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yeapsc73
post Aug 6 2025, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(pakjat @ Aug 6 2025, 05:27 PM)
my july bill
import: 319 kw
export: 843 kw
generation: 1040 kw
selco: 197 kw
reason why import drop drastically is because my 10yrs old 2.5HP non inverter AC breakdown beyond economic repair and i replace it with inverter type of same HP.
god, that old AC really devouring all the kW sweat.gif
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can buy another EV liao or else how to finish using the surplus

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post Aug 6 2025, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(capxxx @ Aug 6 2025, 06:37 PM)
Precedent already set, anytime govt. can change their policy and formula and leave solar users bleed to dry. Need to be extra sceptical this time. Later if invest more for battery under SELCO then few years change to unfavorable rate/policy habislah, no more blood to bleed. NEM capital gone, SELCO/hybrid capital gone. Need guaranteed like govt. pay capital and fix rate with fair termination/exit clause.
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have you installed? no need to fear mongering here
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post Aug 7 2025, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 7 2025, 11:59 AM)
the new billing so so so complicated...
until now i also dunno how to calculate it.
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net usage kwh x 44sen + 10 + SST + KWTBB - net EEI
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post Aug 7 2025, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Aug 7 2025, 11:48 AM)
Okay i finally understood.

To keep things ultra simple. we used to pay 22sen/kwh nett import. Now changed to 44sen/kwh. The effect is larger the higher your nett import .

Then those who have surplus getting affected also. Because no more negative billing, so the excess energy cannot be used to offset all the caj (SST, KWBTT, RM10)

This will lead to the situation where.
a) RM600 monthly bill ppl who installed RM400 solar system. Their monthly bill supposed to be RM200 end up become RM400. So ROI doubled.
b) RM600 monthly bill ppl who installed RM600 solar system. Their monthly bill supposed to be RM0. End up have to pay SST+KWBTT+RM10 minimum. So ROI kind of increased about 3%

End of the day. The more your nett import, the more it affects the ROI which is exponential somehow.
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something like this just that scenario a maybe increase by 30% lah not double, as 22sen only applicable to first 200kwh for old tariff and gradually increase
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post Aug 7 2025, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 7 2025, 02:06 PM)
do this mean, as long as my export > import , then will have zero impact to me?
which currently happen to me.
on the month i have no more balance and have import > export, then my rate is higher ?
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minimal impact.

if import>export and no more NEM credit then kena as per the formula
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post Aug 7 2025, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(coolcity888 @ Aug 7 2025, 12:17 PM)
so, with ToU or not does not make any difference, right? no need to apply for those under nem?
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if import>export, may make some difference 1-5%

if import=export, super minimal effect as for my bill different is 30sen per month, better dont waste my RM10 to change
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post Aug 7 2025, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(nite_eif @ Aug 7 2025, 02:48 PM)
how  i understand so far:

for user below 1000kwh, solar system 9 kwp or lower ie generation below 1000kwh..

if import = export, or import < export..no extra cost in bill, but export value/average electric rate lower than previous tariff..

if import > export, the extra kwh is entitled for EEI, so the overall cost per kwh will be lower..hence more worth..

so? this will encourages more usage lol..if we aim for lower overall cost per kwh..in range of around 600 to below 1000kwh..

need to use EV - jimat kos minyak and can get lower rate electric for charging haha..

but need to control usage below 1000kwh import, better if below 600kwh..

Let Say system 6.15kwp, this is based on my consumption in 2 months..
Generation - 650 kwh
Selco - 250 kwh (try charging at noon)
Export - 400 kwh
usage total household - 500 + ev charging 300 = 800, so minus selco, 800-250=Import = 550
for EEI, I - E = 550 - 400 = 150, eligible for -10.5 ct/kwh
Bil = RM66.645-15.75=rm50.90

If can maximise selco, charging more at noon
Selco - 350 (150 household use, 200kwh for ev)
Export - 300
Import = 800-350=450
EEI = 450-300 = 150 x -0.21 ct (better rate) = 31.50
Hence bill = 66.645-31.50 = RM35.145

See...cheaper bill, cheaper rate but same consumption n same solar system..
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EEI for 450kwh import is wrong though, should be 14.5sen
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post Aug 9 2025, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Aug 9 2025, 12:11 PM)
lol.... i see what you mean

because getting sealion7 without extra using AC, counting 85kwh (lamsum including heat lost), 5 day per charge.
that would be 85x6 (30days) 500kw on top 300.

my calculation right?
so if i cant get that 500kw from car alone, or 300kw from home appliance down. i will be on high rate section.
is it really worth to run 1phase solar for this setupo/application/situation?
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Depends on your traveling distance per month, you don't need to fully charge every time
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post Aug 13 2025, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Aug 12 2025, 04:28 PM)
let say one month additional RM50, 1 year will be RM600.. 5 years will be RM3k..
the ROI further stretch since RM4k rebate now become RM1k ...
nvm.. then our TNB Pricing is revise every 3 years.. then increase again.. RM1k rebate become 0...
So .. not sure still hv ROI  cool2.gif
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If purely tariff revise rate up, ROI should be even shorter as solar generation will offset kwh at higher tariff, if no solar then you need to pay full tnb tariff also

Not like this round is not actually tariff up, but repackaged.
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post Aug 13 2025, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Aug 13 2025, 03:57 PM)
not sure but my file calculation =  (Total - Rebate) / average monthly bill ....

now rebate drop and average monthly bill drop with new tariff

example 650kwh..with roughly calculation

total solar (18k - 4k rebate) / 275 (old tariff) = 51 months

now total solar (18k - 4 rebate) / 214 (new tariff) = 65 months or (18k - 0 rebate) / 275 (old tariff) = 65 months

i think some people also commented the ROI slight longer now..  bruce.gif
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ROI should be cost/saving (comparing tnb with and without NEM based on monthly usage)

for this round the ROI for NEM users are longer, but it is not because tariff up (most other non NEM users actually have lower bill) , more like tariff repackaged which is disadvantageous to NEM users

if next round revision tariff revision purely is rate up say from 44sen/kwh to 48sen/kwh, the saving per month vs no NEM at all so ROI should be shorter
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post Aug 16 2025, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Aug 15 2025, 10:54 AM)
Some company like mine warranty claim no charge BUT labour to dismantle and change got charge.
Also many worried in solar company close shop, who gonna respond to the warranty claim.

So it is nice to get long warranty but the problem is the company handling the warranty sure got labour charge especially if need skylift and most importantly, if company close shop, who gonna handle the warranty claim. Many company no want to handle warranty claim that was installed by other company not related to theirs.

Solar panels also need maintenance once in a while, the cost do adds up but depends on usage, for me, either break even after 10 years or will earn a couple of years of free solar. Better than no solar especially since daytime, my parent also use air cond, the solar daytime generation contra that. Worth it.

Also warranty for PV if spoil but does not cover degradation over the years, sure the performance will drop.
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That's the main reason I went for micro inverter previously as the product itself would last longer, at least on paper lah and according to research. Even if the inverter really rosak and the company sudah tutup kedai, getting 3rd party to fix also not as bad because micro inverter is modular type and not proprietary any other company can fix easily.

That's the same reason I go for lfp battery rather than NMC battery type EV although NMC one has longer range and I can afford both

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post Aug 16 2025, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 16 2025, 03:37 PM)
string inverter is not proprietary either, and can be easily replaced by DIY if you have electrical / electric knowledge, it is also easily reachable unlike micro inverter require to climb up to roof.
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If I have 5 micro inverter 2kw each, if one rosak I still have 80% capacity

If I have 1 string inverter 10kw, if rosak then gg

Furthermore micro inverter design lifespan 20 to 25 years

String inverter design lifespan 10 to 15 years
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post Aug 17 2025, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 17 2025, 02:43 PM)
design life span is 1 thing, but never forget, micro inverter is a the roof top that shine and rain.

plus our weather is 365 extremely hot or crazy rain.
is Micro inverter designed for that?

also many standard is tested in lab test with 25C for the component life.
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It is funny that solar inverter sacred of solar isn't it lol
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post Aug 18 2025, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 17 2025, 07:03 PM)
Depend on the quality of the micro inverter, low quality micro inverter may not be able to withstand >50 degree environment every day, lifespan shorten is expected for those cheap and low quality inverter.

anyway, both string and micro inverter have their pros and cons, only inverter suitable to your house environment is the best choice.
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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 17 2025, 09:35 PM)
do you know what is inverter?

what like solar is your solar panel.

Inverter and component inside scare heat.
yup yup,
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define 'low quality' micro inverter

https://www.hoymiles.com/tech-pro/everythin...issipation.html
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post Aug 18 2025, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 18 2025, 09:11 AM)
to prevent direct heat from Sunlight, dust or bee, warp nest.

most string inverter got fan to remove heat created when converting DC to AC.
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and make sure your store room door is louver type, full solid door will trap the heat inside your store room even if your inverter got built in fan

and the best solution is avoid enclosed spaces
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post Aug 18 2025, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 18 2025, 11:04 AM)
I not sure how high heat do our rooftop can go when running the Microinverter.
but what they tested is 85C for 1h and ram down to -40C for 200 cycles

our environment is can be 6 to 8 hours of constant heat. plus how hot is the inverter at the roof top combine with solar panel heat and DC to AC conversion heat add up together.
maybe need someone to use thermal imaging to check it.

200 cycle = 200 hours of test.
ours if let say 10 years and average 6h of extremely hot.

= 365 * 10 * 6 = 36.5k hours
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Most tier-1 microinverters (Enphase, Hoymiles, APsystems, etc.), operating temp range –40 °C to +65 °C (some to 70 °C).

85 °C is for testing purposes, which likely never will be reached
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post Aug 18 2025, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 18 2025, 02:09 PM)
operating temp excluding environment temp.

most testing is in the lab and not real condition specially in Malaysia,
humid and hot.
dry and hot is very different with humid and hot.
not sure the use MTBF/MTTF or ALT to predict 25 years.

hopefully is ALT which much higher temp, if MTBF, then good luck.
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operating temperature IS ambient/environment temperature

u can add another 10-20 degree if u want, from 35 degree C, as under the PV panel will be hotter by that margin

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post Aug 18 2025, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Aug 18 2025, 01:21 PM)

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any equipment also got lemon unit, some more the poster said the unit failed BEFORE summer so likely is not heat issue
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post Aug 20 2025, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Aug 19 2025, 11:07 PM)
So far okay la. Haven’t over the warranty period yet for me.  But Their price is reasonable for the labour anyway for year 6 onwards. Just few hundred and can have coverage for another year with unlimited service request.
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Warranty for 12 years from PG for micro inverters right?

So unless PG close shop AND micro inverters failed within 12 years, what to worry?
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post Aug 20 2025, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Aug 20 2025, 02:04 PM)
more of if the mirco inverter company close shop, then gg.

cause PG will not able to honor the micro inverter or even hosting the software.

just imagine the micro inverter software not accessible anymore.

it happen once in USA, which the company need to 100% change all the micro inverter for the client by own cost as the manufacturer kena buy over by another company.
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You mean hoymiles close shop?

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