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 Singapore's founding fathers are mostly Malaysians, It was Malaysians that made Singapore

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jay
post Nov 15 2023, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ Nov 14 2023, 01:16 PM)
hard to say. If sinkie never left, parliament would have been more evenly balanced with LKY leading a more effective non-Malaya group including sabah & sarawak MPs

maybe 3S + DAP + Gerakan could have been better at blocking BN's excesses.
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this is what I said before, LKY choose the easy path instead leading nons+broneo against Malay agenda, the real war
hksgmy
post Nov 15 2023, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(jay @ Nov 15 2023, 07:16 AM)
this is what I said before, LKY choose the easy path instead leading nons+broneo against Malay agenda, the real war
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Not his war to fight… at least not without countless casualties in the form of the lives of the Nons. It’s good that he packed up and left when he did.
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post Nov 15 2023, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 15 2023, 07:41 AM)
Not his war to fight… at least not without countless casualties in the form of the lives of the Nons. It’s good that he packed up and left when he did.
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if he is true good leader he should have no fear, but apparently he is not
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post Nov 15 2023, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(jay @ Nov 15 2023, 07:42 AM)
if he is true good leader he should have no fear, but apparently he is not
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That's your opinion to which you're certainly entitled.

Just note that countless other world leaders and countries would disagree with you, and in my opinion (to which I'm certainly similarly entitled), with good reason.


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post Nov 15 2023, 09:31 AM

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Tapi orang singapok tk boleh masuk syurga.
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post Nov 15 2023, 09:45 AM

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I realised all chinese in Malaysia comes from China. We are China!!!

On serious note:
Stop this kind of bullshit please, history never ends if you keep digging. End up we all come from Europe.
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post Nov 15 2023, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(jay @ Nov 15 2023, 07:42 AM)
if he is true good leader he should have no fear, but apparently he is not
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i would not call it fear, more that he was only concerned with Singapore's national interest.

He promised heaven & earth to convince S&S to join Malaysia because it was in Singapore's interest to be part of a bigger country. Then when things became difficult with UMNO and Singapore could survive in its own, they became collateral damage who were no longer useful to Singapore.

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post Nov 15 2023, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Kayacrab @ Nov 14 2023, 11:35 AM)
Toh Chin Chye - from Batu Gajah, Perak
Goh Keng Swee - from Malacca
Devan Nair - from Malacca
Yusof Ishak - from Taiping, Perak
Ong Eng Guan - from Malacca
Ong Pang Boon - from Kuala Lumpur
Ahmad Ibrahim  - from Penang
Hon Sui Sen - from Penang
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Honourable mentions:

Wee Kheng Chiang, founder of UOB, from Kuching, Sarawak
J. Y. Pillay, founding chairman of Singapore Airlines, from Klang
T. T. Rajah - from Sri Lanka
S. Rajatranam - from Sri Lanka

What does this tell you? Singapore is not special. Malaysians made Singapore. People should stop putting down Malaysia and Malaysians. Even today, countless "Singaporean" companies (e.g. Grab), politicians, prominent figures, sportspeople, are from Malaysia. Singapore, past and present, is NOTHING without Malaysia and Malaysians.


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But any idea why these special people didn't remain in Malaysia?
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post Nov 15 2023, 09:55 AM

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can see current malaysia system purposely put a speed limiter from letting it go higher, so the helang can profit from it ?
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post Nov 15 2023, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Knight_2008 @ Nov 15 2023, 09:48 AM)
But any idea why these special people didn't remain in Malaysia?
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because they knew Malaysia in decades later is beyond saving...
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post Nov 15 2023, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ Nov 15 2023, 09:47 AM)
i would not call it fear, more that he was only concerned with Singapore's national interest.

He promised heaven & earth to convince S&S to join Malaysia because it was in Singapore's interest to be part of a bigger country. Then when things became difficult with UMNO and Singapore could survive in its own, they became collateral damage who were no longer useful to Singapore.
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According to his memoirs, he wasn’t convinced that Singapore could survive on its own - but he’d rather take a stab at it and make his own destiny than to rely on someone else to make it for him and Singapore.

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