Hello /k!

I guess this topic is better geared towards the prev gen boomers/genX who admittedly went through a different type of Hell.

So after work, i reach home frustrated and unmotivated as always but I have taken steps to try and learn some programming...want to try my hand in IT by the mid of next year.

Issue is..i come home tired like setoberi, sure I can force myself to study (been doing that), but not very effective. What are your post-work trying to study tips?

Serious answers to help focus.

Thanks /k!

just sleep early, wake up at 3am or 4am study.. conlanfirm effective

Stop browsing /k becos time easily flies if u browsing here non stop.

Sleep early la

1) Use music as motivation / to improve your mood to study?
2) Do something that makes you happy first before studying.
3) Are you actually interested/passionate about programming, or is it just follow the crowd?

Check this thread:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5389420

Tired due to lack of sleep or lack of exercise?

give me ur address and i will burn your house if you dont study after coming back from work

build up your stamina first, do exercise, sleep early, slowly you can focus

study in morning

normally after work already tired, true story

sleep at 10pm ka?

how early..i currently sleep at 1am

1 and 2, tak jalan. Still by the time i start, the mental fatigue is already showing.

3. Nope at this rate none of my passions are going to pay the bills.

Yeah..my mental state totally barai that time. Now much better due to exercise+cutting off certain people...at least it looks that way

This post has been edited by waka14: Aug 8 2023, 11:27 AM

What kind of work so tiring?

Since you have time to /k, then use the time between work to learn your interest. This way you keep being motivated on both work and hobby by keep switching your mind between subject.

I learn VBA to ease my work during office time and able to get more free time by reducing about probably 80% my work load. Now I can do also other hobby working on Adruino project. Weekend I can do other things like woodwork too

I am not sure..currently 2x a week. Nothing extreme though.

the friend i need. Mana u punya area?

hmm..exercise abit2 daily..then same thing study abit2 also?

oh wai

Well i prepare a fkton of economic/business reports that i need to spend hours reading. When i come to /k, that usually means that I sudah giveup...and need time to breathe lmao.

TBH, i would do that..but office computer sudah block alot of things..Cannot install a compiler here..else can jalan. But without compiler can jalan x? unless i use those from w3school. But that is not the same as the actualy working environment i suppose right?

dedicate your weekends for studying

when you are tired, don't learn things that requires your brain power. you will find it hard to focus and then waste more time, especially in programming. I always tell ppl never code when you are tired, it just get messy and making bad solution.

u should consult ikankering
he knew everything.

Do u exercise?? U need to do some workout, or at least walking in the park, drink lots of water n have enough sleep, enough sun also. Else u wont feel good

macam ktard Jasonist cakap..sleep earlier wake up earlier few hours will feel much fresher and take in stuff easier

all the best TS

I just quit my job & took a career break + study full-time instead.. lel
tried studying while working. after work, just too tired mentally/physically to study.

Well, long reading is tiring even though not much of physical movement.

I forgot. One advantage that I have is that I have admin right that I can install and uninstall anything and anytime I wanted like certain IT people. Even managers/directors do not have this right I get IT guy give me Admin right. Otherwise it would be difficult for me to work because clients files are using many apps thus many different format. I need to find apps to be able to open and view.

Maybe you need to get close to IT guys. If not one audit your PC, then probably you can bypass the admin right using software to install apps

2023 still learn programming and plan for career change? AI will automates coding creation.

Stop giving excuses cb. Just sleep early.

Setoberi


Real men find ways to do ti

im definitely feeling it lol

i do, but just 2x weekly.

im not a morning person..but i can try i suppose..

i was actually contemplating of going that route,doing grabcar parttime or something.

Exercise, srs.
I find myself more alert after an hour on thread mill

IT guys do everything remote from the Australia...so i have no control at all..yamete

well, you got a better suggestion? for something that I can transition into and reach RM6-8k salary within 4yrs of working? Because i tried...nothing came up asides the programmer types of job.

Great advise thanks
lmao...thats why im on /k no? to find ways of doing it

This post has been edited by waka14: Aug 8 2023, 12:50 PM

Working is not about salary, it's about your passion. You said you already tired and don't have the "motivation" to study after work, so I guess you don't have passion on this field.

Just FYI, I'm doing network security, I don't even reach your defined salary range within 4 years of working, but I always study after work and even on weekends, attend certification exams every 2-3 months, it's boring life and keep rinse and repeat. I dare not to say I have passion on this field but I'm still motivated to study after work...

a friend of mine does cyberscurity...within 3yrs he sudah earning 7k++. But he took a bunch of certs along the way, started working at age 30 without any prior experience.

I do not have a choice unfortunately, i need money to fix my life and other career's will force me to start at a salary of 2.6k or so (family commitment, parents and etc...so i got that nonsense to worry about)...even worse im 29, so those fresh grad jobs wont bother with me, i tried applying alot of places...probably closing 800 applications at this rate. So at this rate, i only know one thing.

passions wont put food on the table for me. Sales? well, i do not have that type of security to do sales lmao..so this is the last thing i can think of. My current industry is a super niche thing...as a trade officer to one of the embassies..so outside of my field, really macam no where to go at this rate. To make matters worse, the industry that I am in are slowly turning permanent staffs into contract staffs thanks to our political uncertainty..so pretty much no reason to stay in this line sudah and its just a matter of time before things get real sour.

This post has been edited by waka14: Aug 8 2023, 01:04 PM

Later work gg lo sleep in chair haha

True programming not for everyone. Same like doctor engineer lawyer

Usually I go refresh myself at boss 2feidei port after a hardworking day

If you passionate about something, you yourself will find way to do it

If u don’t look forward to it regardless how tired you are, stop kidding yourself and move on to something you are passionate about

For me fitness is my passion and no matter how fucked up my day was I will find time to do it.

If I can’t find it in myself, I will listen to David goggins podcast….a man that ran a marathon with bad cartilage is telling me to dig deep into myself. Always when I almost quit, goggin podcast give me strength.

Remember when u are in deep pain and can’t do it anymore, it’s only 40 percent of what you can achieved. There is 60 percent more to give

You don’t know me son…stay hard

Classic symptoms of wanting change because of own future but the interest to grind for it is not there.

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same here, but i use chatgpt to write the vba for me instead and those code work almost all the time.

with chatgpt now u dont even need to know coding, like myself just key in your condition or queries and chatgpt will do it all for you.

You got interest in coding or just blinded with the reported salary figures?

If your determined enough you will sacrifice your sleep (i.e sleep and wake up early) and your weekends to achieve your goal.

just salary, no passion involved. My passions are not something that can be monetised unfortunately.

Agreed, that's what I'm trying to say.

To TS, programming not really suitable for you based on observing your reply. It's really hard-core technical and really needed passionate. Ever thought of changing direction to Project Manager role instead? There are free course and gov sponsorship to study on project management.

what is your profession then? 4.8k at 29 is quite good though

Act it dun matter pun whether you got 8 hours of sleep or not. Janji your sleep cycle is correct.

Me before work also tired

What is your current job? Why want to enter IT? Do u know how streneous IT line is? Do u know how fucked up programmers life is? You see the money but the jobs are really fucked up.

Doesn't your current job have career progression?

Turn off all distractions and then just focus on the content. Currently just started studying for some cloud certificates online. Not easy as I tend to procastinate things.

but needs alot of experience to become a project manager of any industry right no?

Trade officer to an embassy...thank you but life threw me a curveball that i need money to fix lel

If got career progression i wont be so bitter, got also very limited. The progression would be to join other embassies,trade department within this field. Vacancies are very far and few in between...worse yet thanks to our political climate, many are pulling back their funding. So if i stay here for another 2 years, probaby might get retreched or changed to a contract role.

Why? money lo...i mean im already miserable..might as well have money/career progression while im feeling that way VS to not having enough.

How is your progress so far? how many hours a day do you commit to your studies tho?
Good luck!

Normally my concentration goes about 45min stretches. So I try to aim for 3-4 45min stretches. Any longer and I get distracted or nothing goes into my head LOL.

damn, how u manage to get past the mindset of "i should be earning mani now"
i wanna study but theres a lot of opportunity cot involve

trade officer to embassy should know a lot of big shot ma, can try ask them tulung

I see... looks like between a rock and a hard place.

Not sure how hectic the job of a trade officer is, but if it can always clock out at 6pm then it should be quite a routine and not hectic one. Then need to find the strength and motivation to move forward.

In terms of self study, maybe u can try to enroll in courses that have some form of structure or certification. Maybe can try to ask around OUM if they have such course. Structure is good so that you can have a goal in mind when u study. That way u will try to fight through any tiredness because there is a goal.

If cannot OUM, can also try those online courses like udemy. Most important is that u self study with a focus and goal in mind.

And u should know that IT line is going to be gruesome. If u cannot study after work, u will face problems when u really do the actual IT work.

i used to think liddat, but very risky. most of them close to the Big boss...later they snitch on me. GG 24hr tendang keluar.

for me it was more or less because "I could be earning mani but it would still be the same amount as it was before, nothing would change"
hence the do-or-die decision to just quit, focus full-time study & get a cert to increase my 'value'

thats one way, thanks a bunch

Depends if you are mentally or physically tired. If physically you can sleep early, eat better and do exercises. Taking vitamin B can also help.

If its a mental thing, then you need to identify cause, toxic workplace, overworked and see if you can change the situation. Mental is more difficult to solve.

go tempat beristirehat la

i see.
then mine is diff story
ayam wanna do it because its my dream
but not necessaily will pay higher, esp initially . im taking a huge paycut. later on then maybe can get higher pay.

but sometimes dreams arae bigger than mani alone.

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Aug 8 2023, 03:29 PM

mine is definitely mental. Generally fighting the feeling or hatred of my situation and constantly not enuff mani.

im also doing programming after work
usually after work just makan dinner, watch netflix and rest a bit then 8-9pm baru start study until 11+ then read manga n tidur

Take a 30min to an hour power nap before you start.

Go massage