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angelgemini
post Aug 18 2025, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Jenn77 @ Aug 18 2025, 08:58 AM)
Most of the solar installer recommends installing inverter inside confined room, or under the staircase storeroom usually. Will it be an issue?
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to prevent direct heat from Sunlight, dust or bee, warp nest.

most string inverter got fan to remove heat created when converting DC to AC.


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post Aug 18 2025, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Aug 18 2025, 09:42 AM)
I not sure how high heat do our rooftop can go when running the Microinverter.
but what they tested is 85C for 1h and ram down to -40C for 200 cycles

our environment is can be 6 to 8 hours of constant heat. plus how hot is the inverter at the roof top combine with solar panel heat and DC to AC conversion heat add up together.
maybe need someone to use thermal imaging to check it.

200 cycle = 200 hours of test.
ours if let say 10 years and average 6h of extremely hot.

= 365 * 10 * 6 = 36.5k hours

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In-depth testing
Lastly, in order to ensure that our microinverters meet the highest standards of quality and performance, we conduct rigorous in-house testing of all of our equipment.

This includes the aforementioned thermal cycles to expose our microinverters to extreme temperature fluctuations. However, we do it in a significantly more in-depth way.

Our tests include 200 thermal cycles from -40°C (for 1h 20min) to +85°C (for 1h), which is much more punishing than the environmental conditions a microinverter would typically experience “in the field”, so to speak.

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post Aug 18 2025, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Aug 18 2025, 10:01 AM)
String inverter will have a slight humming sound. So just don't install it at a place where it might bother you.
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not slight, is kind noisy when peak.

i installed inside my study room.... kind annoying but too late to change.

the inverter will enjoy aircon when i at my studying during noon, lol
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post Aug 18 2025, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Aug 18 2025, 12:51 PM)
Most tier-1 microinverters (Enphase, Hoymiles, APsystems, etc.), operating temp range –40 °C to +65 °C (some to 70 °C).

85 °C is for testing purposes, which likely never will be reached
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operating temp excluding environment temp.

most testing is in the lab and not real condition specially in Malaysia,
humid and hot.


dry and hot is very different with humid and hot.


not sure the use MTBF/MTTF or ALT to predict 25 years.

hopefully is ALT which much higher temp, if MTBF, then good luck.
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post Aug 18 2025, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Aug 18 2025, 02:24 PM)
operating temperature IS ambient/environment temperature

u can add another 10-20 degree if u want, from 35 degree C, as under the PV panel will be hotter by that margin

user posted image

user posted image
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another point, better to check with the manufacturer is it the device can work with 65C for 25 years, get their MTBF and ALT result for 65C if they been tested at that level.
cause i work in similar industrial, the normal product life is in control temperate aka 25C and not the max temperature. Most manufacturer will not test on the max temperature as it will fail badly.




i never measure before, so i Ai asked some info,

Below from AI Grok
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The temperature beneath rooftop solar panels in Malaysia can be significantly higher than the ambient air temperature due to the absorption of sunlight and limited heat dissipation. Based on available information, the temperature under solar panels typically ranges from **20 to 40°C higher than the ambient temperature**. [](https://nenpower.com/blog/what-is-the-temperature-under-the-solar-panels/)

In Malaysia, which lies near the equator with high solar radiation and ambient temperatures often ranging from **25 to 35°C**, the temperature beneath solar panels can reach **45 to 75°C** or more, especially on hot, sunny days with poor ventilation. For example, if the ambient temperature is 30°C, the temperature under the panels could be **50 to 70°C**, depending on factors like:[](https://greensarawak.com/things-to-know-before-going-solar/going-solar-chapter-9-know-your-solar-pv-cells-performance-under-the-heat/)[](https://nenpower.com/blog/what-is-the-temperature-under-the-solar-panels/)

- **Panel type**: Monocrystalline panels handle heat better than polycrystalline ones, with a lower temperature coefficient (-0.4 to -0.5% power loss per °C above 25°C for silicon panels).[](https://greensarawak.com/things-to-know-before-going-solar/going-solar-chapter-9-know-your-solar-pv-cells-performance-under-the-heat/)[](https://nenpower.com/blog/what-is-the-temperature-under-the-solar-panels/)
- **Installation method**: Panels mounted close to the roof with limited airflow trap more heat, while those elevated by 6 inches or more allow better ventilation, reducing temperatures.[](https://greensarawak.com/things-to-know-before-going-solar/going-solar-chapter-9-know-your-solar-pv-cells-performance-under-the-heat/)[](https://nenpower.com/blog/what-is-the-temperature-under-the-solar-panels/)
- **Roof material and ventilation**: Poorly ventilated roofs, especially those with dark materials, can heat up to 45–75°C, exacerbating under-panel temperatures.[](https://greensarawak.com/things-to-know-before-going-solar/going-solar-chapter-9-know-your-solar-pv-cells-performance-under-the-heat/)
- **Environmental conditions**: High solar intensity in Malaysia’s tropical climate increases heat buildup, while wind or cloud cover can help cool panels.[](https://nenpower.com/blog/what-is-the-temperature-under-the-solar-panels/)

To mitigate high temperatures, ensuring adequate spacing for airflow, regular cleaning to prevent debris buildup, or using active cooling methods like water sprinklers can help maintain efficiency. These temperatures can reduce panel efficiency by up to 10% on hot days due to the temperature coefficient effect.[](https://greensarawak.com/things-to-know-before-going-solar/going-solar-chapter-9-know-your-solar-pv-cells-performance-under-the-heat/)[](https://nenpower.com/blog/what-is-the-temperature-under-the-solar-panels/)[](https://greensarawak.com/things-to-know-before-going-solar/going-solar-chapter-9-know-your-solar-pv-cells-performance-under-the-heat/)


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post Aug 19 2025, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Aug 19 2025, 12:00 PM)
So far okay lah. Fingers crossed.

The inverter itself is ip68 anyway.
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An IP68 rating means a device is both dust-tight and waterproof. Specifically, the "6" in IP68 signifies complete protection against dust ingress, while the "8" indicates that the device can withstand submersion in water deeper than 1 meter for a specified duration (often 30 minutes or more).
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post Aug 19 2025, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Aug 19 2025, 02:22 PM)
It would usually  happen if the ip68 seal isn’t properly done. If it’s done right, it’s an uncommon occurrence.
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on the roof top 24/7 exposed + the heat in Malaysia.
better finger cross.


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post Aug 19 2025, 02:59 PM

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they just give 25 years,
they will 101 reason to void the warranty specially on the water side,
cause IP68 is not guarantee water cannot go in.
and no warranty on water protection.
the company also dunno still around after 10 to 15 years
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post Aug 19 2025, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Aug 19 2025, 07:13 PM)
For micro, Replacement is one to one..  they don’t and unable to open and check if water or not.  From what I know, Hoymiles straight give debit note for new inverter to supplier unlike string inverter. So as long the companies still around, should be okay de.
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mostly likely the company is around, but if they are the largest then should be ok.

risk to close down is lower
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post Aug 20 2025, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Aug 20 2025, 12:50 PM)
Warranty for 12 years from PG for micro inverters right?

So unless PG close shop AND micro inverters failed within 12 years,  what to worry?
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more of if the mirco inverter company close shop, then gg.

cause PG will not able to honor the micro inverter or even hosting the software.

just imagine the micro inverter software not accessible anymore.

it happen once in USA, which the company need to 100% change all the micro inverter for the client by own cost as the manufacturer kena buy over by another company.
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post Aug 20 2025, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Aug 20 2025, 02:07 PM)
You mean hoymiles close shop?
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post Aug 20 2025, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Aug 20 2025, 02:23 PM)
U worry too much. Pg close shop lah, hoymiles close shop lar, inverter rosak lah

Maybe you should worry also the 1 in a trillion chance a big meteor hit earth?

Btw the inverter will still work even hoymiles close shop, just no live monitoring
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QUOTE(47100 @ Aug 20 2025, 02:39 PM)
you are totally right, so dont do it if you not comfort.

there is no tell or say what happens in future for solar biz..if PG lingkup or their supplier bungkus d..
same story to those china car sold in malaysia promises 10 yr warranty while we skeptical if the principle can last 5 years in this market..
so ... we consumer just exercise own due diligence

side note, im PG customer, and they have not reply me since 28/7...lol
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is all about risk management and what is the option if that happen.

some like to plan ahead and do risk management,

so just tak apa, when time come only care about it.

the discussion is to for risk management and what to expected if shit hit the fan.
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post Aug 20 2025, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Aug 20 2025, 03:41 PM)
so your suggestion? must buy huawei since huawei bigger company than hoymiles and wont close shop?
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nope, do own assessment to determine which to buy.

study the risk,


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post Sep 2 2025, 12:06 PM

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anyone know they using EOB or Load Profile/Survey for TOU calculation?
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Huawei launch Solar Fusion 9.0
AI integrated with battery
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QUOTE(adamw @ Dec 9 2025, 10:07 AM)
For Malaysia this AI is basically useless, in other countries they have various rates durung different hours so this uses AI is to gain maximum benefit from your solar, when to export or when to use battery etc.  And they are just copying this Sigenergy brand features, you can google what their AI is about as they have been selling longer then Huawei which just launch, so already have more user's review.
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Below is from Gemini 3.0

The statement you provided contains several factual inaccuracies. While there is a grain of truth regarding Malaysia's tariff structure, the claims about Sigenergy being "older" and Huawei "copying" them are incorrect.

Here is the breakdown of what is accurate and what is not:

1. Claim: "Huawei is copying Sigenergy... Sigenergy has been selling longer."
Verdict: FALSE.
Huawei is the veteran: Huawei entered the global solar inverter market around 2013 and became the global market leader by volume shortly after. They have been selling residential solar solutions for over a decade.
Sigenergy is the newcomer: Sigenergy was founded in 2022—very recently.
The Connection: The founder of Sigenergy, Tony Xu, was actually the former President of Huawei's Smart PV Business.
This explains why the features look similar. It is not that Huawei copied a startup; rather, the person who helped build Huawei's solar division left to start Sigenergy, bringing similar design philosophies and industry knowledge with him.

2. Claim: "Huawei FusionSolar AI is useless in Malaysia because we don't have different rates."
Verdict: PARTIALLY TRUE, BUT MOSTLY MISLEADING.
It is true that Malaysia does not yet have mandatory, fluctuating "spot prices" like the UK or Australia, but the AI is not useless. Here is why:

Scenario A: Standard Tiered Tariff (Most Malaysians)
Malaysia uses a Tiered Tariff (the more you use, the expensive it gets).
How AI helps: The AI (Huawei's EMMA or Sigenergy's MYOS) doesn't just look for "cheap hours." It looks to maximize self-consumption.[1] It ensures you use your own solar power (free) to avoid buying electricity from TNB when you hit the expensive "Tier 2" or "Tier 3" usage blocks (where rates jump from ~21 sen to ~57 sen).
Result: It stops you from importing grid electricity unnecessarily, which saves money even without Time-of-Use rates.

Scenario B: Time-of-Use (TOU) Tariff (Optional)[1][2][3]
TNB does offer a "Time of Use" (TOU) tariff scheme for residential users with smart meters (Prime vs. Off-Peak rates).[1]
If you opt into this, the AI becomes extremely valuable by charging your battery at night (cheap rate) and discharging it during the day/evening (expensive rate).

3. Claim: "They are just copying Sigenergy features."
Verdict: INCORRECT.
Huawei has had "AI" features in their inverters (like Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters and IV Curve Diagnosis) for years before Sigenergy existed.
However, Sigenergy did launch a very aggressive "5-in-1" integrated system (inverter + battery + EV charger in one stack) that looked different from Huawei's separate "Luna battery + Inverter" setup.
Huawei's recent updates (EMMA assistant) are a response to the market evolving, but given their size and R&D budget, they have been developing these algorithms for a long time.
Summary for your decision:
Don't buy Sigenergy because you think they are "older" or "more established." They are a very new startup (though with an experienced founder).
Don't dismiss the AI in Malaysia. Even with standard TNB bills, "Smart Energy Management" helps you avoid the expensive >600kWh tariff block.

Comparison:
Huawei: Proven reliability, huge support network in Malaysia, long warranty track record.
Sigenergy: Innovative "All-in-One" design (easier to install), very smart software, but a much newer company with less long-term history to prove warranty support 10 years down the line.



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QUOTE(adamw @ Dec 9 2025, 11:22 AM)
Our Tou rate difference is too insignificant to make a big difference. On top of that the cost of LUNA battery cost an arm & a leg for +5kwh so whatever cost savings gain you already burdened yourself with a costly battery! brows.gif
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is not for normal home use,
more for factory, and large scale solar farm,

maybe bungalow need it also, hahahaa
running own data center inside house,

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