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 Windows 11 Adoption Is Slowing, We Finally Know Why

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post Oct 21 2023, 04:56 AM

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QUOTE(MatQuasar @ Oct 18 2023, 10:00 PM)
Today I went to JPJ, was told to download app JPJeQ to take queue number, and when about to pay renewal fee for physical card of license, was told cash is not allowed..... icon_question.gif

Imagine our parents cannot read English, and not savvy in using smartphone..... literally it is no smartphone, cannot do anything.
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If no debit/credit card, just talk to anyone. They're happy enough to pay for you, while you just pay them back in cash.
If no smartphone, just talk to JPJ. They're kind enough to issue paper-based number.
Why the hassle?
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post Oct 21 2023, 05:09 AM

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MS has to accept the fact that Windows is not a phone.

It is a productive tool, for us to create something. And we need to use mouse and keyboard instead of touchscreen.

Whereas a phone is mostly of consumers or casual use.
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post Oct 22 2023, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 14 2023, 08:48 AM)
Win 11 really bad...
Whole system slow down and lag....
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It was design for new system, in new system it is freaking fast and smoother than Windows 10.
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post Oct 22 2023, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(The.Lucas.DaY @ Oct 14 2023, 11:51 AM)
A bug is fixed and another bug comes out  biggrin.gif 
Mine is i3-12th but widget (in the taskbar) scrolling is choppy
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If you have choppy scrolling in such system, you should check whether you had upgrade the GPU driver or not.
2nd thing check what is your monitor refresh rate. Now everything not at least 120hz is never smooth, as human eye already adapted into 120hz from mobile phone few years back.
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post Oct 23 2023, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 18 2023, 05:53 PM)
If there's one thing I really hate right now is the settings and control panel situation. I mean they still can't device what they want. Go with the new menu all the way or just stick with the old control panel.
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they are slowly removing the stuff in old control panel to new UI,
it just really slow.

for example stuff in WMC a lot of things already disabled and probably automated or placed in new control panel
they will take another decades to retire it because the windows cores functions still relies on it.

automated stuff like storage optimization, auto cleaning ect.

W11 is slow due to background services running and taking up the I/O, if SSD sure no issue due to high IOPS, but hdd will tank.
they couldn't do it like linux, i mean if you ever used linux you know it use very little resource, but downside is if you need something you will need to download.
windows default just install everything.


i just hope one day i dont have to relies on Windows any more as most of the time i dont really use office stuff.
mostly gaming and coding.

google is another slowpoke company which they dont know how to utilize their os and the advancement of qualcomm processor.
if PS4/5/xbox controller is working flawlessly in the android game i play and i will ditch my lappy in no time.
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post Oct 23 2023, 07:02 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Oct 22 2023, 11:24 PM)
It was design for new system, in new system it is freaking fast and smoother than Windows 10.
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Impossible i7 8750h can't handle it.....
If those 4~6 gen U series, I can understand. ...
Impossible lag until need restart .....
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post Oct 23 2023, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 23 2023, 07:02 AM)
Impossible i7 8750h can't handle it.....
If those 4~6 gen U series, I can understand. ...
Impossible lag until need restart .....
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They are many reason it can be slow, include if your OS is not install at SSD, RAM not at least 8GB, no proper install of GPU driver, and etc.

Windows 11 had more animation and more graphical intensive requirement. A much powerful system is required, especially the GPU.
Your Intel® Core i7-8750H is 5 years ago product, it is high possible still running at HHD, if this is the case, it will be extremely slow. SSD is major requirement in Windows 11.

I had total 4 systems running Windows 11 and I don't have issue on performance except the one not meet the requirement, that one still smooth but not fast.
  • PC A - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 OC 24G, 32GB DDR4-3200 RGB RAM, Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 NVMe 500GB - Windows 11 Freaking Fast and smooth.
  • Laptop A - Asus Vivobook "A Bathing Ape" - ASUS Vivobook S 15 OLED BAPE Edition: Intel Core® i9-13900H, 16 GB RAM, 1TB M.2 NVMe™ PCIe® 4.0 SSD - Windows 11 Freaking Fast and smooth.
  • Laptop B - Asus VivoBook 15 OLED: Intel® Core™ i3-1125G4, Intel UHD, 8 GB RAM, 512GB M.2 NVMe™ PCIe® 3.0 SSD - Windows 11 Very Fast and smooth
  • Laptop C - Illegear Z5 SKYLAKE: Intel® Core i7-6700HQ, Nvidia Geforce GTX 970M, 16 GB RAM, 256GB SSD - Windows 11 still smooth but not Fast.


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post Oct 23 2023, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Oct 23 2023, 08:57 AM)
They are many reason it can be slow, include if your OS is not install at SSD, RAM not at least 8GB, no proper install of GPU driver, and etc.

Windows 11 had more animation and more graphical intensive requirement. A much powerful system is required, especially the GPU.
Your Intel® Core i7-8750H is 5 years ago product, it is high possible still running at HHD, if this is the case, it will be extremely slow. SSD is major requirement in Windows 11.

I had total 4 systems running Windows 11 and I don't have issue on performance except the one not meet the requirement, that one still smooth but not fast.

  • PC A - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 OC 24G, 32GB DDR4-3200 RGB RAM, Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 NVMe 500GB - Windows 11 Freaking Fast and smooth.
  • Laptop A - Asus Vivobook "A Bathing Ape" - ASUS Vivobook S 15 OLED BAPE Edition: Intel Core® i9-13900H, 16 GB RAM, 1TB M.2 NVMe™ PCIe® 4.0 SSD - Windows 11 Freaking Fast and smooth.
  • Laptop B - Asus VivoBook 15 OLED: Intel® Core™ i3-1125G4, Intel UHD, 8 GB RAM, 512GB M.2 NVMe™ PCIe® 3.0 SSD - Windows 11 Very Fast and smooth
  • Laptop C - Illegear Z5 SKYLAKE: Intel® Core i7-6700HQ, Nvidia Geforce GTX 970M, 16 GB RAM, 256GB SSD - Windows 11 still smooth but not Fast.

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16gb ddr 4
2 nvme, 1 for OS, 1 for data, full speed nvme...
Gpu driver reinstalled several time.....
Animation/effect all disable....
Power setting high performance.....
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post Oct 23 2023, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 23 2023, 10:12 AM)
16gb ddr 4
2 nvme, 1 for OS, 1 for data, full speed nvme...
Gpu driver reinstalled several time.....
Animation/effect all disable....
Power setting high performance.....
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In this case I can only said the processor is old and the GPU is not able to handle well or your Windows 11 is not properly setup or mess up already.
Many user don't have Windows 11 performance issue. You can go try out demo set at store, all run perfectly smooth.

If you need to disable the animation to make it run better, something very wrong in your system.

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post Oct 23 2023, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Oct 23 2023, 10:16 AM)
In this case I can only said the processor is old and the GPU is not able to handle well or your Windows 11 is not properly setup or mess up already.
Many user don't have Windows 11 performance issue. You can go try out demo set at store, all run perfectly smooth.

If you need to disable the animation to make it run better, something very wrong in your system.
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Plan to clean install...
But as this is work notebook....
Can't find time to do it.....
As my boss gonna say all urgent and can't have down time...

My coworker new desktop,
i7 13th gen,
32gb ram
Nvme 4th gen....
Fast....
But screw by win 11 auto update....
Brick the whole system until lenovo need replace mobo, cpu, gpu ....2 times...
Down time 1 month plus....
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 23 2023, 10:37 AM)
Plan to clean install...
But as this is work notebook....
Can't find time to do it.....
As my boss gonna say all urgent and can't have down time...

My coworker new desktop,
i7 13th gen,
32gb ram
Nvme 4th gen....
Fast....
But screw by win 11 auto update....
Brick the whole system until lenovo need replace mobo, cpu, gpu ....2 times...
Down time 1 month plus....
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Poor your colleague. Windows 11 in earlier stage do break the system for certain users. Microsoft use user as beta tester even now. 😅
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Oct 23 2023, 10:40 AM)
Poor your colleague. Windows 11 in earlier stage do break the system for certain users. Microsoft use user as beta tester even now. 😅
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Worst was, he is designer....
Boss keep ssy to customer all can fast.....
And he need design/lay the artwork.....
And the desktop keep blue screen half way,
Lost all the progress....
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post Oct 23 2023, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 23 2023, 10:44 AM)
Worst was, he is designer....
Boss keep ssy to customer all can fast.....
And he need design/lay the artwork.....
And the desktop keep blue screen half way,
Lost all the progress....
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My colleague using the L14 Gen 4 with Ryzen 5Pro, Win 11Pro, frequent bluescreen even with latest updates.

While I am using L14 G2 with i5-1135G7, Win 11Pro. Upgraded from Win 10Pro few months ago. Initially also bluescreen quite often, rather stable since about a month ago.

Indeed quite frustrating yawn.gif

Also noticed the animations are smoother on my laptop compared to theirs for some reason, especially scrolling and switching in between applications quickly. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(CAL V @ Oct 23 2023, 11:19 AM)
My colleague using the L14 Gen 4 with Ryzen 5Pro, Win 11Pro, frequent bluescreen even with latest updates.

While I am using L14 G2 with i5-1135G7, Win 11Pro. Upgraded from Win 10Pro few months ago. Initially also bluescreen quite often, rather stable since about a month ago.

Indeed quite frustrating  yawn.gif

Also noticed the animations are smoother on my laptop compared to theirs for some reason, especially scrolling and switching in between applications quickly.  hmm.gif
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Win 11 is like gambling, 50/50...
lucky will no problem, smooth,
unlucky, like my coworker....
almost want smash the whole desktop to floor...
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 23 2023, 11:38 AM)
Win 11 is like gambling, 50/50...
lucky will no problem, smooth,
unlucky, like my coworker....
almost want smash the whole desktop to floor...
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But I have some doubts for Lenovo reliability nowadays. My L14 G2, in my department alone bricked like 10+ units already. Even more for older models like E480.

1) Put on charge, put laptop to sleep/close the lid. Come back after lunch, cannot boot. Donezo, bricked.
2) Put to sleep, close the lid. Put in bag, go out. Reach destination, laptop excessively hot/straight up burned mobo.

Not sure if it's Windows fault or Lenovo BIOS issue. Or both. Yet they continue to procure more Thinkpads biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(CAL V @ Oct 23 2023, 11:48 AM)
But I have some doubts for Lenovo reliability nowadays. My L14 G2, in my department alone bricked like 10+ units already. Even more for older models like E480.

1) Put on charge, put laptop to sleep/close the lid. Come back after lunch, cannot boot. Donezo, bricked.
2) Put to sleep, close the lid. Put in bag, go out. Reach destination, laptop excessively hot/straight up burned mobo.

Not sure if it's Windows fault or Lenovo BIOS issue. Or both. Yet they continue to procure more Thinkpads  biggrin.gif
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my X1 extreme also like that,
when first use, can close lid and the window will go into sleep mode....
until windows 10 which updates,
keep feel weird why everytime open lid, no battery or hot....
found out it never go into sleep mode...
now need manual go into hibernation mode....
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QUOTE(CAL V @ Oct 23 2023, 11:48 AM)
But I have some doubts for Lenovo reliability nowadays. My L14 G2, in my department alone bricked like 10+ units already. Even more for older models like E480.

1) Put on charge, put laptop to sleep/close the lid. Come back after lunch, cannot boot. Donezo, bricked.
2) Put to sleep, close the lid. Put in bag, go out. Reach destination, laptop excessively hot/straight up burned mobo.

Not sure if it's Windows fault or Lenovo BIOS issue. Or both. Yet they continue to procure more Thinkpads  biggrin.gif
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L and E series not for heavy duty enterprise use la. L means low cost and E means education.
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TPM has its benefits.

but then most people use custom rigs. TPM is such a massive headache.

my colleague had issue. valorant stopped working. previously the TPM was fine

i tried following some guides to re enable TPM, doesnt seem to work. tried updating etc. in the end he sent to shop

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 23 2023, 11:52 AM)
my X1 extreme also like that,
when first use, can close lid and the window will go into sleep mode....
until windows 10 which updates,
keep feel weird why everytime open lid, no battery or hot....
found out it never go into sleep mode...
now need manual go into hibernation mode....
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Yeah, headache indeed.

QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 23 2023, 11:58 AM)
L and E series not for heavy duty enterprise use la. L means low cost and E means education.
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They can procure X1 series for all of us, if they want to. All my bosses are using, just higher cost for the firm. Just look around the entire current lineup, similar spec models cost around the same (P,T,L,E series). Idk if it's really low cost. Perhaps the argument is high spec L/E series vs low spec P/T/X1 series.

Nevertheless, still doesn't excuse itself (themselves) for not being able to reliably carry out basic tasks that even current entry level consumer laptops excel in. wink.gif
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QUOTE(CAL V @ Oct 23 2023, 11:48 AM)
But I have some doubts for Lenovo reliability nowadays. My L14 G2, in my department alone bricked like 10+ units already. Even more for older models like E480.

1) Put on charge, put laptop to sleep/close the lid. Come back after lunch, cannot boot. Donezo, bricked.
2) Put to sleep, close the lid. Put in bag, go out. Reach destination, laptop excessively hot/straight up burned mobo.

Not sure if it's Windows fault or Lenovo BIOS issue. Or both. Yet they continue to procure more Thinkpads  biggrin.gif
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it's Windows 11?

my workstation both use W10, dell tablet and lappy.
when close lid and open next day, still got battery.

my W11 lappy? close lid and open next day battery flat.

the pc in my workplace have controlled windows update, usually monthly, very stable.
personal laptop is out of Lenovo control hence full of bugs lol

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