No, stop clinging to old stuff, newer tech is good enough to reduce turbo lag even on small displacement engine, well set up small turbo = barely noticeable turbo lag
I have driven 2.5L, 3.0L NA with 200-250hp *Unfortunately no luxury to experience 4.0L+ yet
I have driven old school 2.0T with big turbo lag
I have driven modern small (also tiny) displacement turbo
I have driven modern small displacement turbo with electric assist
I know how big difference of new/old tech. Driven them in dynamic situations well enough to know when the lag is barely noticeable, and when the weakness is amplified with lag at its worst.
Yeah, and I'm telling you modern cars are getting smarter to compensate the lack of driver capability.
Just step on the accelerator pedal it just goes without lugging.
Auto downshift auto RPM spike auto full spool turbo ready to go effortlessly.
Smarter, yes totally with you.
I think I said this before. Modern transmission with fancy 8->2 direct shift is designed exactly for regular driver that trying to lug the engine.
Just I'm not the fans of dependent on step on accelerator then TCU downshift behavior.
It mess with the enter corner rhythm. Yes, new smarter AI downshift upon braking. Just still not all modern cars do that.
Question is how many gear to downshift?
Like Elantra Sport most of the time 4->3 upon braking. In slow speed hairpin, 2 vs 3 situations. Sometime I manual downshift additionally to 2, sometimes I don't, it depends.
On the case when 2 is needed, if I don't help the AI. It would be brake TCU 4->3, past Apex and during the exit TCU 3->2. Not smooth.
Then the Volvo with Polestar Engineered tune shifting is just awesome and spot on in almost all situations. But then the Sport mode (Actually named Polestar Engineered mode in car) is un-drive-able on normal road without manually short shift.
Guess no perfect world. Or BMW way with multitier Sport, Sport Plus.
agree with you on the efficiency of the turbo engine. i got 20km/l from penang back to KL.
160k km, i dont think i have done washing the throttle body
160k time for walnut blasting. Direct injection engines need to clean carbon every once in a while because of the design. No product can clean it unless take apart engine and blast with walnut shells.
Why don't you shift the question as an answer? CVT.
F1 had CVT and was banned. Why?
CVT took out the gearing equation that many were still struggling.
It was so good and boring that, Honda introduced fake shifts to spice things up. Totally unnecessary. But not everyone in the market understands and demands utmost efficiency.
I'd go a stretch and claim, Proton post Geely punch is so good that I've never ever felt the need for pedal shifters. The era of Preve / Suprima where they actually offered pedal Shifters were so bad, i went with manual Inspira and never looked back over 10 years ago. Manual is the way to go for me and if it isn't manual, the next best thing is whatever that's efficient and convenient that my manual doesn't offer. (And currently, latest Honda CVT drive train is a clear winner to me, with Proton punch a close second)
Why don't you shift the question as an answer? CVT.
Engine braking and my brain process corner speed with gear number and rpm (sound) rather than speed itself.
Sometime I take short glance at speed, but just look. Action still driven by gear number, rpm (and others).
Give my CVT also I rather sequentially shift. Being said that, I only driven EV in city and wild wild west freeway. Not sure what to take on the sense of speed on winding road yet.
BTW, at high speed eg:. 200km/h corner proceeding from a even higher speed straight, I have totally no clue how to handle those. I think I will freak out when I finally make the green hell visit. For sure hire an instructor, lol.
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BTW, at high speed eg:. 200km/h corner proceeding from a even higher speed straight, I have totally no clue how to handle those. I think I will freak out when I finally make the green hell visit. For sure hire an instructor, lol.
Got Karak highway and Sepang if your machine is really capable.
Engine braking and my brain process corner speed with gear number and rpm (sound) rather than speed itself.
Sometime I take short glance at speed, but just look. Action still driven by gear number, rpm (and others).
Give my CVT also I rather sequentially shift. Being said that, I only driven EV in city and wild wild west freeway. Not sure what to take on the sense of speed on winding road yet.
BTW, at high speed eg:. 200km/h corner proceeding from a even higher speed straight, I have totally no clue how to handle those. I think I will freak out when I finally make the green hell visit. For sure hire an instructor, lol.
i think you going to like Hyundai N DCT version car as most of the review ( obviously i didn't try it since cant afford to import 1 over here ) praise the smart gearbox.
Got Karak highway and Sepang if your machine is really capable.
No need green hell.
Sepang has places with low speed corner, follow by a long high speed sweep bend that one can accelerate to 200+ in the bend given a powerful car. Or long straight goes brake into a hair pin, with others mid speed 100+ corners.
Nordschleife is a bit different from usual GP track. It got a few long straight that goes into 5th-6th gear, some powerful car can reach top speed, then proceeding by a quick high speed turn. Some places 2 consecutive bends that treated a single long sweep, again after the long straight.
One example is after Aremberg, flat out down downhill Foxhole, Adenauer forest through few chicanes. Then a left bend uphill (slight lift off for high power road car, flat out for race car and low power car), followed by another quick left turn around 200 (some brake, maybe downshift to 5, make sure smooth and don't lock the rear wheel).
2nd example is after Pflanzgarten jump then right turn, left bend, then off you go, I remember the corners, but just don't know how to describe them. You can search yourself. 3rd example is Kesselchen the famous hillclimb section, 3 left bends flat out, a right bend flat out, then the interesting part is near the top with non flat out quick left turn at around 200 (maybe downshift to 5 depends on car), follow by a quick right turn flat out. **Then slow down to a sub 100 mid/slow speed turn, before entering the banked Carousel everyone seen on video.
Tourist usually take those bends at slower 160'ish, leaving more margin on the table. Still plenty fast.
Yes, Karak highway and also somewhere near Ipoh area. But not going for that on public road. Despite I'm not a good speed obey boy, still refrain from taking bends at those speed on public road.
Sepang has places with low speed corner, follow by a long high speed sweep bend that one can accelerate to 200+ in the bend given a powerful car. Or long straight goes brake into a hair pin, with others mid speed 100+ corners.
Nordschleife is a bit different from usual GP track.
Yes, Karak highway and also somewhere near Ipoh area. But not going for that on public road. Despite I'm not a good speed obey boy, still refrain from taking bends at those speed on public road.
Can't help you there bro Nürburgring is too far fetched to me and definitely not something accessible on a daily/weekly/monthly basis.
I am also not interested in sims with the sole reason that there's no rig capable of properly simulating a manual shifting sensation, both gear shifting and/or clutch actuation, either that or those that are capable are out of my financial capability.
My point still stands that modern CVT today are good enough to not necessitate pedal Shifters or lock ratios. That's just the direction moving forward similarly to how hybrids and EV can be very capable sportingly despite most of them don't even have a gearbox via KERS/brake regen/electric motors output modulations. Hell, i personally don't like that direction either especially how they are doing away with manual gears and to an extent sports cars.
And coming back to this topic anyways - the Civic FC is definitely not as smart or efficient as the FE but it isn't completely junk and if you still cannot deal with it, there's always manual controls via pedal Shifters and locking the CVT ratios
This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 15 2023, 05:46 PM