One of friends told me about the company of SUNSHINE EMPIRE, which is when we invest 2k in it then after 5 years we will get back in donno how many percentla... its say guarantee will get back what we invest in it. Dont know you all know about this company? let me about this company if you have heard before about the empMALL or investment company??thanks

here you go.

http://www.ponziscams.com/blog/malaysia-sc...nt-ponzi-scams/

http://sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/invest...ert_list.html#s

thanks thanks...That means this kind of company cant join lo? TIPU ga??

Still need to ask?

Give me 10k , i guarantee you .. in 10 yrs time .. i can return u 30-200%

Want try?

zzzz........ 5yrs later dunno the company hide where liao lo

haha...Dont knw ma. My friends say until so good. show a lot evidence and say it at SG very famous la..KL also got la..Bla bla bla..I also a newbie in MLM..Mane ku tahu ..hehe..
luckily i ask here if not i join thn Habis la..Hahaha..

aiya...by its name you already can feel it's a scam already..no joke.

Never do business with friends... u will end up losing both should any dispute arises.

it is also in the investor alert list by monetory authority of singapore

http://www.moneysense.gov.sg/check_our_lis...Portal_IAL.html

Yalo.. better becareful.. this type of company biz model kinda like tricky1.
My SG cousin who just graduates got hooked and invest alot in it.. he even wants me to lend him money coz he want to become higher lvl member so can get more high returns..
He invest about Singapore $7K i think Says can get return like 300% etcs..

He reject him down la of coz...



Cheers,
v_viper88

There are many warnings and newspaper report on SE. You can visit this forum for all the info you need http://mlmg.sgforums.com/?action=thread_di...d=276414&page=7

SUNSHINE EMPIRE IS SCAM COMPANY, please away from this scam

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Added on October 24, 2007, 11:07 amand also here.

China Official Anti Fraud Site

http://www.antifraud.gov.cn/typicalcase/4_...07092406999.jsp



Translated version

This post has been edited by fiqir: Oct 24 2007, 11:12 AM

If it really was a scam company, u think SC or govourment will let the company continue it?
SC have the power to freeze any company or banned the company instantly, and also hand the power to banned their website too...
But then the company still operation like usually at KUB.COM building at 1st floor...
How did u mean scam? Pay money to join then didnt get anything?
U buy the package and join it, u will have free talk time from 3 month to 4 years, and a e-wallet point to let you buy items from internet, or let you sell ur product at internet...

So how did you know it was a scam company? Does the company scam your money before? And since it started from August 2006, there was no anyone of members regret it!

Lamp Berger also have been list at SC b4, but then, is it now still on the list? Then how to explain about this? LB rasuah for asking them remove it? No way, SC just put as invertor alert, but still is ALERT only! Govourment have come company check b4, but get nothing. You can try think it from other way, those SC and MAS is watching the company, so the company not dare do anything illegal as there are too many people in Singapore and Malaysia into Sunshine Empire.

Don't worry about what the market is going to do, instead worry about what you are going to do in response to the market. And never let your market decisions be restricted or influenced by concern over what others might think. Don't worry about looking stupid.

Not everything is gurantee, you invest money, open a shop, u can gurantee yourself sure will sucess, sure will earn money? If really, then this world wont have a word > BANKRAP.
Hey man, NO RISK!! NO GAIN!!

This still is depend ur ownself, if u able to take the risk, u can give it a try. If not, u want borrow those money from ah long, jadi mat rempit at outside rompak things, or stole from ur house, please dont come it.

I'm a part of Sunshine Empire member, if interesting or still have question, can reach me at MSN : happy4ever86@hotmail.com.
This post is just a part of my opinion, no hard feeling, ok? Hope that my post wont start any flaming or argue at here.

PEACE!!!!

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Added on October 25, 2007, 3:00 amI didn't agree with this, Ponzi scams is known as MONEY GAMES.
You buy package or pay money join it, but u didnt get any product, that's called money games, examples like Swisscash and eBarrel.
Charles Ponzi, he is a italian, born at 03 March 1882, died at 18 January 1949, he was the people that create money games.
Earlier, money game called as Ponzi Scheme, or "make money fast", in malay, names Skim Cepat Kaya.
It's like a gambler game.

This post has been edited by happy4ever86: Oct 25 2007, 03:10 AM

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_dis...d=220726&page=0
http://www.thelocalking.com/singapore/misc...ine-empire.html

Mandarin newspaper
http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~wongjian/20071018192941390.pdf
http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~wongjian/20071018192833712.pdf



This post has been edited by beginner: Oct 25 2007, 03:38 AM

good, invest more .... and work harder to make more then invest again(act fast, cause u might not have the second chances to invest), is one of the life time chance ... u can't find in any company will provide u consistent 3% monthly return else where ........

When it is on the alert list on SC, it means that SC already investigating the company. Swisscash had been operating for few years before SC got all the evidence it needs to shut it down and sued those people that cheats. Just a matter of time.

some ppl just don't like to analysis, they trust what they see now but not the future .... for outsider like us, we can't stop then by fact (they don't and is their own money too), so better stay out from war .....

So how you explain about the LB company? The name was on SC list before about one year since LB have start at MY around 1 year.
Swisscash is a another things, it's money games company or gambling games, Swisscash din have their own head office at MY, and money games it does not come with any product, other examples of money games is eBarrel.

But SE not, it have their own special offer product for you, that's call MLM business, not cheating those people money, is buy product (VoIP Talk Time and E-point for buying product at internet shopping platform) from our company. SC investigating the company i feel that is safe, so the company not dare to do anything that illegal.

Try to go the company for knowing what is their other business, is it the business really operate, is it is a fake project that they show you. I have checked this all with my own eyes. I'm also a person that only will trust myself, even CEO James Phang talk to me i also didn't trust. But I'm satisfy with the information that i get, so i join it.

Just a matter of time, i agree with you, let see how the company future.

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Added on October 25, 2007, 11:16 amYou also is a member of SE?

This post has been edited by happy4ever86: Oct 25 2007, 11:16 AM

JAMES PHANG claimed that he better than Warren Buffett in The Straits Times, really funny .. loL

Sunshine Empire has all the characteristics of a scam company. High return (so high it's crazy).

Once your money is in... it will never come out. The company will persuade you to keep re-investing your 'money'/points. Then when you try to take out your money, there just an endless dragging to pay you back. They'll drag & drag & drag until one fine day... poof, it just disappears.

My advice is don't do it, for your own conscience. Listen to your instinct, m8. If you came here to ask, that means there's something you suspect is not right. If it is too good to be true, then it is.

My mom went to it's seminar. It was nothing but mind-twisting jibberish. It never detailed it's business plan/concept for everyone. Just talk cock only. It just lightly mention this and that about it's 'business'.

If you really want to invest, you will want more details than that. Ask for prospectus, annual report, quaterly report, financial statement, shareholders' report, investors report, search the website, google it...

And the session is organised like a college club style. Fun and mind-twisting, trying to herd everyone into writing cheques together-gether. It's almost like a cult. They way people behave to make the payments is like a stampede, they are all blinded by money.

And where's the receipt? Where's the proper paperwork? Why do you even need to convert money into points?

ARE YOU REALLY... REALLY SURE YOU WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN ALL THESE?!
Better be safe than sorry. There are better ways to invest your money.

P.S. and don't keep quiet about this. Tell your friends and let them know the risks (there's actually no risk, it's guaranteed you kena scam), before they pay the company.

Just went through their marketing plan in their website.
And it looks like a typical pyramid structured plan.
And SC does not approve pyramid structured plan. Thus my note on why SC is blocking it.

Until SC clear it's "restriction list" it would remain illegal.
Quote from SC website.

Sunshine Empire has all the characteristics of a scam company. High return (so high it's crazy).
= Ya, high return, for us. But for company, it just took out their 10% of monthly profit for our member only. I also taking risk for get those money, NO RISK NO GAIN!!!!

Once your money is in... it will never come out. The company will persuade you to keep re-investing your 'money'/points. Then when you try to take out your money, there just an endless dragging to pay you back. They'll drag & drag & drag until one fine day... poof, it just disappears.
= SE company never dragging for paying out the money since it was start paying out money at September of 2006. Every 10th of month will transfer it to your membership account. You can transfer out to your bank account anytime that you want. It took 7 working days to 14 working days for process transfer money to your bank account. It never later than the days that promise by company.

My advice is don't do it, for your own conscience. Listen to your instinct, m8. If you came here to ask, that means there's something you suspect is not right. If it is too good to be true, then it is.

My mom went to it's seminar. It was nothing but mind-twisting jibberish. It never detailed it's business plan/concept for everyone. Just talk cock only. It just lightly mention this and that about it's 'business'.
= Never detailed it's business plan or concept for everyone? Are you sure? You listen before? Tell me which day you go for listen. Once is business introduce program seminar, another one is marketing plan seminar, does it listen all those seminar? At marketing plan seminar, it will detailed out all those business plan or concept for everyone.

If you really want to invest, you will want more details than that. Ask for prospectus, annual report, quaterly report, financial statement, shareholders' report, investors report, search the website, google it...
= We are not share trading/financing or mutual fund. These kind of business you can ask for annual report, but not for MLM business. Even Amway, at market almost 30 years, also din have annual report let you see.

And the session is organised like a college club style. Fun and mind-twisting, trying to herd everyone into writing cheques together-gether. It's almost like a cult. They way people behave to make the payments is like a stampede, they are all blinded by money.

And where's the receipt? Where's the proper paperwork? Why do you even need to convert money into points?
= Receipt? Have! What kind of proper paperwork do you want? T&C? We have two points, one is EP, another one is MP. Per EP mean per US Dollar, u can transfer it anytime. MP is for buying items at their company internet trading center name EmallEmpire (www.emallempire.com), you want top up, u have to buy with ur EP.

ARE YOU REALLY... REALLY SURE YOU WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN ALL THESE?!
Better be safe than sorry. There are better ways to invest your money.

P.S. and don't keep quiet about this. Tell your friends and let them know the risks (there's actually no risk, it's guaranteed you kena scam), before they pay the company.
= Guaranteed kena scam? SE company scam you before? Scam your friend that beside you before? Tell me which business is no risk.

I have join lot of MLM business before, I guess every MLM business also look like pyramid structured plan. But it's different, try read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme. Pyramid structured is similiar to money games, that mean no product you will get.

SC is blocking it? How they blocking us? Our company still working as usual. If really that illegal, why not come to stop our business and close our company? SC have the power to do this all. Go company analysis yourself, compare the information u get rather than see or listen from outside.

yup, agreed with you

for the others had join sunshine empire, don't re-invest yor money back here

1) AMWAY is a listed company. confirm every year got annual report.
http://www.amway2u.com/corporate/en_US/amabout_corp.jsp
2) any company listed or not also need to have report for share holders to see, if not who the hell knows whats going on with their money
3) Sunshine empire was an investment company, last time no products, no emall, no shit, only selling TAIWAN wireless project which they have no proof to verify its related to them, exactly like swisscash claiming that they are investing in swiss mutual funds
4) boss James Phang is better than Warren Buffett as he claimed, in conning ppl. pls go google for his history, its not only available in the internet but also well known among senior MLMers
5) not possible for a company to promise so high return within such a short period of time, if their project is really that great, really that grand, every bank will send representative to queue to borrow them money. no need to collect investment capital from us the small prawns, correct?

i am not saying that this is a 100% scam company, those are what i found out when i heard about this company almost 2yrs ago.

put yourself out of the company and look back at it from a neutral point of view, see if it still sound so logical to you.

One thing that fell short in our country is the enforcement.
Last time Gold coin trading also illegal; but there's still a lot going on. There's also product to go with the plan.
There's another one previously using the same concept of Gold Coin trading which are paintings. Yeap you get to keep the picture as the "product".
If you're to go through the plans, you'll find that AMWAY and COSWAY are not pyramid structured.
Whereas initial read on the plan published in Sun Empire's site does make it look like pyramid scheme.
So care to share more in depth details about the marketing plan?

Those that got involved in Swiss Cash also got their money and profits. But it's illegal.
Basically everything can earn money; only thing is the "legality" part.
So like you said, LB was listed in SC lists before; eventually it got off the hook because they manage to prove their innocence (though not a big fan of LB cos do not like their business plan). But until that, it's still a warning and typically not safe.
Same as this so called sun empire which you mentioned since September 2006; until now is 1 year.....so when are they going to clear off with SC?!

If they're that legitimate, wouldn't they want to clear it off with SC?! Wouldn't you as an investor or "partner" since it's MLM wants the reputation to be saved?
So what I would like you to ask your company is when are they clearing their name from this SC list? Or what are they doing to rid themselves of the watchlist.
If not, every potential client you met you want to tell them that "yes, we're listed in SC but we're no scam company"?! LOL

Currently there are 2 type of MLM.

Amway, Cosway is also MLM similar type of company, but they actually do sales and product sales did actually generate profit that enable to sustain the 'pyramid scheme' of their commission structure. (We take aside whether their product is overly price and pyramid structure of their commission). This kind of MLM business is sustainable because income for their member is through product profit.
This kind of structure is not against the law and perfectly legal and perfectly ok in business world.

The other one is more on recruitment based, which basically take the late comer joining fee to feed the early bird, this pyramid structure can be sustained for sometimes as later comers keep on joining non-stop and become more and more. But we know, this cannot last forever, once there is not enough late comers joining, the whole structure will collapse as the source of income is the late comers joining fee only. This kind of structure is totally against the law. Previously a lot of pyramid scheme is run based on this structure but had been cracked down by the authorities.

So this kind of company become more clever become a variant that use some products just to make it legal, but the actual company objective is not meant for the product sales, only concentrate on recruitment of late comers. The main income of the company is not the product profit but joining fee so it is not sustainable. This kind of company, any country authorities will find very hard to charge them as they can claim they are doing product sales when come to law on paper but actually they didn't care about the product sales at all. Get it? But we are know it is a ponzi money game.

This are some distinct different between the 2 as mentioned:
The pyramid structured based on recruitment generally will offer their 'investors' a fixed payback/bonus on a period of time so that it looks lucrative and can easily lure people into the recruit.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Oct 25 2007, 05:20 PM

invest in working business doesnt need MLM plan..

Don't know what talking you. SE claimed guarantee return... then you say 'no risk no gain'...
[???]


Why waste everyone's time by having so many seminars? If I want to invest, I want to have all the info as soon as possible so that i can assess whether to put my money in, or not. Why not in proper printed materials, instead just talk and seminars and discussions? You can talk until the cosw comes home and it means nothing.


Eh, you really not thinking right lah. Snap out of yourself. All companies have annual reports. For public companies, the report is open for everyone to read. If the company refuse to let people who wants to invest read its report, then it must be hiding something.

Why not you say all these stuff to a venture capitalist/bank/institutional investor and see how they reply you, eh?!
They'll tell you to get lost and come back when you have a proper investors' prospectus/report.

SE is obviously soliciting people's money to invest (the seminar said so). If you don't have a prospectus, business plan/report, how am I to invest? Just give my money to the company and pray that I'll get it back? Of course I want to know what are you doing with MY MONEY.



I don't know why do you need all these points system when you can trade with real cash/credit.
One reason I suspect is because it's easier to twist and manipulate the points according to the company's complicated policies and rules. You can't do that with real money.

Actually, SE has no risk! It's a guarantee...

Guarantee to hilang!
Bwahahahha!

iamyuanwu... out!
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P.S. Good for you if you're making lots of money. I have too much conscience do what you're doing.

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Oct 25 2007, 07:00 PM

james phang cheerleaders always told about 'guarantee return'... damm, funny indeed

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Added on October 26, 2007, 11:30 amHahaha

Better invest in something that makes more sense rather than investing in this company. Come on man, just invest in stocks,unit trust,derivatives,ETF (Exchange-traded funds) or a business. Susah-susah pergi jual burger la.Please don't waste your money.

This post has been edited by amirbashah: Oct 26 2007, 11:30 AM

invest in stock, unit trust got risk, no guarantee of return, this SE so power one, guarantee earn big money. Everyone invest in it, in no time malaysian GDP will double or triple and every one live happily ever after

This post has been edited by robertngo: Oct 26 2007, 04:34 PM

which business with guaranty return ......
if someone can offer u a guaranty on some product, solution, investment and bla bla ...... just don't think and walk away . it not worth the time u spend .....

In the real world, there is no such thing is guaranteed return except may be FD and bonds that's why their return rate is low (still you have the chance of banks default).

Even Warrent Buffett or Coco-Cola, or McDonalds or whatever profit making company also not date to guarantee they will make x% profit each year although they are pretty sure they are going to earn that much.

true enough.
If you said Guarantee Return , then dont say it is NO RISK NO GAIN.

IRONY.

We want to have a good prospective view of a company.

As for annual report , Amway do give the view of Annual report to their member every time once a year ~ maybe 3 times a year? not so sure le.. lol, went to the seminar, did have read about their annual sales report, profit before tax and after tax.

hi guys, i've joined SE for quite some time ... and its really rowks after i understand the whole concept about SE ...
below are few details about SE ....


1. Sunshine Empire is NOT a Financial Investment Company and it does NOT promote any investment product or any investment scheme.
阳光大帝不是投资公司，也不销售任何投资产品或投资计划。

2. All Merchants who misrepresent or spread false claims about Sunshine Empire Business or Compensation Plan will have the Merchantship terminated immediately
and all the status, rights, benefits and privileges shall be forfeited. Sunshine Empire will also take legal action.
对于阳光大帝事业以及报酬计划，所有被确认告知不实或散播错误讯息的加盟商，其会籍将立即被取消，而且所有等级、权利、利益以及奖励将被全部作废。阳光大帝也会采取法律行动。

3. Sunshine Empire empowers YOU! to operate as an Independent Business Owner, to build your wealth and success using Sunshine Empire approved platform,
tools, products and methodology.
阳光大帝让你！能以独立加盟商的身份，运用阳光大帝的指定平台、工具、产品和商业模式，建造你的财富和成功。

4. The speed and scale of your success is a direct result of your own effort and performance to generate sales volume and production.
你的业务发展的速度与规模取决于你在促进消费量和业绩的真诚努力与表现。

5. CONSUMER REBATE PRIVILEGES ("CRP"): These are our return to you from the profits derived from all consumption generated on the e-Mall Platform.
Sunshine Empire will reward you with e-points that you can use. Over time, you can have the privilege of receiving the total of not exceeding 12,000 e-points.
消费回馈奖 : 这是我们对你在购物网站的总消费所得利润的回报。阳光大帝将奖励电子积分供您使用。随着时间的推移，你可获得总数不超过12,000 电子积分的奖励。

For illustration purpose: - CRP is based on 10% of Sunshine Empire Global Turnover on the e-Mall Platform:
下例用以说明：CRP基于阳光大帝购物网站全球销售额的10%：

Prime Status/优等级 5% 3% 2% Total Rebate Not More Than/总回扣不超过
BP 1 Share/份 - - 300 e-points/电子积分
SP 5 Share/份 1 Share/份 - 2250 e-points/电子积分
GP 20 Share/份 4 Share/份 1 Share/份 12000 e-points/电子积分


6. CONSUMER LOYALTY PRIVILEGES ("CLP"): These are our return to you from the consequential profits generated from resources resulting from the worldwide efforts
of our Most Valued Prime Status Independent International Merchants. Sunshine Empire will reward you with e-points that you can use. Over time, you can have the privilege of receiving the total of not exceeding 60,000 e-points.
消费者忠诚奖 ("CLP") : 这些是我们根据最有价值优等独立国际加盟商在全球赢得的利润对你的奖励。阳光大帝将奖励电子积分供您使用。随着时间的推移，你可获得总数不超过60,000 电子积分的奖励。

7. All Rewards Privileges are dependent on the Sunshine Empire worldwide performance. They are NOT GUARANTEED and will be paid out at the discretion of Sunshine Empire.
所有奖励取决于阳光大帝的全球表现，所以不能担保一定可得、并由阳光大帝全权决定发放。



source - Sunshine Empire merchant page - under re-rentry menu .... u can see the statement ..... GOT RISK ? yeah ... why not ... if there is no risk .. hehe ... must got backup from someone powerful enuf ......


if you wanna know more about SE ... u can go to their office ... No.12 ,Ground Floor,KUB.com,Jalan Yap Kwan Seng .... near KLCC ... if u are interested la ...

This post has been edited by chill: Oct 31 2007, 09:30 PM

You may want to read what Singapore newspaper report on this company



ELECTRIC NEWS

SO WHERE DO SUPER RETURNS COME FROM?
MAS ADVISES INVESTORS NOT TO DEAL WITH BLACKLISTED FIRM
By Alvin Chiang

October 29, 2007




THE returns for this investment is supposedly so 'good' that even famed billionaire investor Warren Buffett can't hold a candle to it.

MrJames Phang, Sunshine Empire's international president, had told The Straits Times in an interview earlier this week that he was a 'legend'.

'I'm very good - better than Warren Buffett,' he declared.


And the company's promises are indeed sweet. It told people at its talk this week that they would get back their $12,000 investment in a year, plus $1,000 every month for the next seven years.

That roughly translates into a 700per cent profit within eight years - compared to Buffet's 21 per cent a year.

That's not all. Each investor would also get $21,000 worth of mobile talktime with Emcall, a local company with links to Sunshine Empire.

The claimed returns are mind-boggling and 20,000 people have signed up here since it was set up last July.

Responding to The New Paper on Sunday's queries, the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) advised investors not to deal with Sunshine Empire.

Noting that the company was put on the Investor Alert List last month, a MAS spokesman said 'entities on this list are not authorised by MAS to conduct regulated activities'.

'In making financial investments, we urge all investors to deal only with persons regulated by MAS,' the spokesman said.

'If investors choose to deal with persons not regulated by MAS, they forgo the protection afforded under laws administered by MAS.'

The concern seems to be that Sunshine Empire, unlike other multi-level marketing firms, allows its members to notch up what seem like profits without buying or selling products. This makes its business model look like a pure financial investment scheme.

MrPhang had said that Sunshine Empire is not an 'investment firm'.

If so, then how does it give such super returns to its investors?

A LawNet check showed that MrPhang - described as 'international president' on the company's website - is not listed as a director or shareholder of Sunshine Empire.

It also showed that Sunshine Empire, which changed its name from Niutrend International in January, is a company 'providing entrepreneur and self-improvement courses'.

It has a paid-up capital of $150,000.

On its website, it said it is involved in 'network marketing' and is interested in 'wealth redistribution'.

It also listed offices in Malaysia, Thailand, Korea, Indonesia, Taiwan and Hong Kong.

There are reasons that MAS raises caution to those who guarantee high returns in a short time. In the US, for instance, some get-rich-quick schemes are known as 'Ponzi' schemes, named after convicted conman Charles Ponzi.

He took US$10million ($14.6m) from 10,000 people in Boston in the early 1920s by guaranteeing investors 50 per cent returns on investments in postal coupons after 45 days.

The website of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) noted: 'A Ponzi scheme is essentially an investment fraud... Instead of investing victims' funds, the operator pays 'dividends' to initial investors using the principle amounts 'invested' by subsequent investors.

'The scheme falls apart when the operator flees with all the proceeds, or when a sufficient number of new investors can't be found to allow the continued payment of 'dividends'.'

In other words, money is taken from Ah Kow to pay initial investor Ah Seng. No goods are bought and sold. Neither is the money collected invested in anything.

Ah Kow's position is riskier than AhSeng's as Ah Kow joined the scheme after Ah Seng. This is because the purpose of recruiting AhKow is to pay Ah Seng, but there is no guarantee someone else can be recruited to pay Ah Kow.

But if everything goes smoothly, no one will complain so long as they are paid on time.

Mr Leong Sze Hian, president of the Society of Financial Service Professionals, thinks that such schemes are normally too good to be true.

He said: 'It's very rewarding and lucrative to those who join at the start. But the funds will dry up eventually and the company will close and set up shop elsewhere, or in another country.'

The bottom line and main question to be asked:

1. How company generate enough profit to provide return to their 'investors'?

2. Since it is not an investment company, so the company must be doing some business to generate profit that eventually give it as a return to their investors
Then, what are the company selling since it is not an investment company? <-- this is key.

My dad has an anology for companies like Sunshine Empire.

Imagine there's a law that forbids people from pang sai. If you pang sai, you will be caught and thrown into jail.

The company is now in the stage of stomach ache. Even if the company looked like it's going to break the law, but he still have not pang sai yet, it has not broken the law yet... so, authorities can't catch him. But by the time he really pang sai, he has already gone far, far away.

Same thing here, because the company has not really scammed anyone yet, authorities can't do a thing. By the time it happens, it's already too late.

Bwahahaha, enjoy the story 'Sunshiners'!
=P

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Oct 31 2007, 11:01 PM

SE has few sub-companies that made it stable ..... go to www.sunshine-empire.com review it there

hahahh love ur pang sai and waiting to see how big is the SAI ......

how come the scheme sound similiar to em-pay.com ?

what we are asking is how do you make profit, the company have so many different project in their website but i dont see anyone have been completed. How come you already have return from investment??? magic happen?

specially the wireless project in taiwan, usually this kind of infrastructure project will take huge amount of capital investment and take years to recover the cost, how can your company generate income for this project so fast ?

one of the most crazy thing i see in the website is this quote for emall empire



age of wealth creation through consumption?? how can you create wealth when consumption. is it i not need to pay but can earn money from buying something??? if like that the vendor will bankrupt in no time.

This post has been edited by robertngo: Nov 1 2007, 05:17 AM

This news from Singapore newspaper will shed some lights on their investment.


The Electric New Paper :

WHAT WATER THEME PARK PROJECTS?

Blacklisted S'pore MLM company unveils lavish M'sian developments. But M'sian authorities say...

THEIR presentation was certainly designed to impress and strike awe.
By Hedy Khoo
29 October 2007

THEIR presentation was certainly designed to impress and strike awe.

With just $12,000, you stand to make many times more by being part of a 'global' company that has stakes in many high-profile projects in the region.

These include a trading portal that is supposedly better than eBay, as well as majestic theme parks in Malacca and Sabah that boast floating villas and underwater hotel rooms.

To prove the point to about 100 people who attended Sunshine Empire's talk last week, a slide show titled Anything Is Possible was shown.

Without any explanation, the audience was shown several pictures, including one of an overcrowded bus in India with some passengers on the roof and others with legs dangling out of the windows.

Another photo showed square watermelons from Japan.

WOULD YOU BELIEVE?

The audience was told: 'To believe or not to believe is up to you.'

Sunshine Empire, a multi-level marketing (MLM) firm, is now on the radar of the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS). Though MLM companies are legal here, MAS has included the firm on its list of unauthorised companies that investors should avoid.

The Securities Commission in Malaysia has also listed Sunshine Empire on its investor-alert list. It advised the public not to make any investment with companies that are not licensed or approved by it.

The commission's website noted: 'Offers often come in the guise of seemingly attractive investment opportunities or schemes and may also be camouflaged as direct-selling or business opportunities.'

In Singapore, a visit to Sunshine Empire's office in Toa Payoh Hub saw several people there holding stacks of cash, presumably to pay for their investment.

One man had a thick stack of Indonesian rupiah.

Earlier, they had been given a brief overview of 'the Empire', as it is called, detailing its ventures in a range of businesses from telecommunications to health to property.

A representative showed various slides of the company's regional projects, including two impressive marine theme park developments in Malacca and Sabah.

Graphics of the park in Malacca showed an intricate network of floating villas and structures on the water which formed the shape of a lion's head. The park also has an adjoining condominium project.

Artists' impressions of the park in Sabah, called The Magic Kingdom, showed a lavish underwater hotel.

An aerial view showed a network of structures in the water which took the shape of an lobster. These structures are purportedly underwater hotel rooms.

'You can open the curtains to your room and see your friends swimming outside,' the representative said.

However, the Malaysian authorities appeared to be unaware of the projects.

When contacted by The New Paper on Sunday, the press secretary to the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Environment Sabah, MrFrancis Au Chee Thong, said he had not heard about the Empire's plan to build a water theme park in Sabah.

Mr Au said: 'To our Ministry's knowledge, we have no information relating to a water theme park project.

'And, at this point, there is no such project that is under construction or in progress in Sabah at the moment.'

As for the project in Malacca, Datuk Zaini Md Nor, the mayor of Malacca City Council, told The New Paper on Sunday that the council had indeed received an application in August for approval of a piece of 0.87-ha land (slightly larger than a football field).

The land, located at Pekan Klebang, is listed under developer Empire Property Venture, an affiliate of Sunshine Empire. It is supposed to be for a commercial building.

However, the mayor said the application is still being processed.

On the water theme park, Datuk Zaini said: 'No application has been made to the city Council for the building of a water theme park till today.'

Nevertheless, the Empire's projects were not the only thing that impressed visitors.

Its sprawling office on the seventh floor of Toa Payoh Hub exudes opulence. Crystal chandeliers cascade from the ceiling and the marble walls are trimmed in gold.

The company's logo - a lion's head - is imprinted everywhere, from the carpet to a painting spanning an entire wall of the lobby.

At the reception was a stream of people queuing up to hand money to the receptionists. At least two people in the queue held wads of $50 notes.

The New Paper on Sunday had earlier phoned the number listed on the Sunshine Empire website and the woman who answered said it was not an investment company.

She also asked for the name of our 'introducer' and recommended we attend the 8pm presentation.

YOUNG SPEAKER

At the presentation, the speaker was a young woman who appeared to be in her mid-20s. She was dressed smartly in a black blazer over white business shirt and skirt.

The talk took the tone of a motivational speech with the speaker running up from the back of the room to the stage energetically.

The audience of about 50 (with 50 more in another room) appeared to come from all walks of life. There were housewives in their 50s, 20-somethings in office wear and a handful of teenagers. Among them were several people dressed in black suits.

At regular intervals, the speaker would urge the audience to applaud themselves.

She would ask: 'Who is here to learn how to make more money?'

When some in the audience responded with a show of hands, she exclaimed: 'Give yourselves a big round of applause!'

A 17-year-old student, who wanted to be only known as Tan, told us he was approached by a friend from the company two weeks ago.

He said: 'My friend told me about a part-time job with many benefits and I can start with just $2,000.

'All I need to do is to keep the money in the account for 11 months and every month, the company would pay me a sum.

'At the end of 11 months, I would get my money back, and the company would still pay me a monthly sum. My friend said he earned $1,000 in two weeks.'

In the end, Tan said he did not sign up as he did not want to have his money tied up for 11 months.
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Until now, a lot of people struggling to know what is the company business? what are they selling? Can't find in their website or information regarding it.
Anybody knows?

When one look into a company and decided to work or invest for a particular company, there's a point that everyone had to consider.
How is the company going to pay you or what is keeping the company alive?

That's why, if the company doesn't have solid products or services; I usually wouldn't even want to look at it.

LB can survive because they got their own range of products no matter how many ppl despise it. I for one is not interested because the price to pay for the product is overrated and I don't see the value in the product. But there's still certain ppl who saw the value and would buy the product; thus it can survive.

So to those in SE, can you pls tell me the value of the products/services which is going to sustain the growth of the business?

The overrated or overpriced product is the company profit that make it sustainable and survive which is also make it legal and not against the law. Morale and business ethnic is another issue.
After all, what is matter is the company profit and cash flow through the product/service selling.

If based on recuritment/joining then it is purely a money game, or Ponzi game as descirbed by others.

Ditto.........
But only heard of this Sunshine Empire through LYN. Never heard of the existence until now......

Sunshine sell Emcall talk time and Mall Point that can exchange items at www.emallempire.com

Kind to elaborate what is 'point' mentioned, can't find any explaination or details about it in their website either.

Then how company making profit from it and how the profit is distributed?

What is the amount of the profit distribution as company projected for their 'investors'?

This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 1 2007, 08:43 PM

can you also share how many customer this site have every month and how much sales it is making?

The point is called Mall Point (MP), once u purchase the package to become members, u will get different amount of MP with purchase any different of package. 1000MP same with $1 USD. Let say the Gold Package, you will get the 50,000MP, same with USD $750, equal to RM 2775. Noted that you cannot change the MP to cash.

Once you buy redeem items from our e-shop(www.emallempire.com), company will get the 1% commission from the items, that's the company profit. Malaysia now almost have near 100,000 of members, that is only malaysia. Most largest trading place is China and Taiwan. Because Malaysia just start, not many members of SE open e-shop yet. After that, every month company will turn over out 10% of their monthly profit to our sunshine members. Amount of the profit distribution is depend on which package u buy, range from RM 50 - RM 3000 like that, and also depend eMall Empire monthly profit.

Also, when u bought the members package, you will get telecommunication airtime service. Let say for Gold Package, you will get a 4 years of air time, each month have $75 USD let you use, total 4 years is $3600 USD, also equal to RM 13320. Company also make profit from this service, after that company will use that profit for building their business project like Taiwan Wireless City. The Wireless City is finish built up, now open free testing until next month February, will start collect money from March. Once the wireless city, we will get another Bonus called Customer Loyalty Program, will share almost 50% of their monthly profit.

Currently Malaysia almost have 100,000 members, only Malaysia. The most largest trading place is China and Taiwan. Because Malaysia still new, not many SE members open e-shop.

Let say only have 50,000 members buying items, each time they only use 10,000MP buy items, that is 500,000,000MP = $7,500,000 USD = RM 27,750,000. Of course, this is the lower budget calculating, and is only in Malaysia.

wah china ar ??? so they doing MLM or direct sales in china ar ??

at first, sunshine empire attracts investors to venture into their Taiwan wireless project, and as part of their effort to convince investors to get even more investors, they chartered a plane to fly those "bigger investors" to Taiwan to see their project in progress, and that was back in early 2006.

then of late, my friend who went to Hong Kong for business trip came back telling us that Sunshine Empire set up a luxurious office at Kowloon area where the members there are told of another MEGA project in Malaysia and they would fly those investors to Malaysia to see their investment.(good strategy right? fly malaysian go taiwan, then fly hongkie come malaysia, at the end of the day everybody goes back happy thinking their money is well invested, but....)

now they claim to be property developer as well, from a chinese magazine my housemate saw a couple of days ago, malacca chief minister ali rustam was present at their ground breaking ceremony in malacca, project is shown in website linked below
http://empirepropertyventure.com/
whatever it is, i think public will find it very confusing where local newspaper oriental daily warned against investing in sunshine empire while malacca chief minister is officiating the ground breaking of a supposedly black listed company by securities commission.
what the hell is going on in malaysia?

i think it should be highlighted that sunshine empire has no relationship with company below though one of sunshine empires affiliate is also named emcom technology(established year 2006) while the taiwanese company below since 1975, it is pretty misleading(perhaps another well planned move of Uncle James??)
http://www.emcom.com.tw/



this i see already also wanna laugh

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Added on November 2, 2007, 3:05 amif im not mistaken, seems like MLM/direct sales company license very diff to get in china, so i doubt if its officially in china with AJL(china) license to operate with.

This post has been edited by beginner: Nov 2 2007, 03:05 AM

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Added on November 2, 2007, 3:05 am
if im not mistaken, seems like MLM/direct sales company license very diff to get in china, so i doubt if its officially in china with AJL(china) license to operate with.

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for my knowledge direct sales should be allow in china before 2010 (currently still not, china GOV still consider it but it won't happen till 2008), MLM is ban from china and have no news or even rumors about China GOV is thinking abt it ........

But sunshine able to do it . haha

This post has been edited by SonnyCooL: Nov 2 2007, 03:12 AM

Although i'm not sunshine empire member here and i don't support James Phang but just don't laugh people first, coz you won't know what happen to the future and you don't have the rights to laugh him, only Warren Buffet have the rights.

Yes, moral and business ethics is the thing that I cannot tahan about all these companies. Technically, they're legal... technically. Morally, I think it's just plain wrong and it's just like scamming.
Digressing a bit... My cousin was coerced to join. After joining, she was forced to attend various seminars and stuff frequently, which all cost a fair amount of money. In the end, discontinued her studies because the whole damn thing was just too distracting, and she was depressed. Her 'friend', continued to harrass her personal life even after she had decided to quit. Rugi about RM3k++ in about 9 months.

If the James Phang dude makes even 1% of what Warren Buffett is making (most probably by scamming ), then he can brag until the cow jumps over the m00n.

Until then... he can *insert nasty phrases here*

I have the rights to laugh him coz my mouth belongs to me. Very cocky to say only warren buffet have the rights to laugh him. Why? just because he's richer than him? What logic is this?

Hmm nvm.. now I change my target already and is laughing at you and the kind of statement you put here.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Nov 3 2007, 01:47 PM

Then let the future plan for you!

James Phang is better than Warren Buffet??? ROFLOL, he is really cocky to compare himself with Buffet, the greatest invester of our time. If he beat the record of Buffet that average return of above 30 percent for more than 30 year, i will believe he is the better man. dont be so proud if you company grow very rapidly for the first few year. Can he be able to maintain the grow the next 30 year?

may i know why he said himself (James Phang) is better then Warren Buffet ??
cause according to this

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/10/07bill...ffett_C0R3.html

estimated current net worth of around US$52 billion..

while the Riches Chinese is Li Ka-shing, with about $13 billion...
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2...tent_424079.htm

so where does James Phang stand ?? i can't seem to find his name in the LIST , so
why is he better than warren buffett ?

this is the interview, i cannot stop laughing when reading this. only control USD 300 million claim to be better that Warren and buying company like beancurd. Please lah, try to buy Genting or UOB bank and see if you have enough money. By the way Berkshire Hathaway market cap is now USD 144 Billion and one share is 135k.




This post has been edited by robertngo: Nov 4 2007, 12:56 AM

I found this phrase is something wrong with its word. Is it needed to emphasis your businesses are legal? while joining member won't be harmed?

The company also involve in finance, insurance, telecommunication? if it does then what a congolmerate. Then why it is under the scurinitised by Singapore, Malaysia as well as China authorities, those businesses are perfectly legal, what?

Confused confused

Normally rich people won't claim he/she is rich, smart people won't claim they are smart, this is as far as I know.

So far, in information ages *based on internet application, google is the most successful party as to date.

Just hope to clear up the situation. As the more we read the more we are confused now.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 4 2007, 02:47 PM

That's why i said we don't know the future what will happen. You thought Warren Buffet never laugh by someone before? Of course got but just we don't know, coz our generation is young. Just like Uncle Lim, many people also got laughing to him before when he want to open the genting hill, but today also success. If everyone thinking & mindset also same like Uncle Lim, then i can tell you that today Uncle Lim will not listed in the Forbes.

This post has been edited by rstusa: Nov 4 2007, 12:26 PM

senior MLMers should know how is james phang actually

mind shed some light on that?

Warren Buffett had never been laughed at, you can be sure on this.

People who have have the opportunity to meet him in his youth realised the potential he had, and still have.

It takes no genius to know what it is all about.

Well planned ponzi, but with a more practical product compared with LB. But this Sunshine is full of bullshyt, infact too much of it.

If his business plan is that good, that great, he wouldn't need any of those junk seminar. Warren Buffet probably would invest in him.

he just high class Ah-Beng in singapore, nothing more than that

I think they have a post on this a long time ago..

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/457168

then a quite funny.. why still got somebody here interested to invest in this type of company

there is always ppl blinded by greed, this is why this kind of ponzi scheme always have ppl to con. ppl always want to believe there is a easy way to earn big bucks. these kind of company just make up nice stories about how revolutionary their business concept is and the fabulous return they will give out.

This post has been edited by robertngo: Nov 6 2007, 03:02 PM

How about QUEST NET that we heard last time? I think also same like sunshine, coz both of them using same binary system.

This post has been edited by rstusa: Nov 6 2007, 03:05 PM

its funny how this goes..

a person comes out and ask about the company..

a lot of people condemn it..

a person working/a part of the company supports it..

and the cycle goes on and on and on..

what important is, be very careful, open your eyes and listen..

the most funny thing parts, SE agents prefer to trust their founder( father's of SE ) rather than their local authorities that Securities Commission of Malaysia and Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS)

This post has been edited by fiqir: Nov 6 2007, 03:56 PM

so far there is still nothing wrong with the SE, security commision of malaysia and sg just blacklist them bcoz has no legal permit to accept investment from public. in these kind of situation, the only proof saying SE is scam is when they run away with the money..

That's why lah I say, it's like trying to catch someone pang sai.

Now stomach ache only... belum buang air besar lagi. So SC cannot do anything.

When the time comes, it's already too late. Already bloody diarrhoea... like kena E. coli O157H7 infection liddat.
Die also tak boleh, live also tak boleh.

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Nov 6 2007, 05:30 PM

But they said got RM3billion project in kl & melaka so the gov won't simply take action to their company, coz they said the RM3billion can help country and stop the gov taking action to them.

Who can verify the source?

what u meant nothing wrong with SE ? .. when they run with the money.. it too late already

READ this first

The sunshine villa malacca still being process right? How if the application successful process? If really happen on that time, what will you feel? And what you will say?

If the company is building a condo, just say so lah.
Why mislead/lie/cheat/con/scam the public about water theme park and Magic[-ly disappearing] Kingdom, eh?

Should the condo be built on time... then good for the 'investors'. I guess I'll have to eat my word and my opinion about the company have to change then.

However, I deeply suspect the condo is just a show to convince prospective 'scammees'. I think when it eventually pang sai, it'll just leave the half-built condo and cabut.

Another possibility is that the condo is actually built by another developer. SE just bribe them a bit to allow SE to bring visitors to the construction site and brag.

In any case, it LIED about the theme park and magic kingdom.
DO NOT overlook this point! For me, it's enough to doubt the company and its activities.

Governments can't do anything with SE because they cannot just close SE based on what SE might do. Until it runs away with the money, it is still not a scam.... yet.
Until then, gahmens can only suspect the company and caution the public. Having the monetary authorities of 3 countries (Singapore, Malaysia and China) suspecting SE speaks volume.
If you are running an honest business, why would anyone wants to ban you?

Rm3 billion *even divided into half as it mentioned KL & Melaka for project as large as a football field or a condo?

If there is really a Rm3 billion project then shouldn't be hard to find out or coverage in media and newspaper? A Rm3 billions project is huge.

Yes ho? Why not publish to newspaper?

This post has been edited by rstusa: Nov 6 2007, 10:09 PM