to announce the new EV roadtax scheme. if they slap RM3k for 500bhp EV roadtax mampos.

QUOTE(Reality740716 @ Apr 13 2024, 09:13 AM)
My bill also sky rocketing ever since changed to smart parking thing . Parking T&B
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can clarify what is smart parking? i don't understand.

QUOTE(SuperTuhan @ Apr 13 2024, 09:20 AM)
So bloody fucking cheap

mine one big fridge, one small fridge
6 airconds at least one of it running all the time whole day 24 hours
no ev cars
daily use electric cloth dryer

bill average RM1300 per month
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you go buy a FLIR/thermal camera and see if there's any hotspot or cold air leak from the room.
also good to insulate the entire roof to reduce heat from the rooftop.


QUOTE(accordvtec @ Apr 13 2024, 09:33 AM)
u sure your meter is not tampered?
my house is smaller, 3 airconds every night, 2 fridge 1 chest freezer cost me around 700-1k+
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not tempered in any way.
it's the new TNB smart meter i think.

i did the entire wiring myself so no it's not modded in any way.
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post Apr 13 2024, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 13 2024, 09:44 AM)
RM150 monthly bill many solar installers advise to do ENERGY SAVING. Not solar. I got that advise before so I ditched the idea. Solar is not the solution to your problem
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i've probably done some sort of energy saving. that's why my energy cost is low.
i don't really have a problem with the energy bill since it's low as it is.

but consider this.
if i spend RM14k for a 4kW system and get RM4k rebate.
so total spent is only RM10k to generate about 400kW of power monthly.
400kW would allow me to contra about RM150-ish a month allowing me to have RM0 TNB bill.

RM10k / RM150 = 5.6 years of ROI then i'll get to live for the other 4.4 year on free electricity.
quite a good investment, no?

QUOTE(enduser @ Apr 13 2024, 11:16 AM)
Bos, get a few quotations from solar installer,
They will survey ur house n give the detail

Can pm me for few installer contact
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thanks will PM you.

QUOTE(zuozi @ Apr 13 2024, 11:28 AM)
TS tnb bill too low my house ada 5 AC plus 2 gaming PC/2 normal PC my room Aircon definitely everyday more than 12 hour other probably few hours since old folk's afraid too cold also exceed RM 500 tnb bill monthly, last months start already exceed RM 700 because bukak and yolo only who care climate change.
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yes probably too low for a solar system.

QUOTE(lj0000 @ Apr 13 2024, 11:32 AM)
Check with tnb first if your area allow feed in.
If cannot don't bother starting calculation
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thanks. will need to check with TNB branch that handle this area.
thanks for the heads up.
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post Apr 13 2024, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 13 2024, 09:24 PM)
wasn't expecting so many replies.
thanks a lot everyone for the feedback.
tq. noted.
the RM1k rebate might get snatched up before end of 2024. probably can't wait that long.
a friend has the dolphin. but IINM i won't be able to charge it from the normal 3 prong plug?
we need that special wall box to charge an EV right?
lots of trees already.
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entire compound is now surrounded by trees. and the rear of the house is surrounded by green paddy field.
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Find the best IR rejection exterior paint in white and spray paint the roof lo.
Nice house.
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post Apr 13 2024, 09:53 PM

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To get that solaris rebate, you probably need to install at minimum 6kwp. So that your solar system will generate maybe around 3 to 4 kwac ?

So you're looking roughly around rm20k of investment for that nem system.

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post Apr 13 2024, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Apr 13 2024, 08:05 PM)
No need spend so much on CAPEX.

Register with tnb or gentari lease your roof to them for solar installation and maintenance.

20 years warranty iinm. They will give you 20% or more discount on your monthly bill.

You only need to pay rm1-2k deposit to start.

boy96 anak megah holding will clarify more for you
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Not worth it for ts

After pasang that solar lease you will need to pay over 45cents/kWh

TS current bill without solar not even hit that tier.


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post Apr 13 2024, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Seawater @ Apr 13 2024, 07:43 PM)
Does chest freezer use less energy compared to normal one?
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Yes.
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post Apr 13 2024, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Apr 13 2024, 11:34 AM)
First convert to 3 phase wiring for charging EV, will be much faster charge (x3 faster)

Later if electric bill is high enough, only consider solar.
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the house is already on 3 phase wiring.

QUOTE(haturaya @ Apr 13 2024, 11:45 AM)
The non inverter AC is the killer...  sweat.gif

Water pump - for 4 bathroom... 200W is more than enough. It's highly unlikely you'll be using all taps in all bathrooms at the same time.  sweat.gif  That's why I wrote it's over provision.

My house water pump - only 150W, for 2 bathroom with a shower, toilet, wall pipe and a sink each. All good  thumbsup.gif
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my house has 2x 0.5hp (370W) water pump.
one for the sedimentation tank and another one from the sedimentation tank to the storage tank.
from the storage tank it's gravity fed to all 5 bathroom.

no loss of pressure since there's multiple distribution pipe. all 1 inch diameter.
another energy saving design to reduce pump cycle.

QUOTE(adamw @ Apr 13 2024, 12:01 PM)
Any real picture of the rooftop?
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the roof area is built according to the drawing.
measurement from the drawing doesn't differ much.

QUOTE(dickybird @ Apr 13 2024, 12:05 PM)
Rainwater collection system and more trees is a better bet I think. As well as spraying your roof white.
I think you’ve designed and built your home intelligently hence the low power bill. Even if you do nothing, it would be very good as it is.
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the entire roof is heavily insulated with 3inch glass wool.
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beneath the glass wool there's a double woven aluminum sheet. even during hot midday sun the roof temperature is kept at around 37 degrees.

the entire roof structure is then ventilated with aluminium louvers to further reduce trapped heat.
there's already rainwater collection that i use for irrigation purpose.
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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 13 2024, 09:47 PM)
but consider this.
if i spend RM14k for a 4kW system and get RM4k rebate.
so total spent is only RM10k to generate about 400kW of power monthly.
400kW would allow me to contra about RM150-ish a month allowing me to have RM0 TNB bill.
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Are you going to apply for NEM? Or selco (off-grid)?

If selco, you can reduce your bill theoretically to RM0 because there wont be any limit in terms of solar pv capacity, but you need to get an energy storage system if you plan to continue use the energy at night.

But, if you plan to go for NEM (grid connected), the current capacity limit is 85% of your maximum demand, so you still have to pay for TNB bills.
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post Apr 13 2024, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 13 2024, 10:03 PM)
the house is already on 3 phase wiring.
my house has 2x 0.5hp (370W) water pump.
one for the sedimentation tank and another one from the sedimentation tank to the storage tank.
from the storage tank it's gravity fed to all 5 bathroom.

no loss of pressure since there's multiple distribution pipe. all 1 inch diameter.
another energy saving design to reduce pump cycle.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

the roof area is built according to the drawing.
measurement from the drawing doesn't differ much.
the entire roof is heavily insulated with 3inch glass wool.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

beneath the glass wool there's a double woven aluminum sheet. even during hot midday sun the roof temperature is kept at around 37 degrees.

the entire roof structure is then ventilated with aluminium louvers to further reduce trapped heat.
there's already rainwater collection that i use for irrigation purpose.
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Wow really well thought out
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post Apr 13 2024, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(keyibukeyi @ Apr 13 2024, 12:49 PM)
all looks good, add in intake fan and exhaust fan for better air circulation. TS forgot add in wind direction.
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there's no intake and exhaust fan anywhere in the house.
it's all natural ventilation.

general wind direction is as above.

QUOTE(dickybird @ Apr 13 2024, 01:25 PM)
Ev total cost of ownership
No oil change still need servicing”
Tyres need to change every 30k or less
Suspension also will take a beating up north and that’s why northern people buy car and use PG plates to lessens the depreciation from the perception of Northern plate cars being driven on bad roads.
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true. suspension does take a beating.
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there's a lot of these agriculture dirt road everywhere.
it's better to drive a tall SUV than a low slung sports car over here.

QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 13 2024, 01:29 PM)
If not mistaken, roof facing west and east is not optimum for solar panel.

If the whole roof install panel, morning east panel get sunlight and afternoon west panel get sunlight.

Optimum for panel is roof facing south with 15º deg slope. Sun pass left to right and whole yrs max.
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haiya.
i designed the wrong roof then.
solar is really not my forte.
i used to think solar facing the west is the best to catch the most sunshine. doh.gif

QUOTE(Boy96 @ Apr 13 2024, 01:34 PM)
Ts planning to get byd seal which only supports single phase charging
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yes the 500bhp AWD byd seal is mighty enticing.
that, or the upcoming byd sea lion SUV.

an SUV will be better for the roads that we have up here.
slap a small 15-16" rim and some thick all terrain tyres hngghhhh
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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 13 2024, 10:24 PM)
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there's no intake and exhaust fan anywhere in the house.
it's all natural ventilation.

general wind direction is as above.
true. suspension does take a beating.
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there's a lot of these agriculture dirt road everywhere.
it's better to drive a tall SUV than a low slung sports car over here.
haiya.
i designed the wrong roof then.
solar is really not my forte.
i used to think solar facing the west is the best to catch the most sunshine.  doh.gif
yes the 500bhp AWD byd seal is mighty enticing.
that, or the upcoming byd sea lion SUV.

an SUV will be better for the roads that we have up here.
slap a small 15-16" rim and some thick all terrain tyres hngghhhh
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Hailat ftw!
Ev will be the first to die in the coming apocalypse
Haven’t you seen Mad Max?!
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post Apr 13 2024, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Apr 13 2024, 09:58 PM)
Not worth it for ts

After pasang that solar lease you will need to pay over 45cents/kWh

TS current bill without solar not even hit that tier.
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Not sure about the Gentari leasing, but from TNB should be "SARE" which is only applicable to commercial & industrial not?
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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 13 2024, 10:24 PM)
haiya.
i designed the wrong roof then.
solar is really not my forte.
i used to think solar facing the west is the best to catch the most sunshine.  doh.gif
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Rule of thumb for any solar installation:

1. If you live in the northern hemisphere, your solar panels should be facing south (and vice versa).
2. Angle of the solar panels should be according to the latitude.

These two are just the starting points, actual calculations for optimal placement, angle and directions of solar panel depends on your location, surrounding trees/buildings, and many other factors.

In some areas, facing west would be the most optimal direction in certain months of the year, but in general, the panels should face south.
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post Apr 13 2024, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Apr 13 2024, 10:43 PM)
Rule of thumb for any solar installation:

1. If you live in the northern hemisphere, your solar panels should be facing south (and vice versa).
2. Angle of the solar panels should be according to the latitude.

These two are just the starting points, actual calculations for optimal placement, angle and directions of solar panel depends on your location, surrounding trees/buildings, and many other factors.

In some areas, facing west would be the most optimal direction in certain months of the year, but in general, the panels should face south.
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If I'm TS might as well set-up automated rotation support for the solar panel janji can fork out extra cash for cool tech if you get what i mean rather than measuring here and there so much hassle 😁
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Apr 13 2024, 11:33 PM)
If I'm TS might as well set-up automated rotation support for the solar panel  janji can fork out extra cash for cool tech if you get what i mean rather than measuring here and there so much hassle 😁
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While it is cool looking tech but it’s not feasible. Better stick at one position and be done with it.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 13 2024, 08:35 AM)
Here lies your problem bro,

Your current bill usage doesn't justify the cost of installing solar panels. IMHO bills above 300myr constantly justify dropping money on it. That said if you are buying an EV, you may wait for it to come first. Use it for a month then see how your bill increases.

Since time isn't on your side with the 4k subsidy from TNB, may I suggest if you could ask your friend to charge his car at your house and see how ur bill increases? Even with myr 100. A 250 myr monthly bill Macam tak berbaloi la in my honest opinion
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there are people who only turn on higher consuming electronics like aircond for 2-3 hours a night before sleep..

with solar installed, they don't really have to be so "stingy" on the usage of electronics already.

e.g. PC can on 24/7, get EV, longer hours of air-conditioning on daily basis.
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Apr 13 2024, 10:05 PM)
Are you going to apply for NEM? Or selco (off-grid)?

If selco, you can reduce your bill theoretically to RM0 because there wont be any limit in terms of solar pv capacity, but you need to get an energy storage system if you plan to continue use the energy at night.

But, if you plan to go for NEM (grid connected), the current capacity limit is 85% of your maximum demand, so you still have to pay for TNB bills.
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Actually, not enforced minimum rm 10 TNB if generation exceeds consumption.

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