3K is individual income... sorry, I always think in terms of individual first, then household.
(household median income is like 6K rm )

Plus PADU should be based on individual declaration rite? many of us file taxes individually...

If read what he said, and that is also making a damn big ASSUMPTION that gov don't u-turn or pull a fast one by claiming you misunderstand the words coming out of their mouths,
he didn't say PADU data cannot be auto-prefilled and gov just use the prefilled database. Especially now we have news that 30 million already registered. hmmmmm

did anyone or rafizi specifically say that it has to be updated? to be more specific, did anyone state that the PADU database has to be acknowledged by the individual? (cos that is basically what happens if the data is prefilled accurately and the individual do not need to modify anything)

cos I remember something like he said if not updated, the data will be prefilled and they will base it on that data. Hence why earlier got some discussion about those who already qualify for subsidies should just wait and see...

tldr: malaysia is good in changing definition of words... or use the word to mean what they like. haha.

Sorry, would you mind pointing or just posting the excerpt of where it is mentioned? Cos I didn't read anything that states so explicitly. A lot of the statements by rafizi is beating around the bush type.
the earlier article: https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/12/...-database-nsttv


In fact, it turns out it was yourself who stated they will just use the prefilled data from other ministry at start of the month. Maybe you did read something that made you change your mind.

This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Jan 27 2024, 10:59 PM

no lar... you filled properly your taxes... cos there is no requirement to fill info about share dividend or epf or fds...

properties rental... hmmmm... that could be your downfall...
keep that in mind... or quick quick sell away or transfer away your rental properties...

like copying what US academia likes to use: bell curve grading...

what I know is using disposal income without normalization is the wrong.
using purely active income without taking into account of passive income and net worth also wrong.

that's why I am a believer in UBI... pay everyone with a income tax file say 100 rm per month tax credit/refund, which they can take out every month, and just remove all subsidies and increase income tax by 2% absolute.

(no one will be left behind.... hah)

u mean kopitiam standard way of "talking" right?

unfortunately, I am a believer in GST... there is a need for consumption tax in Malaysia... this silly SST up for this but not that is silly and inefficient... tax needs to be simple so that there are no abuses.

in same time, I see no harm in increasing income tax rate for those earning above a certain threshold (also most probably cos I am no longer working... haha).

This year I have not purchased anything from overseas yet via laz or shopee, but I think for now, the cost is being absorbed by the sellers just cos their margin is take it. Just my guess. But this is another stupid move... so called help bring 200 million rm revenue... u and I know for a country, this is pure spare change... just damn stupid this initiative and in same time causes rise in inflation. (10% can only collect 200 million, so it is only a 2 billion goods coming in only).

So at end, PADU looks like a veil attempt by gov to collect data on her citizen only... cos LHDN data should be the most accurate. just get everyone to file taxes, and the rest is easier to solve.

This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Jan 28 2024, 02:24 PM

i definitely syukur and will not update... cos currently getting STR and i-saraan... so why rock the boat... wait till they announce their criteria...

(i half believe those who are receiving STR and file income tax will continue to receive the subsidies... half believe... )

sure, I support...

but the problem is this silly gov will then go do something silly like give everyone with lesser than 10K in epf extra 500rm.

removing subsidies and then intro new silly ones... not going to help much.

lol

So now does it mean me, already receiving STR, will be eligible for subsidies?

Pity those who had disclose their info. Another great database for hackers to get their hands on. Thanks madani gov.

not sure if the engine cc matters... cos my car's cc is 2.0, and I still qualify for STR.

it may just be the brand only that matters... which doesn't make sense.

ah ok... lucky...

joke is... those already receiving will continue to receive.... if they didn't fall into the trick of updating PADU...

so technically the subsidies at national lvl will most probably remain or go up if they didn't change the quantum at individual level.

This must thank the EM for being smart. If no reason to update since been telling every M40 and T20 that they won't get subsidies, then why poor M40 in PJ want to update? M40 in PJ maybe actually bottom T20 at national level.

Rural ones sure uptick cos they don't have income tax files most probably.

So I think subsidies at country level won't go down.

Really? I think the B40 and M40 consume more. Just medical treatments we can gauge.

and that is what annoys me... blasting like an idiot saying subsidies only for bottom B40... M40 and T20 will not get a single cent.

and then now play the non game... why nons not registering, indirectly implying that T20 are made up of nons only.

and in same time, cannot even guarantee that info won't be leaked or sold or worst still, used by current and future gov for witch hunts. Imagine MACC knock on your door and ask you to prove this and that.

and in same time, blaming non for his PADU being unable to collect enough data.... And in same time said no PADU, no subsidies... so the M40 and T20 don't want subsidies ... and now blame them for not filling data.... they should fill the database for what???? ops... i also pening kepala already... brain cannot compute... hahaha

from the article you linked.

Ahmad Maslan says in 2022, consumption of fuel by the B40 was only 24%, compared to 41% by the M40 and 35% by the T20.

hence by stats, T20 didn't use up the majority of the subsidies... lol

that was not your statement...

you said highest subsidy consumption is by t20, implying the bulk of the subsidies were used by t20.
same idea like highest gdp is SG or MY?

per capita, sure I can agree.

It is like T20 pays the most taxes and spends the most. hence any subsidies that is basically consumption based will be used by them the most, especially on per capita basis.

This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Mar 18 2024, 06:38 PM