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post Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
My bro house paid 3K for ppl go fix the meter every month bill just RM300.
Can ON aircond whole day
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My friend just consider change from this to solar.

He said not worth the effort to adjust meter. Everyday live in fear.
bee88
post Oct 3 2023, 10:58 AM

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For my case, I calculated very detail and found out that 6 months usage, I already save about rm3800 worth of electricity.

So yes. If got extra money and Tnb bill high, migh as well consider solar.

Money put in Fd can’t even help u cover your monthly electricity bill.

For my case, there is no upfront payment. Meaning no need to pay lump sum. So even more worth it.


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post Oct 3 2023, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:57 AM)
Saving = RM 750

RM 750 x 12 months x 10 years = RM 90,000 (consider your panel doesn't degrade at all, no maintenance needed at all)

RM 90,000 / RM 47,000 = 191% for 10 years.

Let's calculate the CAGR

1.91^(1/10) = 1.067

Meaning 6.7% Compounded Annual Growth Rate (Again, with no solar panel losses, no maintenance needed, no solar seasonal pattern). That's the absolute max you can get for 10 years.

After 10th year, you needed battery to make it viable.
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But u must understand, we don’t need to cough up 47k.
That compound interest is when u have 47k upfront.


We just need to pay monthly as usual for 5 years. Actual Tnb usage. And next five years total free.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Oct 3 2023, 10:56 AM)
my tnb bill average 40 ringgit only

if i install this, would it generate money instead?
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Yes. On paper. But cannot cash out. Hahah.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 10:58 AM)
You can renew, buy new set of panel, new installation again.
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Panel no need to buy new one. Inverter also no need. Can use up to 30 years. So it is quite worth it.

Coz even after nem 10 years. Ur system still generate. It can at least cover morning usage without battery. With battery investment which could be another 15k at thst time, c potential to save is even higher.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:02 AM)
I just calculate what went in and what came out. Simple.

RM 1000 paid as bill = RM 1000 paid as investment, it's the same RM 1000 after all.
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But 47k upfront in Fd generating interest is very different from
47 k thst u accumulate in 5 years time.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM)
4 months battery still tip top
3 years later maybe efficientcy drop a lot.
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Battery now come with warranty 10 years. 6000 cycles. So it should be a good thing.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:04 AM)
Do you have any viable battery option now?
10kvah can easily be 30,000 currently.
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Yes. Right now not viable. But 10 years time. Okay la. Give it some time to mature.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:05 AM)
I agreed. However your return will not suddenly increase from 6.7% -> 30% due to different payment schedule.
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Oh. If u see carefully, the money u pay to Tnb is a money thst u need to set aside anyway. It won’t help you generate anything except paying to Tnb. But if u buy system, that money still with you, just in a form of a machine thst generate “money” for 20-30 years
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:07 AM)
TS tokok singsong only. Show la tnb bill before and after install solar
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My bill this month only rm3. Total usage is 1230kwh

From bill calculator from Tnb, 1230 kWh will cost me rm570++.

There is no bill before and after. After instal, only one bill.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
I got ask you meh? Your mom don't teach you if no people ask just sit down and shush?
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U seems to have issues with ts. Go get a life.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
Yes it will generate for 20-30 years and you can only use it during day time.

Night time is what kill your TNB bill, not day time.

I average 35 kwh per day of usage and day time we hardly hit 10 kwh, at night that's another 20-25kwh of usage, mainly from air conditioning.

So without battery, your panel will be covering just max 1/3 of your usage. Not entirely.

I am an avid solar supporter, but it should be backed by solid facts and figures.
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My plan is getting a battery after the system. Even if it cost 30k by then, and can help me save 600 ringgit every month. It should be still viable.

But now a bit sked coz battery seems to explode.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 3 2023, 11:10 AM)
ROI extremely fast based on TS high monthly usage
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Still need at least five years anyway. I think his need more. Coz his 47k for 14kwp system seems quite expensive in my opinion.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:12 AM)
26 panels = 26 ways to fail, also extremely fast.

You think we all live in an area without dust? haze?
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That’s the risk he is willing to take. High return high risk.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:13 AM)
Talk so much but not a single proof
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Haiya. Let me show u la my bill.

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post Oct 3 2023, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Oct 3 2023, 11:15 AM)
first, you need to take out 50k to install
second, you only started, what about maintenance? how long it can run without issue?
third, most ppl electric bill around 200~300, why take out 50k up front
the 50k can pay 13 years of RM300 electric bill.
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First. There are many ways to avoid the 50k upfront. Many ppl don’t pay upfront lump sum anymore.

Maintenance try to nego as long as u can

200-300 bill don’t need 50k upfront

Maybe 20k only.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:17 AM)
TESLA powerwall seems to be ok.
Around 25k for 10 kvah. Not too bad actually.
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But what I care most is this 10 years. Once get back the system and saving, the rest is bonus. even if it is not working anymore, it doesn’t obstruct u in any way.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(SurpriseZZZZZ @ Oct 3 2023, 11:19 AM)
They are interested to see the TNB bill itself.

How much is your import as of now?
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Import 1010

Export 983

Extra kwp previous month 70

From app, generation is 1203

So self consumption is around 220


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post Oct 3 2023, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 3 2023, 11:20 AM)
It will take 50 months to recoup that RM30k, excluding opportunity cost of RM30k.

Then there's degradation of performance to think about, which stretches the break even time. And the inconvenience of having batteries at home (space, risk).
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Yes. Another cycle. Correct.

Degradation I am not worried.

Panel now degrade mostly to 80% after 25 years.

Battery come with 10 years warranty 6000 cycle.

So it should be better by then. For batttery tech. Just hope along the way don’t hear any new battry explode news.
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 3 2023, 11:24 AM)
Yeah why not
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Which method he use? Bypass with a switch? Or other way? The rate is about 3-4k now. Depending on how much u want to save.

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