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post Jan 24 2024, 01:26 PM

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If you are looking for budget, then look at Putrajaya. If you are heading to Beacon, can look for the Dato, but his schedule quite packed. About costing, I would not say it is very high or low, but not cheap.
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post Jan 24 2024, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 24 2024, 01:18 PM)
If you knew the types of breast cancer out there you wouldn't suggest this. There's a cancer subtype called er and pr positive which means the cancer is fed by the hormone estrogen. Increasing soya intake increases estrogen.

72 hour water fast is deadly with chemo therapy. You are supposed to eat as much as u can so you have energy to stand the chemo process. Why are you asking people to fast for chemo??!

We asked my wife oncologist about sugar and he said this. Cancer is just like any cell in our body. All of them feeds on sugar. The thing is if you wanna "starve" the cancer out of nutrients you also have to starve the rest of the body of sugar and carbs which you need to be strong to handle the surgery and chemo.

Metformin is to control diabetes. Why are you blatantly suggesting supplements?

You should stay in finance section than giving out statements like this. Leave it to those who went through cancer.
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If you are the doctor you claim to be you will see what I said are truth. Go look up. Metformin breast cancer. Fasting and effect on chemotherapy. Go look up. People who fast have lesser side effects than than who don't waste. Fasting strengthen the body. Kindly open your mind. Regarding tofu and estrogen, this is myth have been debunk by person who develop cancer drugs (Dr William li author of eat to beat disease). Tofu increase your cancer survival. Cancer doctors don't know shit about nutrition.

Kindly google and see what I say is right or wrong. Use pubmed. Go on.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jan 24 2024, 01:29 PM
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post Jan 24 2024, 01:30 PM

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My mom just hit by same grade 2 last year.

1. Dont panic, dont negative - very common thing, really.
2. Seek multi advices for different doctors.
3. Get reputable doctor.
Bonus: 4. Dont keep listen to different relatives different advices different worldviews - even doctor scolded us not to listen relatives as if they are pro

Today, she's like any normal person.

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post Jan 24 2024, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 24 2024, 01:27 PM)
If you are the doctor you claim to be you will see what I said are truth. Go look up. Metformin breast cancer. Fasting and effect on chemotherapy. Go look up. People who fast have lesser side effects than than who don't waste. Kindly open your mind. Regarding tofu and estrogen, this is mythy have been debunk by person who develop cancer drugs (Dr William li author of eat to beat disease).Cancer doctors don't know shit about nutrition.

Kindly google and see what I say is right or wrong.
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I'm not an oncologist nor are you.

Leave the medical stuff to the specialist. Don't give out prescription supplements like you are one.

My wife best friend did it to her over lunch. Same thing what u said don't believe the cancer doctors. They don't know stuff. Eat the following supplements and even gave out doses. Made me so damn pissed she's already dealing that she has cancer and people like u and her friend are saying don't believe the doctors that you see.


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post Jan 24 2024, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(eldenring @ Jan 24 2024, 01:30 PM)
My mom just hit by same grade 2 last year.

1. Dont panic, dont negative - very common thing, really.
2. Seek multi advices for different doctors.
3. Get reputable doctor.
Bonus: 4. Dont keep listen to different relatives different advices different worldviews - even doctor scolded us not to listen relatives as if they are pro

Today, she's like any normal person.
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My wife oncologist told us he has patients who disappear for 4 months to 6 months after finding out they got cancer. Then when they came back the initial staging becomes stage 4. Ask them why? They say they did stuff like what ramjade is asking. Courses to teach you to diet your cancer away.

Totally stupid then I found out my wife had cancer 31st may. Within two weeks we were in beacon hospital. Not 4 months not 6 months. As soon as possible.
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post Jan 24 2024, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 24 2024, 01:32 PM)
I'm not an oncologist nor are you.

Leave the medical stuff to the specialist. Don't give out prescription supplements like you are one.

My wife best friend did it to her over lunch. Same thing what u said don't believe the cancer doctors. They don't know stuff. Eat the following supplements and even gave out doses. Made me so damn pissed she's already dealing that she has cancer and people like u and her friend are saying don't believe the doctors that you see.
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Give you some solid example. Since you are lazy.
https://youtu.be/DGQxem8hw3I?si=ZYCv-lxrxYXc3vw_

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/artic...ive%20BC%20risk.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41523-022-00402-4


https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/oncolo...018%E2%80%9321).

Can't blame them. No one keeps uptodate or train in these things.

Like I said do chemo and but fast before chemo to increase the chemo effect on cancer while mimising the effect on yourself.

Don't just depend on stuff.


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post Jan 24 2024, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 24 2024, 01:38 PM)
No thanks. The best thing for everyone is to stay off the internet. Get the consults in and the reports in and get things done ASAP.

The more shit you read the more time you use to consider your options the more you let your cancer progress.
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post Jan 24 2024, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 24 2024, 01:39 PM)
No thanks. The best thing for everyone is to stay off the internet. Get the consults in and the reports in and get things done ASAP.

The more shit you read the more time you use to consider your options the more you let your cancer progress.
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I thought you'd would say that.The YouTube guy got no nothing to earn. All his YouTube money and books 100% goes to charity. There are people you cannot trust and there are people you can trust. Be smart about who you trust. Look at their credentials.

Your choice. I have included in journals as my evidence. You are welcome to take a look or be ignorant. I know form my history with you with you will choose to look the other way as you are not very open minded. And if you know me, I got nothing to sell you. How many times have I been I told you so?

Well your loss. There is no cancer drug that can kill cancer stem cells yet. Know what can kill cancer stem cells green tea, lycopene and sulphoraphane from broccoli. Yes again I encourage you to go do research.

You can go for conventional treatment and support your body on the other hand. It's not either one. Both can exist together.

I am not a doctor but I like to read about health stuff. And it's fascinating to know that there are doctors in US, Europe that off their patient diabetes and high blood pressure meds because it's no longer needed just by simple intervention. Those on years and years of meds. You don't get that in Malaysia.

Go open your mind. Broaden your horizon.

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Real story... My cousin decided to remove the breast and she's cancer free for more than 12 years...

Be safe... Can't gamble with cancer...
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Avoid all seeds food.

Avoid chicken.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 24 2024, 01:35 PM)
My wife oncologist told us he has patients who disappear for 4 months to 6 months after finding out they got cancer. Then when they came back the initial staging becomes stage 4. Ask them why? They say they did stuff like what ramjade is asking. Courses to teach you to diet your cancer away.

Totally stupid then I found out my wife had cancer 31st may. Within two weeks we were in beacon hospital. Not 4 months not 6 months. As soon as possible.
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Exactly! Suddenly all relatives come chip in the recipes of what they heard from someone. Some even say no need do, just go eat this and that will recover. Thats the whole problem.

Went to Dr.Yip from SJMC / Parkcity btw. https://subangjayamedicalcentre.com/doctor-...r-yip-cheng-har <-- very straightforward doctor.


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post Jan 24 2024, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(toughguy @ Jan 24 2024, 11:09 AM)
This advice is recommended. Government hospital will give advice without any monetary self interest. Good to explore this option while diagnosing at private hospital.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 24 2024, 01:18 PM)
If you knew the types of breast cancer out there you wouldn't suggest this. There's a cancer subtype called er and pr positive which means the cancer is fed by the hormone estrogen. Increasing soya intake increases estrogen.

72 hour water fast is deadly with chemo therapy. You are supposed to eat as much as u can so you have energy to stand the chemo process. Why are you asking people to fast for chemo??!

We asked my wife oncologist about sugar and he said this. Cancer is just like any cell in our body. All of them feeds on sugar. The thing is if you wanna "starve" the cancer out of nutrients you also have to starve the rest of the body of sugar and carbs which you need to be strong to handle the surgery and chemo.

Metformin is to control diabetes. Why are you blatantly suggesting supplements?

You should stay in finance section than giving out statements like this. Leave it to those who went through cancer.
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agree on top both

second opinions should be your go to, if possible retest to get narrow down the error margin

meanwhile also dont ignore emotional wellbeing, one might feel that they are okay for now but fatigue, worries and concerns will take a toll on them eventually
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post Jan 24 2024, 03:10 PM

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for onco, you can seek Dr John Low or Dr Tan Chih Kiang for second opinion.

Get treatment as soon as possible at your preferred hospital. mentally do not stress out and just think as a journey or a process to have a better health.

If need to do chemo, the journey is not easy.
you can consult dietician in the hospital on what to proper food to eat during treatment.

post cancer rehab after hospital are also important.

what is your BMI reading?

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post Jan 24 2024, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(wrc123 @ Jan 24 2024, 03:10 PM)
for onco, you can seek Dr John Low or Dr Tan Chih Kiang for second opinion.

Get treatment as soon as possible at your preferred hospital. mentally do not stress out and just think as a journey or a process to have a better health.

If need to do chemo, the journey is not easy.
you can consult dietician in the hospital on what to proper food to eat during treatment.

post cancer rehab after hospital are also important.

what is your BMI reading?
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post Jan 24 2024, 04:01 PM

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Try fasting 84 hours starve the cancer cell, with a doctor guidelines
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QUOTE(kca28 @ Jan 24 2024, 08:37 AM)
Hi
Need some input.
Got my biopsy result yesterday from Sunway medical pj.
The result is her2 positive, grade 2
Breast surgeon said is probably stage 1, lump size approx  1cm
Her advice is
1. See oncologist to get treatment for targeted therapy 6 cycle
2. After that see if result of the treatment
3.remove lump or whole breast decision
4. Radiotherapy or chemo depends on the lump status

We going see Dr John Low the oncologist in Sunway.
Do you have any good oncologist to recommend in beacon?

Generally will Beacon cost lower than Sunway Med?

I have lose some weights, is there any nutritional drink suitable for cancer patient. Trying to avoid sugar.
If you have anything to share on diet, etc do feel free to do so.
I'm not much of a meat eater but guess I need to push myself to consume poultry.
Thanks in advance .
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If you going to do chemo, you must eat meat especially red meat to boast your blood cell count. If not, you need another injection to boost it. Must eat whatever you can even you already lost appetite and drinks a lot of water.
Radiotherapy giving me very “heat or hot” feeling, me need to eat a lot of those yellowish “water pear” right after treatment to soften those heat.

If not mistaken, there are 1 milk powder with most nutrients need for us cancers patients to drink. Me forgotten the brand name

During chemo period, don’t simply follow hearsay strict dietary. It make the chemo treatment worse and dreadful to overcome those side effects. Need to eat as much as possible especially red meat although me lost my taste buds that time. Everything is tasteless and doesn’t feel hungry at all but the body weight and blood test doesn’t lie.
When doing my first 2 session of chemo, the side effects too strong and feel like want to give up.
Later kena scold by my doctor, don’t simply follow whatever others ideas of good dietary.
He said this the most important time to eat whatever that can boast up the blood count ( me forgot white or red) or the patient will be feeling worse.

After that, I try to eat as much meat and fruits I can to soften the side effects. Me eat chicken, pork and those big big water pear. If you can eat beef, lagi best.
You need to try which type of fruit or meat suitable for you. Me can’t stand fish meat and certain fruit, just want to vomit trying it. Normal days, those are non issue for me. Maybe those chemo side effects period do that.

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post Jan 24 2024, 05:26 PM

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If i were to get cancer, i would do prolonged fasting. Most people including doctors will not recommend this method because there is la ack of studies on this method and not really proven.

I have been on regular prolonged fasting, including 40+ hrs fast and 90+ hrs fast. The benefits are just amazing, u will be shocked at the amazing healing power from your own body. Of course, need to have proper diet and lifestyle too.
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Please avoid eating so called magic solution to reduce your cancer stage , supplement, Chinese herbs , porcupine powder

U need to immediately seek 2nd opinion as many had recommended here

Don’t take any so called traditional health cure , it will accelerate your cancer growth
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QUOTE(Agent 45 @ Jan 24 2024, 05:26 PM)
If i were to get cancer, i would do prolonged fasting. Most people including doctors will not recommend this method because there is la ack of studies on this method and not really proven.

I have been on regular prolonged fasting, including 40+ hrs fast and 90+ hrs fast. The benefits are just amazing, u will be shocked at the amazing healing power from your own body. Of course, need to have proper diet and lifestyle too.
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Can you share specifically the benefits? Curious.
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QUOTE(insan_kamil @ Jan 24 2024, 07:48 PM)
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Fasting before chemotherapy is good as it increase the toxicity on cancer cells while els inf your own cells alone. Basically reducing the side effect. There are already study on it. I posted a YouTube video where this guy goes over benefit of fasting for chemotherapy. Just look back few post up.

Very fascinating a simple thing can alter chemotherapy.effect. Here's the link if you are lazy to dig back.
https://youtu.be/DGQxem8hw3I?si=ZYCv-lxrxYXc3vw_

If you want to see effect of fasting on the body
https://youtu.be/RuOvn4UqznU?si=YZKNdEuOqS6fvVb9

Of course caveat is need 72h to get the full effect.

QUOTE(SuperTuhan @ Jan 24 2024, 06:55 PM)
Btw
Please avoid eating so called magic solution to reduce your cancer stage , supplement, Chinese herbs , porcupine powder

U need to immediately seek 2nd opinion as many had recommended here

Don’t take any so called traditional health cure , it will accelerate your cancer growth
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Yes. Don't take traditional cure. Look up pubmed for those research. Chemotherapy is one part of the battle. You can do other stuff to increase your chances. Don't just depend on one component.

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