I'm shopping around for a smallish crossover. The priorities are comfort, reliability and low running costs.

Has anyone done this shopping already?

Any thoughts on these 4 models?

Test drive all 4 and see which have good visibility only you decide .

Hypothetically Corolla Cross should have lower running cost - no turbo and accompanying supporting parts and not a Boxer engine which is fine but not the easiest engine to work on.

Your priority I would say :-

1. Cross
2. XV
3. HRV / X50

When factor in purchase price, X50 is cheapest car among all choices which already save u about 50k+ onward vs competition if you get the exec variant

can't beat Toyota reliability, especially since Cross using the 20 yr old dinosaur engine

For me Cross num 1. Best balance of interior and boot space. Toyota reliability. Design in and our is decent. Sat in kawan new hrv.. feel smaller than the previous gen. XV is nice to drive but smallest space among them all especially boot space. X50 decent but just browse in their groups, can see some nightmares with spare parts or car stranded many months because no parts to repair.

hrv jimat cermat. x50 u may check their fc running like

Ya, based on your list of requirement, I would say best option would be Toyota cross V.

If just purely talking abt comfortability, I would say x50. But maintenance and fuel consumption will be high, since it is turbo engine.

XV with the best handling but the tyre might run out faster since it is AWD. And it's road tax cost most among the 4 options.

HRV...unless you want fuel efficient at the expense of high speed and power, then can take HRV hybrid. If you wan more power then can take turbo, but the maintenance could be expensive due to service A and B requirement. Plus the rear seat less comfortable if compare to Toyota cross.

I think HRV is the worst performance here, even X50 & XV are much more seen in the highway..

fun to drive is surely HRV with the turbo engine
after test dtriving this, the rest when you test, no more fun

3 are CVT and 1 is DCT.

Didn't you consider 6AT ? CX-30

Budget wise, which is the cheapest ah?

HRV turbo is most powerful.

Still most fun to handle is XV. The AWD can actively rotate the car more.

But XV is also most expensive to maintain. Everything is green and sunshine until owner needs to change the differential fluid, and there are 3 of them. Have fun when it is time to replace the plates on central differential.

i would prefer toyota corolla cross due to reliability .. me owner of toyota camry acv30 2.0 e year 2003 , less problematic and until now still enjoying it

X50 by a lot.

but need to buy 2 units so become more expensive. hahaha

no need think. just go for Corolla Cross

My X50 accident repairs took 3+ weeks. Almost 2 weeks waiting insurance letter

Model	Engine (liter)	HP	Price (K)
X50	1.5T	148	87-102
Omoda5	1.5T	156	109-119
X50 Flag	1.5T	175	114
CX-3	2.0	154	119
HR-V	1.5T	174	130-135
Corolla Cross	1.8	138	131-142
HR-V HEV	1.5	104	141
C. Cross Hybrid	1.5	97	142
CX-30	2.0	162	132-160
XV	2.0	154	150-157
Jimny	1.5	100	175

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This post has been edited by dogbert_chew: Feb 28 2024, 04:35 PM

Oh ya I forgot there is a Proton, i should ask ( non-national car ) haha.

Hrv
Xv
Cross
X50

But please la don't take cross
Mcm 2010 lexus

If just one tire damaged beyond repair, may have to buy minimum 2 tires.

Are you sure? Bro, Xv & most small AWD rides only got 2 differential fluid, Front & rear.
The one with the 3 is usually those 4x4 pick-ups or large SUV (land cruiser, Pajero with multiple drive mode selection).
The multiple drive mode is the one that need central differential.

75w-90 GL5 differential oil nowadays got a lot of options in market, you want cheap to expensive also got. Just go shoppee/lazada check, some brand only cost less than RM50/L. Front and rear the most add up around 2~3L of differential oil, RM150 can be done settle.
If want cheaper option take 80w-90 GL5 but heavier pick up.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Feb 29 2024, 10:59 AM

Not really, i been using different tires from Pirelli, Nexen to now Falken. Most lasted around 60k +- and it is normal as per my previous sedans.
The answer for longevity is always do tire rotation, balancing and alignment every 10k.

I got 1 member salesman using Continental UC6 on Xv of nearing 100k (He drive on highway a lot) before change to MC6 tires.

All these depends on how you drive and maintain.

XV CVT fluid change will kill you.

Are you sure bro. Have you driven a locked central diff 4x4 on tar/pavement road.

How much is the cost relative to single diff FWD econobox, as TS requirements.

Not everyone buy shopee oil then go to bawah pokok mechanic and expect to pay RM5 for workmanship then don't mind any stripped bolt/screw thread. Don't get me wrong, I take the Subaru anytime if I'm in the market segment. I'll do the bawah pokok maintenance on P2, Chery, GWM, but never a car maker with soul including the Subaru.

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This post has been edited by constant_weight: Feb 29 2024, 12:41 PM

cvt need more extra care

XV

Subaru CVT consider the most reliable, until today no heard of any belt putus as they are using metal chain compare to belt.
The only concern is the CVT fluid, need to change per original spec. (lineartronic CVTF-II) and in time. Latest Xv batch already less heard of CVT issues compare to those early batch as some aftermarket oil brand not compatible previously, the most is just the body valve and a lot of solenoid/body valve options (half-cut/recon) already available now in market.

Engineering explain only explain the different AWD concept but did not mention about the maintenance.
Go to SBR Technic or any Subaru SC and see Xv drivetrain and how they change the differential oil. FYI, is far more simpler than you think. I personally drive Xv since 2015, even taught and personally on hand with my mechanic the 1st time they change the CVT oil & differential oil for my ride after warranty end. Xv is not complicated as you think (If not why a lot of US people can diy and post all those YouTube videos), all differential is open type so normal differential oil is suitable and even SC is using the cheapest Castrol 80w-90 GL-5. Yup, gonna admit that some bawah pokok mechanic dont even know there is a front differential oil to change. Got some Xv member after warranty end only change the rear differential oil and neglected the front, causing some damage it but luckily nowadays a lot of half-cut available.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Mar 1 2024, 07:42 AM

Good sharing. Do take note I'm nor deny how easy or hard on what you said.

Just there is a center diff for any AWD oe 4x4,else they don't turn well on solid ground.

Whether they package the center diff in same case as transmission or saperate, it is an additional component.

This lead to more oil volume needed, even if one job change together with transmission + front open diff. Together with rear diff oil. Another additional.

How about when time to change the center diff plates. Do you know if we need to down the whole transmission unit?

My friend has a 2017 XV and center diff is making minor noise. He's dragging on the replacement. Forgot the quoted price, he always service at Subaru.

Simple or hard those are additional cost vs exonobox (I personally don't mind, but this is for TS).

At least you said Castrol. People going cheap on car maintenance has no bottom. My father is one, RM48 never heard snake engine oil brand from US and claimed to be fully synthetic, Vios after his maintenance drive like shit. Then wastes lots and lots and lots of money on junks to put on show (Out of topic). His favorite quote people see outside, looks pretty is most important. Under the car no one see. I'm too picky, NO ONE in the world care about the proper work. Every mechanic, body shop, house renovation contractor, carpenter etc will bankrupt.

We spend money on practical good quality stuff to improve life quality. A lot of old gen mindset people spend money for face.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Mar 1 2024, 11:00 AM

Corolla Cross.

If you can wait, the Yaris Cross is coming soon, but probably will not be as comfortable as the Corolla Cross.

Does the Forrester handling as well as the XV? And also, compared to CX5 or CRV?

My personal view,

Forrester the handling is good enough, but if really wan to drive fast I will say XV is better and easier to control since it is lighter and smaller. Forrester I feel the car is heavy and solid, but it's engine macam can't deliver enough power to me. And it is too huge so when I drive my uncle car I will abit reluctant to drive fast. But it is good car and spacious. XV is too small. So depend on what you want

While CX5 is more "easier" to drive compare to Forrester, and good looking in it's interior, more premium feel. I feel the car is more "balance" in terms of its size, weight, and power, compare to xv, Forrester, and crv, and the cornering is very good although the one I drive is 2wd, think the gvc is really helped alot, and maybe I prefer the old school automatic gearbox

Crv I only know gen5 2wd turbo, not sure abt AWD, but if on highway straight road, its power and top speed is the best compared to xv and Forrester, and cx5, I did push my wife crv to 195kmh still stable enough, but once you turn steering wheel abit you can feel its body roll and understeer and abit hard to control, lol. Maybe it really need AWD for this kind of size and weight, or need those stabilising bars. Maybe new crv don't have this issue.

So my view is cx5 the best among these, for driver feeling and space.

buy x50 100K spec
you already save initial 30K

you can use the saving for future Fuel and Maintenance (30K is alot )

not taking into consideration about comfy, spec, and other stuff

CX5. Which version? From what I heard, it's the most driver-centric cars but not sure it is the most favored for the passengers.

My cousin bought the cx5 2.0 2 years ago, with leather seats. I would say generally SUV is not favourable to rear passengers, because rear seats all feel bumpy if you drive fast. But I not sure for those expensive SUV cost above 200k,

Although CX 5 rear seats is a bit smaller but still acceptable to me. And the cushion of seat is very comfortable.

CX5 rear seat small and the 2.0 mill is very under power.

Wait for Mitsubishi XForce.

if you drive nicely and service on time then shouldn't be a problem

CRV is more favorable to the rear passenger in both space and ride quality. Especially the CX5 19".

Depends, before our family get the Xv & Forester we tested the HRV & CRV. Just few corners and went into some urban roads already feel bloaty and my mom complain want to vomit (Car Sick). After that we went and test drove Subaru, on the spot we notice the ride quality is totally different. The latest SK Forester interior space actually already beat CRV, if you go search for carlist previous SUV battle Forester come out no.1 when all the points add up. If you want to be fair, pick up whole family and go test drive in different road condition and compare between it.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Mar 1 2024, 06:28 PM

We test drove the CRV previous model many years ago and it's the same experience. Even at very low speeds the vehicle going over speed bumps, the "added" bounciness could not be neglected. However, no vomiting feel though. 😂

The bounciness was not only felt by other passengers but me being the driver. Bearing in mind this was with low speeds probably around 30 km/h when going over speed bumps and I suspect it will only be worse when the vehicle is travelling at higher speeds going over uneven surface or bumps.

Did not have chance to try the Subaru because no dealer and no demo car to test. So servicing might be a problem.

I drive the CRV G6.

Where you stay? Just go to their official website and check for showroom-locations. I got member from rural areas (Kelantan) also can go KL/Penang test drive/service, is about passion and really interested or not. Their service schedule also only 6 months or 10k whoever reach first, so can plan ahead.

https://www.subaru.asia/my/en/how-to-buy/showroom-locations/

This post has been edited by littlefire: Mar 4 2024, 09:21 AM

Corolla Cross Vs HRV Vs X50 Vs XV

If your priorities are comfort, reliability and low running costs then Corolla Cross should be the one.

If you prefer handling, XV handles pretty well.

If you want value added features, then X50.

If you want good looking, then HRV.

nissan xtrail ?

This post has been edited by GamersFamilia: Mar 4 2024, 01:09 PM

Going from Kelantan to KL for after sales service is too much of a trouble for me. To me, that is akin to, I have to serve the car instead of the car serving me.

If you really from Kelantan, the nearest state also got is either Pahang or Terengganu. Well, is your choice/preference. The member i knew is really passion in travelling with her Subaru (Yes, is a lady ) so no problem for her since time to time she drop by these 2 places for shopping and meeting up friends & family.

No way I will drive 400+km for a routine car service to maintain the warranty.

Yup, gf and friend was shopping for a smallish SUV also, and this was the verdict.

Toyota Cross -> boring old UMW T and no tebu, just test drive for the heck of it because T showroom was next door to H, even on paper already rejected for purchase
recommended for unker and auntie who climax when touch T badge.
Proton X50 --> my choice for GF to replace her old car, she made a booking but delivery was super slow... so instead
Honda HR-V --> it was launched before X50 delivery, and she like it better, so cancelled the X50, and now happily driving it.
Subaru XV --> friend bought to replace his RR Evoque that was flooded .. XV adequate power, good handling due to boxer engine lower centre of gravity.

Congrats for getting your G6.

AWD version? What is your fuel consumption?

2WD. 10.9km/L. Actually figure. 70% highway.

This post has been edited by touristking: Mar 6 2024, 07:47 AM