Hello bikers

Would like to get some feedback especially from those who have both scooter and kapchai.

Is the fuel consumption really that different?

Example, comparing to the same class

4l on honda dash 125
4l on vario 125

Will the distance covered by the 4l be really huge like 50km? or just a difference of 10 - 15km?

Thanks for sharing.

This post has been edited by Randomboi: Dec 6 2023, 05:09 PM

Its fuel consumption.
If oil consumption there is something wrong with ur moto and needs overhaul.

If u ask me the fuel consumption for scooter or kapcai is not much unless u ride long distance on highway.

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: Dec 6 2023, 04:39 PM

vario 160, 5L 200km

If u're lookin for long distance forget the vario bruhh

This post has been edited by Koptsev112: Dec 6 2023, 04:30 PM

Whoops. My bad. Thanks for the correction.

So basically at lower speed, fuel consumption should be the same.

At higher speed is where there's a significant difference.

That should be ~40km per litre

My lc can go 140km for 3l which equates to ~46km per litre

So not that big of a difference i guess.

Dash 125 fuel consumption as claimed by honda : 61 km/l

Vario 125 fuel consumption as claimed by honda: 51.7 km/l

I dunno how that translates into real world fuel consumption rate but my dash125 consistently got around 49 - 53 km/l of fuel consumption with my riding average speed of 70 - 95 kmh. Just want to share my input la..

correct. not much difference.
but bigger tank give you more mileage.

another example from me, suzuki belang 3.8L ~160km ≈ 42km/L
but belang, need to refuel twice per week while vario once per week (base on km ride).

Bike - compression ratio, tank size, published full tank distance:
Vario - 10.6, 5.5L, 284km
Dash - compression 9.3, 4.3L, 262km

Real world distance per tank will be a huge difference, I'll definitely take the Vario
- when the bike reach low fuel, the Vario used 4.7L while Dash used 3.5L
- that's 34% in tank size relative to Dash
- FC wise, Dash is 15% better
- effective distance to low fuel, Vario will go further than Dash

Maintenance wise, the CVT will need tender whenever something feels wrong, quickly need to check so the pulley system won't makan. Can take up to 500 to service, repair or replace

Just a quick mention, my 400cc scooter is 20~22km/L with 15L tank. It goes 250km to low fuel, consuming 10L. It consumes twice the amount of kapcai, but travels almost similar distance per tank...

Yeah. Advertisement always exaggerate. Like huawei watch claim 14 days but need to turn off all features.

53km/l isnt that bad. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for sharing. Very insightful information. 15% isnt that significant i guess.

Yeah. Am considering to add scooter to my inventory and have considered the additional service cost. However, after joining several scooter group and feedback from friends, apparently scooter consumed more fuel. So wanna triangulate this information to see how significant it is since i dont think i'll be interested if i have to consider both the additional cost for service and the additional cost of fuel (if significant).

Very clear information. Thanks again for sharing.

Sym Cruisym 250cc, RM19.00 of petrol, 330km, fuel gauge light on, can still travel about 25-30km (tried that before). Michelin City Grip 2 tyre.

(during the stock tyre, Maxxis brand, mileage can only reach 290-300km when light on)

why are you considering a scooter in the first place? you should ask the groups and friends, if they will go back to kapcai or stay with scooter

TS, scooter bike is meant for ez riding(not fuel saving) becoz of automatic transmissions(CVT).

The frequency of CVT maintenance depends on riding habits too.

Abusive riding habits means frequent maintenance for CVT.
Clean up dusts & debris inside the crankcase, Belt checking & etc.

Want another automatic transmission beside CVT? Be Prepared to pay hefty amount of $$$ for DCT bike.

Yamaha Nouvo LC scoot. Dr Pulley weights 12g, Yamaha Indo belt. YSS rear shocks. Everything else standard 3 - 3.5 litre RON 95 per 100 km at between 60 - 80 km/h. Full tank is only 4.5 litre, so maximum about 160 km on a full tank till dry. Maintenance so far isn't that bad actually.

standard is how many gram?
you using the round pulley or slider type?

It really perplexes me why people are concerned about fuel consumption on a kapchai Vs a small scooter....you are probably not going to rack up monster mileage on a small bike anyway.

The difference isnt that significant. More of a concern is tank size and range.

Even for my Dominar, fuel consumption albeit a bit high isn't a real concern since I've been saving a few hundred in fuel bills per month switching to it from a car.

Considering a full fill up still cost less than a cup of starbux.

However, range remains a bug bear for me..considering I seldom get to ride 2 hours straight without having to stop for fill ups.

different ppl buy bikes and put in different considerations

different stroke for different folks

I also never imagined I'd buy a scooter and here I am a proud owner of a maxi scoot

my arsenal consists of that scooter, a few 2 strokes and another 4 stroke machine, and I can say, I've worked on improving fuel economy on the 2 strokes for many years, and reached to 40km/L at one time, I now keep them because they're highly repairable, and more fun that most bikes

Standard 11 gram. Dr Pulley is slider type. Cost about RM 80. Better top speed by about 5 km/h

my std 25g roller, put 26g slider, wish I had gone even heavier

Most have kapchai already and they said they enjoy the scooter due to ease of riding i.e. no need to think about changing gear. I'm planning to use for chill town ride since i have to travel between two states. The state where i stay i have car and bike. The current state i have to stay inbetween for few weeks no transportation yet so planning to get scooter.

Initially dont mind the additional cost for service since its not that much until like 15k milleage where i need to also change belting. Suddenly got new information about fuel consumption. But now should be clear already not that significant. Will go for scooter if the price is right.

Yeah. Initially it wasnt an issue until i got contradicting information especially its on the extreme end like full tank not even 100km and people agreeing with it. Wanna investigate further that why i started the topic.

scooter is really good for town or small city use, without highways and many stop go traffic

if full tank not even 100km, you'll have to wonder which scooter model and maintenance of the bike, to me, clearly, there is something wrong with the bike, or the tank is very small, like 3.2L but the owner considered 2.5L as full tank, and a lot of red light stops, even that is also around 40km/L (100km / 2.5L)

some scooters have start stop, such as the PCX

a more suitable reference for you would be, as I shared earlier, my 400cc scooter, 20~22km/L city ride
no other scooter (single cylinder) should be worse than this, otherwise something is wrong with the scooter

just to chip in,

my vario150 could get average 50-55km/L on city & town rides, with 4.5-5L tank refill every 200-220 km.
i did not ride fast and mostly travel at 80-90 km/h.

now that i use zontes 350e, i can get average 30km/L, with 10-12L refill at 350 km, mix city & highway rides 80-120 km/h

You see, sometimes bad fuel range is just plainly due to speed and throttle opening. The faster you go the more fuel you use.

For a small bike on bigger roads and highways 100kmh is basically maxing out the engine full throttle all the time. And coupled with a small tank, 100kms per tank isn't a surprise. I get half the mileage at full throttle than cruising at the speed limit.

Ultimately it's just how we ride. Malaysian riders ride much faster than our neighbours. It's not uncommon to see kapchais zooming past 100kmh all the time. Smaller bikes are never designed for higher speeds...they usually only meant to go 60 for city roads...that's what the brakes and tyres are designed for anyway.