Yes the baby has a right to live outside the body. So the baby can fuck right off, aborted outside. Go breathe eat on its own.

The baby has no right to live in another person's body

I ask you again, if I force you to donate your liver kidney to me will you be okay? I have the right to live too.

Men arguing on how women should manage their own body 

The only things that should be considered when it comes to abortion is the person carrying that clump of cells - her health, mental health, wants, needs, desires and believes.

Everything else is irrelevant. It is not a baby until it is born.

Not everyone wants to be born. Not everyone should have kids. Especially if they themselves know they do not want kids. What good will it do to give birth to a baby that has parents who are only parents because they were forced to, and not because they want to. Google 'regretful parents' and look at all those stories.

you are arguing from false equivalence. the transaction of a feotus and a mother is different from the transaction of a kidney and 2 adults.

just the fact that the baby has no choice in the matter should tell you that the 2 situations are not comparable.

that's such a flawed assessment. the creature already moves, kicks, smiles, and recognises their parent's voices well before they are out of the womb. so you are taking the stance that they have no rights until the moment they leave the birth canal? that's such an arbitrary determination and doesn't reflect what the baby/fetus/creature is and how it grows.

The baby has a choice to live outside on its own breathe on its own eat on its own. It has no right to live inside another person.

It doesn't matter. What matters is what the women wants.

That creature might not even survive when it comes out. I would say until it takes it first breathe, then it's a human.

it does not have a choice. a newborn is useless and helpless. it doesn’t even know it has fingers.

A newborn is not a fetus. A newborn can breathe can cry can suck on tits. A fetus can't do all that.

We are talking about fetuses.

I’ll just change the word to fetus. does that functionally change my point? it’s still useless and helpless. it has no choice.

Men arguing on how women should manage their own body 

The only things that should be considered when it comes to abortion is the person carrying that clump of cells - her health, mental health, wants, needs, desires and believes.

Everything else is irrelevant. It is not a baby until it is born.

Not everyone wants to be born. Not everyone should have kids. Especially if they themselves know they do not want kids. What good will it do to give birth to a baby that has parents who are only parents because they were forced to, and not because they want to. Google 'regretful parents' and look at all those stories.

Yes a fetus can't live on its own therefore it's just a lump of cell, if it can then it shall live on machines and incubators.

It has no right to live in the mother's body if the mother don't want it.

a newborn can’t live on its own either.

can you see my point? classifying a fetus and a newborn is almost arbitrary. it is practically a fully formed human being well before leaving the mother. so why would you let such a soft distinction as in and out of the mother prevent you from assigning humanity to it?

Damn cavalier you guys talking about babies and fetuses like its a rat or something. Don't like just kill it. KNNCCCB, I bet you wish your parents did that to you too.

Very depressing thread, like a morgue.

Wow. A newborn can be fed and breathe with machines and a willing third party

Lol tell me how those mother that died during childbirth their newborn live in incubators ot taken care by hospital nurses and doctors?

A fetus cannot. A fetus is a parasite in the mother's body, it feed on the mother's nutrition and blood and oxygen.

This is a newborn that's depending on machines to live

a fetus is an unborn human. search it. that’s the actual definition.

so whether it needs machines to live or whatever measure you want to use, there is no way to adequately determine when you want to call it human.

in that case, call it human from the moment it’s conceived, give it rights, and take the conversation from there.

Good. We can agree fetus is a unborn human therefore it is not not human la......lol.

fetus
noun
fetus
noun
an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
"adequate folic acid is important for the developing fetus"