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Susceptible with clutch pump leakWhich is troublesome because it’s located inside gearbox
Proton Saga vs Perodua Bezza, which one better?
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Nov 5 2023, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Nov 3 2023, 06:28 PM) even if it has toyota DNA, doesn't mean it's good DNA. Good enuff for most of people worldwide for sure. Bad dna is those lemon unit. Every car brand have lemon unit for sure.your poop also got your DNA, doesn't make it a good nutritional food. the whole, "it has toyota DNA, so it's good" mentality is so outdated. bezza is 1 of the worst car out there cuz it's just so dangerous. good FC? questionable. if u driving alone, sure. but if i hav any load, FC goes out the window, cuz that's how it is wit small underpowered engine. & part of the reason it achieve good FC on paper is the use skinny "fuel saving" tire that has less grip. couple that wit narrow & tall body, it's a recipe for accident. it's no coincidence that a lot of accident involves P2. handling & grip. If not, Toyota wouldnt be the best seller car in the world. Bezza so far best seller sedan for 2023. Maibi also lose already. Different people different view on every car. Me myself oso dun like bezza cos fugly design. Saga oso fugly for me. Just tat i dun deny the fact tat is already very clear. |
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Nov 5 2023, 08:35 PM
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I sometimes use Grab if malas drive. Whenever I ride Bezza, always feel like vomiting although only a short 14 km journey from my home in KL to my office in Damansara. Not sure why even if the driver drive it slowly. Saga okay acceptable.
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Nov 5 2023, 08:56 PM
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bezza grab = all bush longgar
can hear suspension proton better but drink more oil proton comfort > bezza This post has been edited by and85rew: Nov 5 2023, 09:00 PM |
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Nov 7 2023, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Nov 3 2023, 04:21 AM) This is very wrong advice. Saga can only achieve 4 stars ASEAN NCAP, Bezza is 5 stars. Scientifically and factually speaking Bezza is safer than Saga. That's only crash test, not even counting ADAS system which Saga and Persona dont have. Saga actually can get 5 star ASEAN NCAP but simply cannot because P1 so kedekut.1. P1 doesn't equip all variant with seat belt reminder (SBR) for front passenger (compulsory for 5 star) 2. P1 sent the test unit with the non ESC spec (compulsory for 5 star) If they retest with this 2 spec included, surely can get 5 star And I think P2 mis advertised their Bezza for 5 star which only AV variant get 5 star You can google at ASEAN NCAP web and see Bezza got 5 star & 4 star rating (this one no SBR for Fr passenger & ESC) This post has been edited by nazmiesukasuki: Nov 7 2023, 11:00 PM |
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Nov 8 2023, 08:02 AM
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How about spare parts available for Saga MC2. No problems kan? What are the common problems for Saga after 3-5 years?
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Nov 8 2023, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Nov 3 2023, 06:28 PM) even if it has toyota DNA, doesn't mean it's good DNA. U need to change ur mindset la. Of course Toyota is legendary when it comes to reliability and fuel efficiency. your poop also got your DNA, doesn't make it a good nutritional food. the whole, "it has toyota DNA, so it's good" mentality is so outdated. bezza is 1 of the worst car out there cuz it's just so dangerous. good FC? questionable. if u driving alone, sure. but if i hav any load, FC goes out the window, cuz that's how it is wit small underpowered engine. & part of the reason it achieve good FC on paper is the use skinny "fuel saving" tire that has less grip. couple that wit narrow & tall body, it's a recipe for accident. it's no coincidence that a lot of accident involves P2. handling & grip. Thats why ppl say it has toyota DNA so of course its good. Comparing that with ur own shit is really stupid and childish. Doesnt even make sense . U must be one of those failures in school. Bezza is fuel efficient, easy to drive, reliable and thats what most buyers at that price range want. They are not looking for a superb handling car, they are not looking for a "harder body" car. Remember, u are not racing on the roads everyday. They need a reliable car to go from A to B . And thats why Bezza is the best seller. Its just that good. Whoever buys Saga in 2023 is really retarded. Its an unreliable car using cheap China technology and it drinks fuel like a 1.8L car. After 1 year, the whole car is rattling everywhere like its gng to break apart nebula87 liked this post
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Nov 8 2023, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE(h0riz0nLine @ Nov 4 2023, 08:29 PM) Regardless of what you heard about Proton’s VVT engine (not Geely’s) and yet according to my cousin repair shop, saga is the most frequent customerIt is tried and tested over decade of minor improvements starting with Campro Proton’s engine can last 200,000km easily with fairly minor maintenance (timing belt) and repair (oil leak) while you can expect sensor faulty in Bezza’s around 50,000km If you decided on Proton Saga, my advise for you is to avoid manual transmission model proton can't be more reliable than those japs car,the amount of engineering went behind is more than our local engineering, it not even on par |
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Nov 8 2023, 08:39 AM
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Off topic: I have been driving a bezza (2020 advance model) for quite some time, but only recently when I was driving on a slope, I realized when I let go the brake, the car was falling backwards.
All this while, Perodua mentioned the car has "hill-start assist" which prevents this from happening, so what's the deal? Is this how the car is supposed to act? Or is the feature not working on my car? This post has been edited by Bananahead: Nov 8 2023, 08:42 AM |
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Nov 8 2023, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Nov 8 2023, 08:31 AM) and yet according to my cousin repair shop, saga is the most frequent customer Of course frequent proton can't be more reliable than those japs car,the amount of engineering went behind is more than our local engineering, it not even on par It’s cheap so many people bought it Cheap to maintain, abundance of spare parts on market. Not denying the reliability of the jap cars But if you got 40,000 to spare for new car Choose proton |
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Nov 8 2023, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(h0riz0nLine @ Nov 8 2023, 08:39 AM) Of course frequent it's cheap so many bought it? more than p2? last i checked saga not even in top 3 listingIt’s cheap so many people bought it Cheap to maintain, abundance of spare parts on market. Not denying the reliability of the jap cars But if you got 40,000 to spare for new car Choose proton if u got 40k for segment A or B, most likely u gonna upgrade to x50 or vios in the future please choose rv and reliable over these 5 to 7 years if u won't upgrade and use it forever, then can use saga |
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Nov 8 2023, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Nov 8 2023, 08:39 AM) Off topic: I have been driving a bezza (2020 advance) for quite some time, but only recently when I was driving on a slope, I realized when I let go the brake, the car was falling backwards. Doesn’t work that way All this while, Perodua mentioned the car has "hill-start assist" which prevents this from happening, so what's the deal? Is this how the car is supposed to act? Or is the feature not working on my car? Brake still need to be pressed to prevent rolling HSA will function after u release brake and press the accelerator Source: google |
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Nov 8 2023, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(h0riz0nLine @ Nov 8 2023, 08:44 AM) Doesn’t work that way Oh ok, then maybe all this while I misinterpreted. But if that's the case, what's the difference with cars without HSA? Lol.Brake still need to be pressed to prevent rolling HSA will function after u release brake and press the accelerator Source: google |
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Nov 8 2023, 08:23 AM) U need to change ur mindset la. Of course Toyota is legendary when it comes to reliability and fuel efficiency. Yes, all those people buying a RM4Xk car and thinking about handling.. WTF...Thats why ppl say it has toyota DNA so of course its good. Comparing that with ur own shit is really stupid and childish. Doesnt even make sense . U must be one of those failures in school. Bezza is fuel efficient, easy to drive, reliable and thats what most buyers at that price range want. They are not looking for a superb handling car, they are not looking for a "harder body" car. Remember, u are not racing on the roads everyday. They need a reliable car to go from A to B . And thats why Bezza is the best seller. Its just that good. Whoever buys Saga in 2023 is really retarded. Its an unreliable car using cheap China technology and it drinks fuel like a 1.8L car. After 1 year, the whole car is rattling everywhere like its gng to break apart To me, car like that the most important is fuel efficient and long lasting...and also after sale service. Proton Saga's engine is fuel guzzling, no safety features, aftersale service is trash... |
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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Nov 8 2023, 08:47 AM) Yes, all those people buying a RM4Xk car and thinking about handling.. WTF... Exactly. They think they gng F1 track everyday to race. Bezza handling is more than decent enough for ur everyday use.To me, car like that the most important is fuel efficient and long lasting...and also after sale service. Proton Saga's engine is fuel guzzling, no safety features, aftersale service is trash... nebula87 liked this post
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Wow great defender of bezza this sexysarah aka kevin the kok sucker. Of coz he has to defend, it's his daily driver. This & his classic 1982 BMW 3 series.
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