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post Aug 19 2023, 10:58 PM, updated 3y ago

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Hi all,

I just went to take a look at Ilham Residence 3 / Elmina Green 7 today.

Any idea why Ilham Residence follow strata development? What's the benefit? I also went to Gamuda Gardens, all their townships there are following strata development as well.

Still need to fork out easy RM350/month for maintenance fees.

When I ask, there are no special facilities i.e. swimming pool, no high maintenance cost items like lifts, also the sampah is collected by local city council.

So what is the logic of a strata landed development? What are the pros and cons?
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post Aug 19 2023, 11:13 PM

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Good impression, all facade will be same due to stratta not allow to renovate outside , less pets issue due to no gate , better security because got guard Ronda Ronda 😅
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post Aug 19 2023, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(keanutan @ Aug 19 2023, 11:13 PM)
Good impression, all facade will be same due to stratta not allow to renovate outside , less pets issue due to no gate , better security because got guard Ronda Ronda 😅
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But what's the point? My condo around 10 years old, already have people do their own shit and management office cannot be enforcing everything.
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post Aug 20 2023, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 19 2023, 10:58 PM)
Hi all,

I just went to take a look at Ilham Residence 3 / Elmina Green 7 today.

Any idea why Ilham Residence follow strata development? What's the benefit? I also went to Gamuda Gardens, all their townships there are following strata development as well.

Still need to fork out easy RM350/month for maintenance fees.

When I ask, there are no special facilities i.e. swimming pool, no high maintenance cost items like lifts, also the sampah is collected by local city council.

So what is the logic of a strata landed development? What are the pros and cons?
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Landed Strata is less dense compared to condo (unit per sq ft). Hence, lower number of units means lower amount collected, which caused a high maintenance fee in spite of no swimming pool and other high maintenance device.

The fee is used for security, landscaping (all the fancy trees and stuffs need to be maintained), clubhouse/gym/swimming pool (if any), street lights within the plot of land, etc.

The pros are security, good view and clean neighbourhood. This maintain and increases the property values.

The cons are high maintenance fee that is subjected to increase further down the road. If the residents chose not accept the hike, the place will be poorly maintained and make it less desirable. It will cause the property value to drop.


Personally, I prefer landed with individual title but with gated and guarded. It's way cheaper in maintenance fee and I get to renovate my house the way I like. However, due to lack of such options, price & location, I had to settled for strata landed. haiz...
The consolation prize is the JMB is lenient in terms of renovation of the outer part of the house.


Anyway, you can read more on the pros & cons in this article:
Pros and cons of strata landed properties
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ded-properties/

This post has been edited by Gabriel03: Aug 20 2023, 12:33 AM
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post Aug 20 2023, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 19 2023, 10:58 PM)
Hi all,

I just went to take a look at Ilham Residence 3 / Elmina Green 7 today.

Any idea why Ilham Residence follow strata development? What's the benefit? I also went to Gamuda Gardens, all their townships there are following strata development as well.

Still need to fork out easy RM350/month for maintenance fees.

When I ask, there are no special facilities i.e. swimming pool, no high maintenance cost items like lifts, also the sampah is collected by local city council.

So what is the logic of a strata landed development? What are the pros and cons?
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I own landed individual title yet I still prefer strata. RM350 is absurd with no facilities. M.fees is actually your fix commitment along your loan which eventually could be higher in future.

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post Aug 21 2023, 09:47 AM

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from my point view, landed strata mainly is for compound security plus landscape.. if both not your main concern than go with individual.. monthly fee can spent to upgrade your plot..

if corner lot, better go individual, else you will see extra land wasted as can't do any structure-up..
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post Aug 21 2023, 10:16 AM

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dmc only for strata. but having say that. MC is as stronger as enforcement. else is back to sq 1. individual is for RA.
all depend on how strong is the neighbourhood and MC
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post Aug 21 2023, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 19 2023, 11:27 PM)
But what's the point? My condo around 10 years old, already have people do their own shit and management office cannot be enforcing everything.
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QUOTE(keanutan @ Aug 19 2023, 11:13 PM)
Good impression, all facade will be same due to stratta not allow to renovate outside , less pets issue due to no gate , better security because got guard Ronda Ronda 😅
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Include cleanliness and beautiful landscaping !
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post Aug 21 2023, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(rumahwip @ Aug 21 2023, 10:16 AM)
dmc only for strata. but having say that. MC is as stronger as enforcement. else is back to sq 1. individual is for RA.
all depend on how strong is the neighbourhood and MC
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Not very true, DMC also can also apply to individual title house, developer can prepare it for buyer to sign, so ALL BUYERS are voluntarily agreed to be binded with DMC signed as proof, no one can skip. It work like hybrid btw strata and individual. So owner who bought corner lot with huge land can still do extension and renovation with approval from JMB, but must follow colour code and guidelines. intermediate lot can do extension for small empt land at back yard. This is how Jadehill work.

For strata, no permanent extension is allowed even if you buy corner lot with huge land.

So buyer must know what are they buying for.
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post Aug 21 2023, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 19 2023, 10:58 PM)
Hi all,

I just went to take a look at Ilham Residence 3 / Elmina Green 7 today.

Any idea why Ilham Residence follow strata development? What's the benefit? I also went to Gamuda Gardens, all their townships there are following strata development as well.

Still need to fork out easy RM350/month for maintenance fees.

When I ask, there are no special facilities i.e. swimming pool, no high maintenance cost items like lifts, also the sampah is collected by local city council.

So what is the logic of a strata landed development? What are the pros and cons?
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I have started a thread on this exact same issue here, you can look for it. Ilham developments will have a separate clubhouse with facilities but this will be optional in the future (free for 2 yrs) so that if you don't use, don't have to pay. Basically the facade will be maintained. No ugly colours and crazy extensions allowed. Better security as maintenance payments easily enforced against defaulters. With sinking fund collection, future upgrades are possible eg. electric fencing and cctvs all around. House Rules can be enforced ie. no littering/throwing of rubbish like bulk rubbish on roadside, growing pisang trees outside your house, parking rules etc. But the downside is pay maintenance every month. SDP mitigate this by installing solar panel to provide green electricity to lower your electric bill plus separate clubhouse. So its a fair trade off.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 19 2023, 10:58 PM)
Hi all,

I just went to take a look at Ilham Residence 3 / Elmina Green 7 today.

Any idea why Ilham Residence follow strata development? What's the benefit? I also went to Gamuda Gardens, all their townships there are following strata development as well.

Still need to fork out easy RM350/month for maintenance fees.

When I ask, there are no special facilities i.e. swimming pool, no high maintenance cost items like lifts, also the sampah is collected by local city council.

So what is the logic of a strata landed development? What are the pros and cons?
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If you
- just need a simple landed house
- ok for residents to just park the cars beside the road. If rebut car park then settle among yourselves
- you or your neighbour like to renovate and paint the house in personal preferences, full liberty as long approve by municipal for huge extension
- no need nice landscape and playground, satisfying with all facilities provide by municipal including playground
- feel ok if your neighbour would like to skip monthly management fee as long as he continue to use visitor lane to get in.
- all visitors record is purely on paper and rely on guard self effort. (Unlike strata or individual with DMC, all visitors must be registered by owner through App and if they did anything wrong, owner have to bear for consequences , so visitor is strictly managed.)
- usually only have two/three guards on duty for whole neighborhood (strata or DMC will have at least 10 and above)
- normal CCTV (strata or individual with DMC use security grade CCTV for whole perimeter, with either motion or vibration detection features)

then you can just buy for non strata house/ individual with Resident association. Usually the monthly fee is just rm60 or RM80.

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strate - many more guards, can have apps to register vsitors, when u away can make sure guards come ur house ronda more frequently

and prevent others from leeching by not paying monthly fees, every house needs to pay so its fair

downside, pay until hamkachan still need to pay
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post Aug 21 2023, 01:01 PM

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Actually there is another unique feature applicable to Selangor only but not KL. The state law does not allow foreigners to buy landed individual title but they can buy strata landed title houses. Subject to zone value limits of course. Technically, if you buy individual landed, you can only sell to locals but if you buy strata, you can also sell to foreigners.
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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Aug 21 2023, 11:36 AM)
Include cleanliness and beautiful landscaping !
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Even lamppost also different, come with some design features
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post Aug 21 2023, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Aug 21 2023, 12:43 PM)
I have started a thread on this exact same issue here, you can look for it. Ilham developments will have a separate clubhouse with facilities but this will be optional in the future (free for 2 yrs) so that if you don't use, don't have to pay. Basically the facade will be maintained. No ugly colours and crazy extensions allowed. Better security as maintenance payments easily enforced against defaulters. With sinking fund collection, future upgrades are possible eg. electric fencing and cctvs all around. House Rules can be enforced ie. no littering/throwing of rubbish like bulk rubbish on roadside, growing pisang trees outside your house, parking rules etc. But the downside is pay maintenance every month. SDP mitigate this by installing solar panel to provide green electricity to lower your electric bill plus separate clubhouse. So its a fair trade off.
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How much is the green energy capacity generation in kWh via solar per month roughly?

What if you use lesser than you generate?
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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Aug 21 2023, 01:01 PM)
Actually there is another unique feature applicable to Selangor only but not KL. The state law does not allow foreigners to buy landed individual title but they can buy strata landed title houses. Subject to zone value limits of course. Technically, if you buy individual landed, you can only sell to locals but if you buy strata, you can also sell to foreigners.
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Yes, but minimum RM2mil dry.gif
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 21 2023, 01:12 PM)
How much is the green energy capacity generation in kWh via solar per month roughly?

What if you use lesser than you generate?
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I don't have all the details but from what i understand, the excess electricity is fed back into the grid and you get paid by TNB for it.
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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Aug 21 2023, 12:57 PM)
strate - many more guards, can have apps to register vsitors, when u away can make sure guards come ur house ronda more frequently

and prevent others from leeching by not paying monthly fees, every house needs to pay so its fair

downside, pay until hamkachan still need to pay
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post Aug 21 2023, 02:00 PM

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Questions - Who does:

1. Sampah collection
2. Repair / resurface roads
3. Repair water pipe leakage underground
4. Cut grass

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