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post Jan 5 2024, 11:44 AM, updated 2y ago

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Stephen Hawking On God





Here's some comment I want to add with the first video.

Notice he NEVER mentioned about reincarnation and karma but said that there's no Heaven and Afterlife? icon_idea.gif

Which is in correlation with Einstein's Conservation of Energy theory.

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Earth Overpopulated so need to kill some?

And they be god themselves?
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i know certain ppl who never miss a prayer, but actually are closet atheists
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QUOTE(kcal @ Jan 5 2024, 11:48 AM)
i know certain ppl who never miss a prayer, but actually are closet atheists
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Those atheists, if their airplane is about to crash, will immediately pray to God to avoid the crash.
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QUOTE(miromiro @ Jan 5 2024, 12:46 PM)
Earth Overpopulated so need to kill some?

And they be god themselves?
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No need to kill people if they don’t breed like rabbits.

At the height of Qing Dynasty in the 17th century, China has the largest population in the world at around 400 million. Today, China’s population is 1.4 billion and 400 million population is like the US only today.
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2024 still got sohai believe in God? Lol
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jan 5 2024, 11:51 AM)
No need to kill people if they don’t breed like rabbits.

At the height of Qing Dynasty in the 17th century, China has the largest population in the world at around 400 million. Today, China’s population is 1.4 billion and 400 million population is like the US only today.
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Even last time china one child policy? Woah
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There is "God", but God is much much much much more than what was described in the scriptures.
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post Jan 5 2024, 11:53 AM

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Don't worry, population growth tapers off ard 11B sometime 2030+, then decline forcing humans rely on AI & technology
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China's population is declining today just like Japan.

Only the bleks are still non stop breeding across Africa and South Asia aiming to populate and conquer the world.

Their Abrahamic religions teaches them to go all out and conquer the world. rclxms.gif
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post Jan 5 2024, 11:54 AM

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Find your own answer that what i would say.
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jan 5 2024, 11:51 AM)
2024 still got sohai believe in God? Lol
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No need to criticize 3/4 of world population..
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QUOTE(iazmin @ Jan 5 2024, 11:50 AM)
Those atheists, if their airplane is about to crash, will immediately pray to God to avoid the crash.
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Just like any religious ppl, if a 10 spread their legs in front, piap dengan rakus juga.
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QUOTE(iazmin @ Jan 5 2024, 11:50 AM)
Those atheists, if their airplane is about to crash, will immediately pray to God to avoid the crash.
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how u know? from survivor testimony?
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QUOTE(miromiro @ Jan 5 2024, 12:52 PM)
Even last time china one child policy? Woah
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Don’t forget they got great famine in the 60s and lots of people dead during cultural revolution too.

India population in the 1800s was only about 180 million. Today, its population is eve higher than China’s close to 1.5 billion.

Then we have the problem of unequal birth rates. Places like Japan which definitely need higher birth rates are having declining birth rates while places like Bangladesh Rohingya birth rates uncontrollably.

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hes not the first one to say that
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QUOTE(iazmin @ Jan 5 2024, 11:50 AM)
Those atheists, if their airplane is about to crash, will immediately pray to God to avoid the crash.
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they're just not atheist enough.

just gotta understand that it's out of your hands. strap on your belts and brace. then enjoy the ride since it may be your last.
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QUOTE(iazmin @ Jan 5 2024, 11:50 AM)
Those atheists, if their airplane is about to crash, will immediately pray to God to avoid the crash.
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your own opinion

this is like as if your favourite food is chocolate, u assume everyone must like chocolate
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Hawking no believe in God but God believe in him.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Jan 5 2024, 12:54 PM)
China's population is declining today just like Japan.

Only the bleks are still non stop breeding across Africa and South Asia aiming to populate and conquer the world.

Their Abrahamic religions teaches them to go all out and conquer the world. rclxms.gif
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The unequal birth rates are worse. China at least can take care of its population but you have places like Bangladesh where majority are below poverty line. Then we have people like Rohingya who don’t even have a nation but breeding like rabbits. So unfair to nations like Japan that should have higher population.
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I wonder if he was actually even on Epstein island.

With due respect looking at his condition, I doubt he could feel his dick being sucked.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jan 5 2024, 12:01 PM)
The unequal birth rates are worse. China at least can take care of its population but you have places like Bangladesh where majority are below poverty line. Then we have people like Rohingya who don’t even have a nation but breeding like rabbits. So unfair to nations like Japan that should have higher population.
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The Communists who rules money and the world underground government wants BLM (their long lost cousins) to infiltrate every country there is on the planet outbreed everyone and bring upon a one race one world one religion world.

Multiculturalism and diversity is good for you idea. Breed like no tomorrow so they have a never-ending supply of dumbed down single race of people who will not defy the ruler and dictator.

Japan and other sovereign where strong close family and culture values nations are in their top list to destroy.
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Jan 5 2024, 12:06 PM)
I wonder if he was actually even on Epstein island.

With due respect looking at his condition, I doubt he could feel his dick being sucked.
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Which makes him just one of the non other publicity mouthpiece for the Communist Z establishment?
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QUOTE(iazmin @ Jan 5 2024, 11:50 AM)
Those atheists, if their airplane is about to crash, will immediately pray to God to avoid the crash.
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Will believers chant “hooray I’m going to meet god” when their plane going crash? blush.gif
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Whatever la, a lame in a wheel chair.
Still don’t know what he did that made him “great”
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There is god, but no use praying for it since it will do nothing.
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QUOTE(iazmin @ Jan 5 2024, 11:50 AM)
Those atheists, if their airplane is about to crash, will immediately pray to God to avoid the crash.
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Ya it's really funny. They forgot God is the one crashing the airplane. It's part of God's plan.
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Can he confirm it now....oh wait...
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QUOTE(Sien99 @ Jan 5 2024, 12:11 PM)
Whatever la, a lame in a wheel chair.
Still don’t know what he did that made him “great”
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leading physicist still not good enough?
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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Jan 5 2024, 11:53 AM)
Don't worry, population growth tapers off ard 11B sometime 2030+, then decline forcing humans rely on AI & technology
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Either AI trim down the population or wait for alien invasion to wipe out the out of control pest on tiny Earth tongue.gif
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But hawking customer epstein how?
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Jan 5 2024, 01:14 PM)
Stephen Hawking On God





He warns about:

-Earth Overpopulated

-The Impact of AI
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inb4, 1st tenet in rukun negara. but buddhists seem not to comply with the tenet.

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jan 5 2024, 12:01 PM)
The unequal birth rates are worse. China at least can take care of its population but you have places like Bangladesh where majority are below poverty line. Then we have people like Rohingya who don’t even have a nation but breeding like rabbits. So unfair to nations like Japan that should have higher population.
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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Jan 5 2024, 11:55 AM)
No need to criticize 3/4 of world population..
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Time to grow up, even kids don't believe in Santa Claus anymore.

It's not okay for adults to have imaginary friends
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Jan 5 2024, 12:06 PM)
I wonder if he was actually even on Epstein island.

With due respect looking at his condition, I doubt he could feel his dick being sucked.
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Being physically challenged doesn’t mean he didn’t have nafsu ler.

He had fathered 3 kids. Divorced his first wife after an affair with the second. And was rumoured to be a regular at strip clubs.
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After a billion years..suddenly pile of woods will became a chair. Seem logic right?

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QUOTE(overthemoon @ Jan 5 2024, 12:26 PM)
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Being physically challenged doesn’t mean he didn’t have nafsu ler.

He had fathered 3 kids. Divorced his first wife after an affair with the second. And was rumoured to be a regular at strip clubs.
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Even a crippled man has urges and needs to answer nature calls. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(harry_croft84 @ Jan 5 2024, 12:28 PM)
After a billion years..suddenly pile of woods will became a chair. Seem logic right?

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Also every nation and race has their own version of God and beliefs.

Problem arises when you bow down and worship other people's God. What is becomes? You're their new slave?
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QUOTE(harry_croft84 @ Jan 5 2024, 12:28 PM)
After a billion years..suddenly pile of woods will became a chair. Seem logic right?

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according to some atheists, no need design. its called theory of natural selection
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QUOTE(kcal @ Jan 5 2024, 11:48 AM)
i know certain ppl who never miss a prayer, but actually are closet atheists
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i know some1 never miss prayer, then burp after drink beer say alhamdullilah
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jan 5 2024, 11:51 AM)
No need to kill people if they don’t breed like rabbits.

At the height of Qing Dynasty in the 17th century, China has the largest population in the world at around 400 million. Today, China’s population is 1.4 billion and 400 million population is like the US only today.
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ccp kill many babies after mao gone and deng reign, they call it one child policy, remember?
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QUOTE(iazmin @ Jan 5 2024, 11:50 AM)
Those atheists, if their airplane is about to crash, will immediately pray to God to avoid the crash.
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Just in case there is a god
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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Jan 5 2024, 12:34 PM)
ccp kill many babies after mao gone and deng reign, they call it one child policy, remember?
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USSR Bolsheviks also starved and murdered more than 20M of its citizens with famine and starvation. Soviet USSR was a big country back then a size of a continent.
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 5 2024, 12:36 PM)
Just in case there is a god
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Depending on the state of mind in human which wants to believe whatever they want.

If a man high on weed believed he saw a pig fly in the sky, he will say flying pigs exist.
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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Jan 5 2024, 12:34 PM)
ccp kill many babies after mao gone and deng reign, they call it one child policy, remember?
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hoax. i know one china guy from hainan now in his 30s. he has one sibling. so. u really believe shit saying china killed babies?
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QUOTE(kcal @ Jan 5 2024, 12:43 PM)
hoax. i know one china guy from hainan now in his 30s. he has one sibling. so. u really believe shit saying china killed babies?
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Stephen Hawking: There is no God.
God: There is no more Stephen Hawking.
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It's funny that only the living are arguing about the existence of God.

And only the dead can confirm whether there is God.

And the only way to meet God is through dying.

But we naturally are programmed to think of our survival and try not to die.

Really weird this life if you think about it hehe.


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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Jan 5 2024, 12:53 PM)
wats that? enforced disappearance?
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All time god is god of fortune, atheist or theist, believe in god or dont believe in god but everybody need this god to exist...
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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jan 5 2024, 12:57 PM)
Stephen Hawking: There is no God.
God: There is no more Stephen Hawking.
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He is deaded?
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Jan 5 2024, 01:00 PM)
He is deaded?
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no need for him to tell me
i knew it long ago
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QUOTE(kcal @ Jan 5 2024, 12:59 PM)
wats that? enforced disappearance?
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push dont mean enforce, if according to wumao logic. kill not literally mean behaeded baby on live tv, thats isis and hamas modus operandi
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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jan 5 2024, 12:57 PM)
God: There is no more Stephen Hawking.
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*Talks on behalf of God claiming he represents God. innocent.gif

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dieded already so he can confirm. just he cannot lipot back
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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Jan 5 2024, 01:09 PM)
dieded already so he can confirm. just he cannot lipot back
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But in the religions which preached about existence of heaven claims there are people who reported back and told you there's heaven, how it looks like, who is there and who is not, and speaks on behalf of God.

Boleh caya kah?

Summore everyday preaching says end days coming, Christ is returning, yada2
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As if they care.

Just like they say they don't trust the preacher only trust word of God but they never got word of God directly, all pass down from preacher also.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Jan 5 2024, 01:13 PM)
But in the religions which preached about existence of heaven claims there are people who reported back and told you there's heaven, how it looks like, who is there and who is not, and speaks on behalf of God.

Boleh caya kah?

Summore everyday preaching says end days coming, Christ is returning, yada2
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or. that one is NDE. all religions claim have spiritual journey see their own gods. NDE is not even death
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God was in Selangor. Donno still there or not.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Jan 5 2024, 01:05 PM)
*Talks on behalf of God claiming he represents God. innocent.gif
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For Stephen Hawking, his suffering & death is God.
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I wonder whether he said that because of his condition.
He probably questioned "If there was a god, why would he do this to me? I did nothing wrong!"

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jan 5 2024, 01:21 PM)
For Stephen Hawking,  his suffering & death is God.
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QUOTE(kcal @ Jan 5 2024, 11:48 AM)
i know certain ppl who never miss a prayer, but actually are closet atheists
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So why they pray?

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Jan 5 2024, 01:34 PM)
ccp kill many babies after mao gone and deng reign, they call it one child policy, remember?
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If there are no 1 child policy, what do you think is the population of China today? How much resources China need to take care of a population larger than 1.4 billion. By the way, 1 child policy was Deng’s idea and was started in 1979 after Mao is already dead.

Like I say before, even with the so called wars, famine and death in the 20th century, China’s population still exploded after CCP won the civil war. Why? Despite all the flaws of Mao rule, people forgot that education and general healthcare of people in China still improved.

China’s population during the height of Qing Dynasty was around 450 million only. It more than doubled in the 20th century especially after WW2. After CCP took over in 1949, its population increased from about 500 million to around 1 billion in 1980. Even with 1 child policy, its population still grew another 400 million.

No 1 child policy, China’s population today is probably close to 2 billion and you will be the first to complain 2 billion zombies, right!
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Jan 5 2024, 01:34 PM)
So why they pray?
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some bcoz for show. some take prayer as a form of meditation just like doing yoga
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It's like saying a country don't have head of state.
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QUOTE(EX Unseen Forces @ Jan 5 2024, 01:44 PM)
It's like saying a country don't have head of state.
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different concept
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jan 5 2024, 11:58 AM)
Don’t forget they got great famine in the 60s and lots of people dead during cultural revolution too.

India population in the 1800s was only about 180 million. Today, its population is eve higher than China’s close to 1.5 billion.

Then we have the problem of unequal birth rates. Places like Japan which definitely need higher birth rates are having declining birth rates while places like Bangladesh Rohingya birth rates uncontrollably.
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It's been shown that with the maturing of one's economy and with increase in quality of life, birth rate goes down

Ppl have uncontrolled/unplanned pregnancy usually when they are uneducated or too bored and need sex to occupy time
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QUOTE(kcal @ Jan 5 2024, 01:45 PM)
different concept
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So far we have defi. We don't have decon. wink.gif

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Stephen Hawking in Epstein Island...lol


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QUOTE(EX Unseen Forces @ Jan 5 2024, 01:44 PM)
It's like saying a country don't have head of state.
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what anal-ogy is that?

States are made of ppl, head of state also ppl.

When is your gawd a person? When was the last time you ever saw your gawd?

Someone told/indoctrinate you that there is this invisible sky daddy, then after grown up you go tell others there's invisible sky daddy......... when in reality you are just repeating what others brainwashed you. console.gif
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There is nothing wrong with what Stephen Hawking says. He can have his own beliefs. But there's something wrong with TS. Why does TS make it sounds like Stephen Hawking is omnipotent?
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Just like any religious ppl, if a 10 spread their legs in front, piap dengan rakus juga.
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But rulers and dictators have been pushing their own versions of the Creator to their people for their own gains and benefits.

Every powerful nation in the past history. The Egyptians, the Persians, the Jews, the Arabs, The Scandinavians, The Greeks, The Mongolians, The Romans, The Japanese, the Aborigines.

Each of their God/Gods are different.

and then came the Scientists and gifted geniuses who debunk the idea with logic. When the world was form was there such thing as time?

Did God programmed everyone's lives for his own entertainment and created the devil to spice things up? laugh.gif
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There is nothing wrong with what Stephen Hawking says. He can have his own beliefs. But there's something wrong with TS. Why does TS make it sounds like Stephen Hawking is omnipotent?
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the guy not gentleman. he put words into mouths of hawking and atheists. atheist never say the universe was created 13.8 billion yrs ago out of nothing or ex-nihilo. the right one is nobody knows wat happened before the big bang.
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Everyone can enter the kingdom of heaven if you take up the cross and accept Jesus in your life.<sarcasm>

Before you say this go do all sorts of crimes and evil deeds. Before you die or you know you're dying confess and pray.

Repent. It's not too late to repent. laugh.gif
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the guy not gentleman. he put words into mouths of hawking and atheists. atheist never say the universe was created 13.8 billion yrs ago out of nothing or ex-nihilo. the right one is nobody knows wat happened before the big bang.
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The problem is no one lived to know what happened before the big bang but there're righteous people out there who claims they know God better than anyone else and is worthy to represent him to give advise to the world.

That is the BIGGEST blasphemy and BS that only stupid low IQ race people will buy.

You know there're still many takers from the African and South Asian if you're a good talker. rolleyes.gif
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places like Bangladesh Rohingya birth rates uncontrollably.
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i heard from a Bangladeshi they do have birth control. their government implemented or encouraged cesarean birth which limit them to a max 3.
how true is it, not sure?
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the guy not gentleman. he put words into mouths of hawking and atheists. atheist never say the universe was created 13.8 billion yrs ago out of nothing or ex-nihilo. the right one is nobody knows wat happened before the big bang.
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Hawking said Law of gravity can create. That is a fact. A silly fact.
Many atheists believe that the universe was created 13.8 billion years ago.






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Everyone can enter the kingdom of heaven if you take up the cross and accept Jesus in your life.<sarcasm>

Before you say this go do all sorts of crimes and evil deeds. Before you die or you know you're dying confess and pray.

Repent. It's not too late to repent. laugh.gif
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usually they cant respond well if i say stuff like, so would you be happy if i went around killing everyone, they will go to heaven while i alone go to hell? i sacrificed myself for all of you.
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The problem is no one lived to know what happened before the big bang but there're righteous people out there who claims they know God better than anyone else and is worthy to represent him to give advise to the world.

That is the BIGGEST blasphemy and BS that only stupid low IQ race people will buy.

You know there're still many takers from the African and South Asian if you're a good talker. rolleyes.gif
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It does NOT matter what you believe but what your belief brings into your life.

Happiness cannot be fully defined using material science and logic.

What is life beyond survival? Its up to you.. Its like asking what is the purpose of this Universe to exist.

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usually they cant respond well if i say stuff like, so would you be happy if i went around killing everyone, they will go to heaven while i alone go to hell? i sacrificed myself for all of you.
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That is totally opposite of certain terrorists. The suicide bomber can go to heaven while the victims go to hell.
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Earth Overpopulated so need to kill some?

And they be god themselves?
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i heard from a Bangladeshi they do have birth control. their government implemented or encouraged cesarean birth which limit them to a max 3.
how true is it, not sure?
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I don’t think it’s mandatory 1 child policy like China where the penalty is very high. When it’s not mandatory, people will ignore. However, when it’s strict like China, some people say it’s inhumane and China killed millions of babies.
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If there are no 1 child policy, what do you think is the population of China today?  How much resources China need to take care of a population larger than 1.4 billion. By the way, 1 child policy was Deng’s idea and was started in 1979 after Mao is already dead.

Like I say before, even with the so called wars, famine and death in the 20th century, China’s population still exploded after CCP won the civil war. Why? Despite all the flaws of Mao rule, people forgot that education and general healthcare of people in China still improved.

China’s population during the height of Qing Dynasty was around 450 million only. It more than doubled in the 20th century especially after WW2. After CCP took over in 1949, its population increased from about 500 million to around 1 billion in 1980. Even with 1 child policy, its population still grew another 400 million.

No 1 child policy, China’s population today is probably close to 2 billion and you will be the first to complain 2 billion zombies, right!
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you contradict yourself, justified with forked (komunis) tongue as usual. i just tell facts. no say right or wrong. you otoh tell both extreme is not wrong, as long as its ccp and china.

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Why should they?

With their control over money, influence and power they manipulate religious movements to fool the masses.

That's why they don't believe in God because they themselves know its a scam.

That's usually the modus operandi of NGO organizations, the money has to come form somewhere and the people donating large sums of it ain't giving it out for free without expecting you to do something for favors.

If Communism wants to infiltrate society NGOs and religion is their best weapon. Same to terrorists groups.
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Why should they?

With their control over money, influence and power they manipulate religious movements to fool the masses.

That's why they don't believe in God because they themselves know its a scam.

That's usually the modus operandi of NGO organizations, the money has to come form somewhere and the people donating large sums of it ain't giving it out for free without expecting you to do something for favors.

If Communism wants to infiltrate society NGOs and religion is their best weapon. Same to terrorists groups.
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you contradict yourself, justified with forked (komunis) tongue as usual. i just tell facts. no say right or wrong. you otoh tell both extreme is not wrong, as long as its ccp and china.
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Which part contradicts myself? I was stating facts about China populations growth.

You are the one who say China killed millions babies due to its 1 child policy. You even say Mao was responsible together with Deng for the 1 child policy but it was clearly Deng’s idea as it was introduced after Mao died. Die already still he can make decisions? LOL!

My question to you is simple. If China did not have 1 child policy, what do you think is China’s population today?

Cannot answer properly and accuse people of forked tongue!
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The sun and moon were unexplained by science once upon a time
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Stephen Hawking On God

Here's some comment I want to add with the first video.

Notice he NEVER mentioned about reincarnation and karma but said that there's no Heaven and Afterlife? icon_idea.gif

Which is in correlation with Einstein's Conservation of Energy theory.
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those extremist will beg to gods when their airplane is about to crash. but it still crash.
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Ya it's really funny. They forgot God is the one crashing the airplane. It's part of God's plan.
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those extremist will beg to gods when their airplane is about to crash. but it still crash.
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2024 still got sohai believe in God? Lol
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I do. No God no me. Look at the intricacy of your hands and how your facial features are made. I see miracles everyday. Certainly not a product of big bang with no specific algorithm.

Not a holy one. Don't pray everyday. Only pray when I'm in deep shit.

Religion, when examined closely, is history. One has to verify all claims even the book of religion. You need to determine if it's real history or fake history.
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Everything is meaningless.

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1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
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“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”

3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
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11 No one remembers the former generations,
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My fav book in the Bible.
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One of the World’s Most Powerful Scientists Believes in Miracles
NIH director Francis Collins, winner of the 2020 Templeton Prize, answers questions about God, free will, evil, altruism and his Christian faith in a 2006 interview

By John Horgan on May 20, 2020
One of the World's Most Powerful Scientists Believes in Miracles
Francis Collins: “We may understand a lot about biology, we may understand a lot about how to prevent illness, and we may understand the life span. But I don’t think we will figure out how to stop humans from doing bad things to each other.”

When I talk to my students about the tempestuous relationship between science and religion, I like to bring up the case of Francis Collins. Early in his career, Collins was a successful gene-hunter, who helped identify genes associated with cystic fibrosis and other disorders. He went on to become one of the world’s most powerful scientists. Since 2009, he has directed the National Institutes of Health, which this year has a budget of over $40 billion. Before that he oversaw the Human Genome Project, one of history’s biggest research projects. Collins was an atheist until 1978, when he underwent a conversion experience while hiking in the mountains and became a devout Christian. In his 2006 bestselling book The Language of God, Collins declares that he sees no incompatibility between science and religion. “The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome,” he wrote. “He can be worshipped in the cathedral or in the laboratory.” Collins just won the $1.3 million Templeton Prize, created in 1972 to promote reconciliation of science and spirituality. (See my posts on the Templeton Foundation here and here). This news gives me an excuse to post an interview I carried out with Collins for National Geographic in 2006, a time when Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and others were vigorously attacking religion. Below is an edited transcript of my conversation with Collins, which took place in Washington, D.C. I liked Collins, whom I found to be surprisingly unassuming for a man of such high stature. But I was disturbed by our final exchanges, in which he revealed a fatalistic outlook on humanity’s future. Collins, it seems, has lots of faith in God but not much in humanity. – John Horgan

Horgan: How does it feel to be at the white-hot center of the current debate between science and religion?

Collins: This increasing polarization between extremists on both ends of the atheism and belief spectrum has been heartbreaking to me. If my suggestion that there is a harmonious middle ground puts me at the white-hot center of debate--Hooray! It’s maybe a bit overdue.

Horgan: The danger in trying to appeal to people on both sides of a polarized debate is--

Collins: Bombs thrown at you from both directions!

Horgan: Has that happened?

Collins [sighs]: The majority have responded in very encouraging ways. But some of my scientific colleagues argue that it’s totally inappropriate for a scientist to write about religion, and we already have too much faith in public life in this country. And then I get some very strongly worded messages from fundamentalists who feel that I have compromised the literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and call me a false prophet. I’m diluting the truth and doing damage to the faith.

Horgan: Why do you think the debate has become so polarized?

Collins: It starts with an extreme articulation of a viewpoint on one side of the issue and that then results in a response that is also a little bit too extreme, and the whole thing escalates. Every action demands an equal and opposite reaction. This is one of Newton’s laws playing out in an unfortunate public scenario.

Horgan: I must admit that I’ve become more concerned lately about the harmful effects of religion because of religious terrorism like 9/11 and the growing power of the religious right in the United States.

Collins: What faith has not been used by demagogues as a club over somebody’s head? Whether it was the Inquisition or the Crusades on the one hand or the World Trade Center on the other? But we shouldn’t judge the pure truths of faith by the way they are applied any more than we should judge the pure truth of love by an abusive marriage. We as children of God have been given by God this knowledge of right and wrong, this “Moral Law,” which I see as a particularly compelling signpost to His existence. But we also have this thing called free will which we exercise all the time to break that law. We shouldn’t blame faith for the ways people distort it and misuse it.

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Horgan: Isn’t the problem when religions say, This is the only way to truth? Isn’t that what turns religious faith from something beautiful into something intolerant and hateful?

Collins: There is a sad truth there. I think we Christians have been way too ready to define ourselves as members of an exclusive club. I found truth, I found joy, I found peace in that particular conclusion, but I am not in any way suggesting that that is the conclusion everybody else should find. To have anyone say, “My truth is purer than yours,” that is both inconsistent with what I see in the person of Christ and incredibly off-putting. And quick to start arguments and fights and even wars! Look at the story of the Good Samaritan, which is a parable from Jesus himself. Jews would have considered the Samaritan to be a heretic, and yet clearly Christ’s message is: That is the person who did right and was justified in God’s eyes.

Horgan: How can you, as a scientist who looks for natural explanations of things and demands evidence, also believe in miracles, like the resurrection?

Collins: My first struggle was to believe in God. Not a pantheist God who is entirely enclosed within nature, or a Deist God who started the whole thing and then just lost interest, but a supernatural God who is interested in what is happening in our world and might at times choose to intervene. My second struggle was to believe that Christ was divine as He claimed to be. As soon as I got there, the idea that He might rise from the dead became a non-problem. I don’t have a problem with the concept that miracles might occasionally occur at moments of greatsignificance where there is a message being transmitted to us by God Almighty. But as a scientist I set my standards for miracles very high. And I don’t think we should try to convince agnostics or atheists about the reality of faith with claims about miracles that they can easily poke holes in.

Horgan: The problem I have with miracles is not just that they violate what science tells us about how the world works. They also make God seem too capricious. For example, many people believe that if they pray hard enough God will intercede to heal them or a loved one. But does that mean that all those who don’t get better aren’t worthy?

Collins: In my own experience as a physician, I have not seen a miraculous healing, and I don’t expect to see one. Also, prayer for me is not a way to manipulate God into doing what we want Him to do. Prayer for me is much more a sense of trying to get into fellowship with God. I’m trying to figure out what I should be doing rather than telling Almighty God what He should be doing. Look at the Lord’s Prayer. It says, “Thy will be done.” It wasn’t, “Our Father who are in Heaven, please get me a parking space.”

Horgan: Many people have a hard time believing in God because of the problem of evil. If God loves us, why is life filled with so much suffering?

Collins: That is the most fundamental question that all seekers have to wrestle with. First of all, if our ultimate goal is to grow, learn, discover things about ourselves and things about God, then unfortunately a life of ease is probably not the way to get there. I know I have learned very little about myself or God when everything is going well. Also, a lot of the pain and suffering in the world we cannot lay at God’s feet. God gave us free will, and we may choose to exercise it in ways that end up hurting other people.

Horgan: The physicist Steven Weinberg, who is an atheist, has written about this topic. He asks why six million Jews, including his relatives, had to die in the Holocaust so that the Nazis could exercise their free will.

Collins: If God had to intervene miraculously every time one of us chose to do something evil, it would be a very strange, chaotic, unpredictable world. Free will leads to people doing terrible things to each other. Innocent people die as a result. You can’t blame anyone except the evildoers for that. So that’s not God’s fault. The harder question is when suffering seems to have come about through no human ill action. A child with cancer, a natural disaster, a tornado or tsunami. Why would God not prevent those things from happening?

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how u know? from survivor testimony?
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Eerie whispers trapped beneath my pillow
Won't let me sleep, your memories
And I know you're in this room, I'm sure I heard you sigh
Floating in between where our worlds collide
It scares the hell out of me
And the end is all I can see
And it scares the hell out of me
And the end is all I can see
Yeah-yeah, yeah-yeah, yeah-yeah, whoa
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I do. No God no me. Look at the intricacy of your hands and how your facial features are made. I see miracles everyday. Certainly not a product of big bang with no specific algorithm.

Not a holy one. Don't pray everyday. Only pray when I'm in deep shit.

Religion, when examined closely, is history. One has to verify all claims even the book of religion. You need to determine if it's real history or fake history.
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You dont understand how evolution works.

And your human body is full of flaws and vestigial parts. Just have to open your eyes and read to see
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Coz majority people wouldn't and don't want to know how cancer happened (like what u stated). And as a society we don't really give a fxck about science. Look at the majority people around us...

QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jan 6 2024, 08:23 AM)
You dont understand how evolution works.

And your human body is full of flaws and vestigial parts. Just have to open your eyes and read to see
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Coz majority people wouldn't and don't want to know how cancer happened (like what u stated). And as a society we don't really give a fxck about science. Look at the majority people around us...
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They choose to be ignorant. But can we blame them? Years of indoctrination and brainwashing, 0 critical thinking turn people into brainless zombies.

A perfect creator wouldn't use the same hole for humans to breathe and eat for example. Like come on yo, that's a major design flaw lmao.

Basic design also fail. And you're right, cancer too, how would a perfect creator miss that shit? Why would this creator leave errors in his design and not fix them all at once?
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Believers are arrogant. I just don't believe in one more god than you. So technically believers are also atheist.

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Human only understand whatever that is already created and visible or measurable in front of us. The part where it just appear from zero to something, we will never understand it and can only speculate at most.
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post Jan 6 2024, 08:55 AM

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No one in Epstein guest list believe in god
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Think also know la... reincarnation then how come population kept increasing??? Total sum and balance is just wrong
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If they're freemasons they need to believe there's a creator or they called it Grand Architect of the Universe.
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Human probably only know the truth few seconds before dying, there's some research about brain activity of dying folks, it's active during the last 30sec or more, the part of brain where dreams and memory sits. Something Neuro scientist can't explain yet but tor religious folk it's the angel of death moment. If their eyes still functioning at the dying time, the eye will follow his soul out from his body.
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If one makes a woman arch her back, shake uncontrollably and dig her fingernails into your back/upper arms while calling out to a god, you've done your job well.

My back hurts. Moving along now....
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There are billions of stars, complex living things, how atom works, ultra genius design. N u think its all happen by it self. Come on. Nak kertas pun kena buat.
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You dont understand how evolution works.

And your human body is full of flaws and vestigial parts. Just have to open your eyes and read to see
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Humans own destruction

Preservative. Coloring. Cancer substance.
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Look at the James Webb Telescope findings, there's even older and distant galaxies, now how many big bang happen as technology to look even further into the space improved tremendously. Human getting played by the Great Architect of The Universe.
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There are billions of stars, complex living things, how atom works, ultra genius design. N u think its all happen by it self. Come on. Nak kertas pun kena buat.
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who created god?
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QUOTE(gashout @ Jan 6 2024, 07:40 AM)
I do. No God no me. Look at the intricacy of your hands and how your facial features are made. I see miracles everyday. Certainly not a product of big bang with no specific algorithm.

Not a holy one. Don't pray everyday. Only pray when I'm in deep shit.

Religion, when examined closely, is history. One has to verify all claims even the book of religion. You need to determine if it's real history or fake history.
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The point of all religions is just to explain one simple thing - creation. Sure, if there's a creator, call him God or anything.

But when you study into religions, you know it isn't all about creation, but all sorts of superstition and teachings
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Depend on individual, and what is an god to you?

To him definitely there is no God


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he dont need god anyways when theres midgets and little kids at epstein island
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Copy of some of the discussions;

One of the World’s Most Powerful Scientists Believes in Miracles
NIH director Francis Collins, winner of the 2020 Templeton Prize, answers questions about God, free will, evil, altruism and his Christian faith in a 2006 interview

By John Horgan on May 20, 2020
One of the World's Most Powerful Scientists Believes in Miracles
Francis Collins: “We may understand a lot about biology, we may understand a lot about how to prevent illness, and we may understand the life span. But I don’t think we will figure out how to stop humans from doing bad things to each other.”

When I talk to my students about the tempestuous relationship between science and religion, I like to bring up the case of Francis Collins. Early in his career, Collins was a successful gene-hunter, who helped identify genes associated with cystic fibrosis and other disorders. He went on to become one of the world’s most powerful scientists. Since 2009, he has directed the National Institutes of Health, which this year has a budget of over $40 billion. Before that he oversaw the Human Genome Project, one of history’s biggest research projects. Collins was an atheist until 1978, when he underwent a conversion experience while hiking in the mountains and became a devout Christian. In his 2006 bestselling book The Language of God, Collins declares that he sees no incompatibility between science and religion. “The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome,” he wrote. “He can be worshipped in the cathedral or in the laboratory.” Collins just won the $1.3 million Templeton Prize, created in 1972 to promote reconciliation of science and spirituality. (See my posts on the Templeton Foundation here and here). This news gives me an excuse to post an interview I carried out with Collins for National Geographic in 2006, a time when Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and others were vigorously attacking religion. Below is an edited transcript of my conversation with Collins, which took place in Washington, D.C. I liked Collins, whom I found to be surprisingly unassuming for a man of such high stature. But I was disturbed by our final exchanges, in which he revealed a fatalistic outlook on humanity’s future. Collins, it seems, has lots of faith in God but not much in humanity. – John Horgan

Horgan: How does it feel to be at the white-hot center of the current debate between science and religion?

Collins: This increasing polarization between extremists on both ends of the atheism and belief spectrum has been heartbreaking to me. If my suggestion that there is a harmonious middle ground puts me at the white-hot center of debate--Hooray! It’s maybe a bit overdue.

Horgan: The danger in trying to appeal to people on both sides of a polarized debate is--

Collins: Bombs thrown at you from both directions!

Horgan: Has that happened?

Collins [sighs]: The majority have responded in very encouraging ways. But some of my scientific colleagues argue that it’s totally inappropriate for a scientist to write about religion, and we already have too much faith in public life in this country. And then I get some very strongly worded messages from fundamentalists who feel that I have compromised the literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and call me a false prophet. I’m diluting the truth and doing damage to the faith.

Horgan: Why do you think the debate has become so polarized?

Collins: It starts with an extreme articulation of a viewpoint on one side of the issue and that then results in a response that is also a little bit too extreme, and the whole thing escalates. Every action demands an equal and opposite reaction. This is one of Newton’s laws playing out in an unfortunate public scenario.

Horgan: I must admit that I’ve become more concerned lately about the harmful effects of religion because of religious terrorism like 9/11 and the growing power of the religious right in the United States.

Collins: What faith has not been used by demagogues as a club over somebody’s head? Whether it was the Inquisition or the Crusades on the one hand or the World Trade Center on the other? But we shouldn’t judge the pure truths of faith by the way they are applied any more than we should judge the pure truth of love by an abusive marriage. We as children of God have been given by God this knowledge of right and wrong, this “Moral Law,” which I see as a particularly compelling signpost to His existence. But we also have this thing called free will which we exercise all the time to break that law. We shouldn’t blame faith for the ways people distort it and misuse it.

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Horgan: Isn’t the problem when religions say, This is the only way to truth? Isn’t that what turns religious faith from something beautiful into something intolerant and hateful?

Collins: There is a sad truth there. I think we Christians have been way too ready to define ourselves as members of an exclusive club. I found truth, I found joy, I found peace in that particular conclusion, but I am not in any way suggesting that that is the conclusion everybody else should find. To have anyone say, “My truth is purer than yours,” that is both inconsistent with what I see in the person of Christ and incredibly off-putting. And quick to start arguments and fights and even wars! Look at the story of the Good Samaritan, which is a parable from Jesus himself. Jews would have considered the Samaritan to be a heretic, and yet clearly Christ’s message is: That is the person who did right and was justified in God’s eyes.

Horgan: How can you, as a scientist who looks for natural explanations of things and demands evidence, also believe in miracles, like the resurrection?

Collins: My first struggle was to believe in God. Not a pantheist God who is entirely enclosed within nature, or a Deist God who started the whole thing and then just lost interest, but a supernatural God who is interested in what is happening in our world and might at times choose to intervene. My second struggle was to believe that Christ was divine as He claimed to be. As soon as I got there, the idea that He might rise from the dead became a non-problem. I don’t have a problem with the concept that miracles might occasionally occur at moments of greatsignificance where there is a message being transmitted to us by God Almighty. But as a scientist I set my standards for miracles very high. And I don’t think we should try to convince agnostics or atheists about the reality of faith with claims about miracles that they can easily poke holes in.

Horgan: The problem I have with miracles is not just that they violate what science tells us about how the world works. They also make God seem too capricious. For example, many people believe that if they pray hard enough God will intercede to heal them or a loved one. But does that mean that all those who don’t get better aren’t worthy?

Collins: In my own experience as a physician, I have not seen a miraculous healing, and I don’t expect to see one. Also, prayer for me is not a way to manipulate God into doing what we want Him to do. Prayer for me is much more a sense of trying to get into fellowship with God. I’m trying to figure out what I should be doing rather than telling Almighty God what He should be doing. Look at the Lord’s Prayer. It says, “Thy will be done.” It wasn’t, “Our Father who are in Heaven, please get me a parking space.”

Horgan: Many people have a hard time believing in God because of the problem of evil. If God loves us, why is life filled with so much suffering?

Collins: That is the most fundamental question that all seekers have to wrestle with. First of all, if our ultimate goal is to grow, learn, discover things about ourselves and things about God, then unfortunately a life of ease is probably not the way to get there. I know I have learned very little about myself or God when everything is going well. Also, a lot of the pain and suffering in the world we cannot lay at God’s feet. God gave us free will, and we may choose to exercise it in ways that end up hurting other people.

Horgan: The physicist Steven Weinberg, who is an atheist, has written about this topic. He asks why six million Jews, including his relatives, had to die in the Holocaust so that the Nazis could exercise their free will.

Collins: If God had to intervene miraculously every time one of us chose to do something evil, it would be a very strange, chaotic, unpredictable world. Free will leads to people doing terrible things to each other. Innocent people die as a result. You can’t blame anyone except the evildoers for that. So that’s not God’s fault. The harder question is when suffering seems to have come about through no human ill action. A child with cancer, a natural disaster, a tornado or tsunami. Why would God not prevent those things from happening?
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Last year i experienced a medical miracle from God.

When i went for my yearly health screening in April 2023, my X rays showed that my lungs had some suspicious shades of fibrosis.
i was sent to meet up with pulmonary specialist who advised me to go for a CT scan.
Upon the CT scan, he told me that the suspicion of fibrosis was there. And that he needed to carry out a biopsy of the area in the lung. This biopsy had some risks. Lung could be punstured and result in internal bleeding, etc.

So, i decided to wait for another 3 months before another check up. Meanwhile, i approach another pulmonary specialist, who confirmed that a biopsy was needed to verify the suspicion.
There is NO CURE and NO REVERSAL OF LUNG FIBROSIS.

So, i prayed. I prayed to God our Father to at least allow me an opportunity to see my grand children before i go for good.
He led me to some obscure treatment of lung fibrosis in a Youtube vid.
i did my own medication protocol for 3 months leadning up to my checkup/review on 4th July.
Before i went to see the specialist, i went for the CT scan.

The specialist told me an excited voice: "i don't know how to explain to you. i have never seen this before in my practice, but your suspected fibrosis cannot be found in the scans anymore!"
i asked him whether there could be problem withe scans or X ray. He said it was unlikely that 2 scans could be worng.

PRAISE THE LORD! MIRACLES OF MIRACLES! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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Last year i experienced a medical miracle from God.

When i went for my yearly health screening in April 2023, my X rays showed that my lungs had some suspicious shades of fibrosis.
i was sent to meet up with pulmonary specialist who advised me to go for a CT scan.
Upon the CT scan, he told me that the suspicion of fibrosis was there. And that he needed to carry out a biopsy of the area in the lung. This biopsy had some risks. Lung could be punstured and result in internal bleeding, etc.

So, i decided to wait for another 3 months before another check up. Meanwhile, i approach another pulmonary specialist, who confirmed that a biopsy was needed to verify the suspicion.
There is NO CURE and NO REVERSAL OF LUNG FIBROSIS.

So, i prayed. I prayed to God our Father to at least allow me an opportunity to see my grand children before i go for good.
He led me to some obscure treatment of lung fibrosis in a Youtube vid.
i did my own medication protocol for 3 months leadning up to my checkup/review on 4th July.
Before i went to see the specialist, i went for the CT scan.

The specialist told me an excited voice: "i don't know how to explain to you. i have never seen this before in my practice, but your suspected fibrosis cannot be found in the scans anymore!"
i asked him whether there could be problem withe scans or X ray. He said it was unlikely that 2 scans could be worng.

PRAISE THE LORD! MIRACLES OF MIRACLES!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Amen,Praise God.
Seems many Docs will share this kind of miracle cure which they cant understand or explain too.
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You guys are hilarious, suddenly so many philosophical ktards.


Just passing through.

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Stephen Hawking is sohai, I can prove that god does exist.

When I pray to money god, and pay lots of money, I can get almost anyway thing that I wish, including heaven.
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QUOTE(gashout @ Jan 6 2024, 07:42 AM)
The book of ecclesiastes. Starts with

Everything is meaningless.

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Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
    says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
    Everything is meaningless.”

3 What do people gain from all their labors
    at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
    but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
    and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
    and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
    ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
    yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
    there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
    more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
    nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
    “Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
    it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
    and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
    by those who follow them.

My fav book in the Bible.
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The teachings in that book was believed to be written than a man named King Solomon himself which was the early founder of Free Masonry.

You work hard to build an empire only to allow others to enjoy them and you carry NOTHING when you die.

Humans believe they want to go to heaven but at the same time are scared to die. Instead they want to hog all the wealth and material as much as they can even to cheat, steal and murder to get ahead of one another. But when they know they are about to die they make up all excuse to repent and ask for forgiveness hoping they can enter heaven.

All the riches sometimes if you think of it which some people have, they can't even enjoy most of it and yet they hold on to them refuse to help others with the over excess or share it with people who are desperately needing it for emergencies. People of low IQ keeps wanting to populate the world keep breeding.

What do you want to live in a large mansion of palace wasting millions every year just on maintenance and security and want to own a showroom filled with cars which you never have enough time to use them all at once? End up you only want to display it to the public and show off your wealth?

It's like going to a buffet and swiping all the food on the table with the gunnysack bag you brought along all for yourself alone to eat. But you can only eat a few pieces of meat before your stomach is filled and the rest of the unfinished food will eventually be dumped away after going stale.

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god is something that 'exist without cause', anyone can find anything around u that have the same characteristic ?
obviously the answer is no then obviously we live in a 'causality world' ...n there is no god except your own imagination ...
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QUOTE(jibpek @ Jan 6 2024, 12:57 PM)
Stephen Hawking is sohai, I can prove that god does exist.

When I pray to money god, and pay lots of money, I can get almost anyway thing that I wish, including heaven.
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Believing that a Creator exist is not the problem.

The problem is religion itself which is created by man but used their own version of God to justify their laws for self gains.
That's the where the problem starts.

Some belief God as a invisible being who micromanages everything we do all except money, some belief he is a cow, some believe he is a super being disguising as a human, some believe he is a oversized baby playing marbles in the universe and some believe God is a woman.

Whose version of Creator is correct?

Everyone has their own version but when someone back in history as a dictator imposes His belief unto everyone else as blanket law and forces everyone to believe his version then that is where extremism and religion manipulation begins.

Why the Creator only chose to tell him to tell the rest of the world and not tell anyone? Why the omnipotent God who is still around chose to tell men only through history books and not to humans of current day?

Why God loves you but he prepared hell for those who disobey Him? He playing roulette with humans to pass time? laugh.gif


 

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