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 Fuel Subsidy CUT: diesel and then RON95, A lot of talk but will we walk the walk?

Do you think our country have the guts to do it?
 
Yes, like very soon (2024) [ 27 ] ** [25.47%]
Very Likely (some delay is still to be expected) [ 34 ] ** [32.08%]
Wait and See (the government will keep delaying) [ 23 ] ** [21.70%]
No way (only talks socks sing song) [ 16 ] ** [15.09%]
Absolutely never (it will be suicidal to the grand scheme of things) [ 6 ] ** [5.66%]
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TSEnergyAnalyst
post Dec 1 2023, 04:17 PM, updated 4h ago

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This seems to come on and off. Here is the latest notice.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...inequity/104433

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Rafizi confirms new RON95 subsidy programme will be announced next year to address inequity


This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Dec 4 2023, 09:02 AM
General_Nic
post Dec 1 2023, 04:41 PM

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sure will implement, but next GE tukar gomen lagi then u-turn lagi
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post Dec 1 2023, 05:02 PM

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U take away subsidy. U need to put back to make free toll highway and car tax. U cant have both.
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post Dec 1 2023, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(qsub @ Dec 1 2023, 05:02 PM)
U take away subsidy. U need to put back to make free toll highway and car tax. U cant have both.
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agreed, if you take it without giving/free something else, RIP
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post Dec 1 2023, 05:22 PM

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The issues is how do they define the T20? I was told as long household income is over 12k per mth, then will be defined as T20, if there is true, pls ask rubbishzi to come Bukit Bintang after he implement his stupid policy, see how would ppl spit on his face.

Any couple who work in Klang valley can easily earn over 12k a mth, but a household with 12k is still consider poor in Klang valley as we need to pay for inflated groceries, house loan, and education fees.
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post Dec 1 2023, 05:25 PM

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So in conclusion, mat rampit no need to work so hard as long they are above 18 years old as voter, and should be entitled to pump cheap petrol with T20 tax payers money, for them to continue be superman on highway. It is SUBSIDIZED by rubbishzi.

Even wan to lick their balls for vote also lick in nicer way la pls

This post has been edited by Jingle91: Dec 1 2023, 05:27 PM
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post Dec 1 2023, 06:17 PM

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How would they differentiate T20 from the B/M40 at petrol stations?
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post Dec 1 2023, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Dec 1 2023, 05:25 PM)
So in conclusion,  mat rampit no need to work so hard as long they are above 18 years old as voter, and should be entitled to pump cheap petrol with T20 tax payers money, for them to continue be superman on highway. It is SUBSIDIZED by rubbishzi.

Even wan to lick their balls for vote also lick in nicer way la pls
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Mat rempit have no intention to work hard. They are born this way.
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post Dec 1 2023, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(qsub @ Dec 1 2023, 05:02 PM)
U take away subsidy. U need to put back to make free toll highway and car tax. U cant have both.
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A lot of angry T20 but the government wants to win mainly the B40 Group vote because they are predominant in this country.
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post Dec 1 2023, 06:23 PM

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The government should consider eliminating all fuel subsidies altogether, rather than implementing selective subsidies for specific groups of people. The current subsidy system encourages private transport ownership, but if redirected wisely, the funds saved from these subsidies could be invested in enhancing public transportation infrastructure.

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post Dec 1 2023, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Dec 1 2023, 06:23 PM)
The government should consider eliminating all fuel subsidies altogether, rather than implementing selective subsidies for specific groups of people. The current subsidy system encourages private transport ownership, but if redirected wisely, the funds saved from these subsidies could be invested in enhancing public transportation infrastructure.
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I've said this before.
Malaysia should had followed what Singapore did - Introduce COE .
Zero fuel subsidy in Singapore.

Yes its cruel, but thats how Singapore control its car population in the country. Can't afford COE, means cant afford a car.
However their bus and MRT is fabulous. Buses are on time unlike our RapidKL "Guess what time they arrive" .

Here - Zero downpayment and 9 years car loan. Any tomdick and harry without salary slip, can be kawtim.

Thats how bad our citizens are pampered.
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post Dec 1 2023, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Dec 1 2023, 05:22 PM)
The issues is how do they define the T20? I was told as long household income is over 12k per mth, then will be defined as T20, if there is true, pls ask rubbishzi to come Bukit Bintang after he implement his stupid policy, see how would ppl spit on his face.

Any couple who work in Klang valley can easily earn over 12k a mth, but a household with 12k is still consider poor in Klang valley as we need to pay for inflated groceries, house loan, and education fees.
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Lower than 12k, bro.
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The T20 is defined by the Department of Statistics as a household with a combined income of at least RM10,960 a month.

Data in 2020 showed that the median income of households in Malaysia is RM5,209 while the mean is RM7,089. The mean income of households in the Federal Territories of Putrajaya and Kuala Lumpur exceeded the T20 bracket (RM12,322 and RM11,720 respectively).




https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...inequity/104433
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post Dec 2 2023, 04:31 AM

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QUOTE(pcdoctor_my @ Dec 1 2023, 08:16 PM)
I've said this before.
Malaysia should had followed what Singapore did - Introduce COE .
Zero fuel subsidy in Singapore.

Yes its cruel, but thats how Singapore control its car population in the country. Can't afford COE, means cant afford a car.
However their bus and MRT is fabulous. Buses are on time unlike our RapidKL "Guess what time they arrive" .

Here - Zero downpayment and 9 years car loan. Any tomdick and harry without salary slip, can be kawtim.

Thats how bad our citizens are pampered.
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COE was designed to limit the number of passenger cars.
It will not work so well in Malaysia because much of the government's income revenue derives from sales of passenger vehicles (Estimated to be around RM 2 Billion+-).
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post Dec 2 2023, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Dec 1 2023, 04:41 PM)
sure will implement, but next GE tukar gomen lagi then u-turn lagi
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we had no choice , tukar here tukar there will be the same lol.gif
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post Dec 2 2023, 10:57 AM

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and b40s continue to be parasites without tax contribution
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post Dec 2 2023, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(pcdoctor_my @ Dec 1 2023, 08:16 PM)
I've said this before.
Malaysia should had followed what Singapore did - Introduce COE .
Zero fuel subsidy in Singapore.

Yes its cruel, but thats how Singapore control its car population in the country. Can't afford COE, means cant afford a car.
However their bus and MRT is fabulous. Buses are on time unlike our RapidKL "Guess what time they arrive" .

Here - Zero downpayment and 9 years car loan. Any tomdick and harry without salary slip, can be kawtim.

Thats how bad our citizens are pampered.
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You come to rural area and take bus or mrt!

You think whole Malaysia is like Singapore or KL, got good public transport?

Don’t make transportation decisions from metropolitan perspective !

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post Dec 2 2023, 11:29 AM

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To me, if want to take away subsidy, take all away..

Don't just subsidize a certain segment of the society.
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post Dec 2 2023, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 2 2023, 11:29 AM)
To me, if want to take away subsidy, take all away..

Don't just subsidize a certain segment of the society.
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agreed, too bad they will never do it out of political reasons
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post Dec 2 2023, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 2 2023, 11:29 AM)
To me, if want to take away subsidy, take all away..

Don't just subsidize a certain segment of the society.
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QUOTE(bigduck @ Dec 2 2023, 02:41 PM)
agreed, too bad they will never do it out of political reasons
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https://mier.org.my/rafizi-govt-to-roll-out...0subsidy%20card.


IF I decipher this correctly, government may just do take away all if not a big portion of the subsidy and provide subsidy car only to targeted group.

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The programme will be implemented using three mechanisms, which are based on individual net disposable income, net disposable household income through social protection or assistance schemes, as well as a combination of household and individual earnings, which will be implemented using a subsidy card.


So my take is subsidy card will be issued like how they issue diesel subsidy car to fisherman....To whomever they deemed still need help



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post Dec 4 2023, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 2 2023, 03:37 PM)
https://mier.org.my/rafizi-govt-to-roll-out...0subsidy%20card.
IF I decipher this correctly, government may just do take away all if not a big portion of the subsidy and provide subsidy car only to targeted group.
So my take is subsidy card will be issued like how they issue diesel subsidy car to fisherman....To whomever they deemed still need help
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They should just remove all.
Then no need the administration headache to implement, monitor and enforce. Better way to use that manpower on something more productive.

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