Anyone change before?
China bulb very cheap, Narva seems like good product, at least branded and got big heatsink.

Easy to install?
did the bulb it last?
blinding other driver or not?

reflector headlight or projector headlight with auto leveling?

in simple terms

can you see the bulb or just seeing a opaque half circle while looking from the front

do not install if your headlights is halogen type,will blind people

if projecter ok, if reflector dont

HID is illegal and glaring, LED is legal
so not sure why people still go for HID

but buy LED, stick to reputable brand, it last longer

what car you using on?

Proceed if it projector type.

if ur car using reflector type, dont as it will proceed to glare other road users. Doesnt't matter if you do levelling after that, the reflection of the LED (if previous model is halogen bulb) is bad, there will be light leak that glare others.(except for Honda City, the reflector used in that model (current gen/previous gen) seems to work ok with LED).

Dont buy china one, lifetime is not good. If you see other that uses LED but only 1 side is working, mostly using china one. It just did not last long. buy a branded one like OSRAM or Philips

same, i tried before, will blind opposite people also

you can get H4 led projector if you have reflector type housing, but you still need to adjust the beam afterward.
and also the high beam is shit on those led projector..

Projector headlight, not auto leveling

Philips Ultinon range looks ok as well....

.

The light leaked out to the sides?

No. Wanna change then do proper conversion with proper projector so it doesn’t blind and glare the oncoming traffic. There’s even laser light conversion nowadays.


This post has been edited by torreto: Jul 18 2023, 11:47 AM

yup... thats why I am still using halogen 4300k bulbs

I did look in to HID conversion, but didnt go down that path as dont want to be an idiot

if H11 bulb
do the H9 conversion to H11

you'll get a bump in the brightness

what are your objectives in converting from halogen?

Got to take note that even if you want to buy well-known brands like P, O etc., you will straightaway notice that NONE has E rating. Do share with me if you found 1.

If you really are serious to convert, start check the dimension published for the LED bulb; HxWxD and especially extra focused on the electrical terminals part. Then compare the size with the space and cover/cap at the back of your headlamp assembly.

If the LED blubs can't even fit inside the assembly, no need to even start thinking to buy.

how to tell HID? every night i drive i always kena blinded by cars with white light at traffic light
kinda wanna fuck with other people too since i keep getting eye fucked by these people
street light orange, my headlight also orange yet all the newer cars all white light

both are as bad lol, if the driver doesnt understand what hes doing

maybe, or the led not fit

U might need to see eye specialist if every car white light is fucking ur eyes....

true every day curse when stop at traffic light then opposite white light machiam haram

at least you understood the statement not like that retard noos. most of the time from opposite traffic its from suv and bigger cars too since they are taller or something. some of the taller vehicles also like to come very close to me from the back and then kena blinded as well when look in the mirror.

HID light although white but tend to be more creamy color compared to led

What is the E ratings? what are the ratings? need to look in to this.

good tip on dimensions...
I also worry that the bulb with the heat sink and all cannot fit in or cannot close the dust cap afterwards

I find car at the back not so bad compare to car at the side due to the light disperse pattern.... many SUV and those big 4x4 like hilux etc, headlight already dem kaw high and blinding

Don't do it unless you're prepared to pay to change it back when JPJ catches you.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...s-silau-in-sibu

4300k led

hujan can see road

Its actually E mark. Has not seen any on sale anywhere that got this mark yet. Even Philips MY website says their LED offerings does not conform to ECE. Halogen models all have their "Product Description --> Homologation ECE" status as YES, while LED models all marked as NO.

Philips Automotive Lights MY



JPJ stated in their public website that car lights must conform with ECE ruling listed, as below

JPJ Technical

4300k is halogen bulb.
even no hujan also cannot see road but off the lights then will notice the darkness around
halogen is no good.... compared to my other car with HID, so nice.

but pasang high beam I can see very thing, keep high beam stock colour temp


LED bulb is 5800-6500k
I think 6000 above is too blue already, keep to lower range better.

JPJ if you use aftermarket LED memang they saman pun.

This post has been edited by ihavenoidea: Jul 18 2023, 02:35 PM

Looking at Philips WhiteVision Ultra 4200k specs, it's Homologation ECE but the Philips Crystal Vision 4300k does not have Homologation ECE

Also very strange that the specs only states its for High Beam, meaning if use for low beam, will the life span be effected or will melt the housing due to heat?

HID some still prefer because I think can give alot brighter effect at lower price,
LED need to know and try and error before you gets to the right one and to get proper fitting as well,

both also definitely only suitable for projector unless your car factory built with LED like
newer perodua with reflector, but I notice 1 model for BMW SUV although is built in, but still always blind the oncoming traffic I experienced this many times,

so as a whole please educate yourself and get proper info before installing one, I think JPJ wont simply saman if yours not super glare and blind others,
the moment you driving close to their roadblock I'm sure they're experience enough to judge your car light proper adjust or not, Just my hmble opinion

Just do it.

Newer design China bulbs have taken in pass weakness and corrected them. Source of LED light must be at same position of halogen light so it does not cause glare to oncoming traffic.

My P brand LED was the best one after trying few China brand LED, and coming from HID conversion. This was 5-6 years ago. Things changed and improved from other brand.

The color temp of 6000k let me down a bit when road is newly resurfaced (very black road), no street lamps and raining at night.

I have just ordered random China brand Tuffoo 4300k LED to try. I can’t find 4300k made by P or O.

Nearly gone back to HID. Previous Xenarc says 5000k but white like heck. My Jap CBU came with reflector housing that it says designed with HID but installed with halogen bulb. After first HID conversion, it’s true, light beam like halogen bulb but brighter than street light!! So the reflector housing was good. F**k with those that keep saying must have projector lenses but as long as you know your reflector lenses is HID ready.

The slow power up to work on HID and overly white tone made me change to LED.
Now I am going to try a 4300k LED first, before I switch over to 4300k HID if I am not happy with LED.

This post has been edited by WH4CockcooBird: Jul 19 2023, 09:35 AM

Do note that fan at LED May cause interference to your in car entertainment.

I got fanless P Ultinon.

You may just want to buy the set you are looking at, try it to find out all the plus and negative points yourself. Can always revert back to halogen.

Don’t know about your car but it was easy to install on mine. Even HID conversion, mine has ready slot for ballast!

Only think with LED is the fan part protrude further than standard halogen. They do sell after market cover for such situation.

This post has been edited by WH4CockcooBird: Jul 19 2023, 09:36 AM

This doesn't look like a Narva packaging
Better you just get the real Narva in Narva packaging. Not that pricy also.


I use Philips LEDs on my bikes and cars. All lasting.

If using no brands, cheap brands or china brands, I agree

But if using branded ones like Osram, Phillips, Bosch, piaa, etc. No issues. You'll will still get the clean cut off line.

How can it glare when a projector guarantees a clean cut off line?

Unless it's a ciplak lens or you didn't adjust the beam angle after changing the bulb.

enlighten me how a bulb type can blind people. is it about color?
to me, even a normal cheap yellow bulb annoys me at the dark.

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Jul 19 2023, 07:35 AM

This would be the best…

I'm using Philips X-treme Ultinon LED on my 208gti.

Not cheap, at about rm7xx after discount but it's good.
The light has a bit of yellowish tint which is good for rainy days. It's not 6000k or 6500k pure white. I'll say it's slightly below 6000k.

Never use led in reflector type housing. Bulb and led simply spread the light differently when used in reflector housing.

I guess he must be having sarnkong eye problem

If the headlamp is not directed at the eye level I don't s any issues with whitelight from led or hid.

But this is exceptional for BMW X5. It has the most cibai headlight. No matter low or high beam, still glare oncoming drivers. German engineering my asd.

Factory fitted hid by standard are using 4700k o 5000k or 5500k.
Those 6000k above hid you see are not factory fitted.

Watch more led bulb reviews on YouTube.
You'll change your opinion on this
For a start, you can watch this channel Headlight Revolution.
They do intense testings and reviews on led And hid bulbs.

https://youtube.com/@HeadlightRevolution

its about wrong fitment

if this is your case
only 2 cause if u ask me
1. your headlamp is faded
2. stick with more reputable bulb like narva

don't cheap and buy bosch...it's not that good eventhough it's the same everything
i know that because recently 1 side of my bulb blew...so i decided to change it....decide to try narva
RM25 each very expensive but damn, there is an obvious difference
so much until i decide to buy another one and change the other side

Whatever u guys use ,plz test yourself first if it blinds you ,pls remove it

my headlights kilat kilat... like my car, even engine bay.

I usually stick to branded, Phillips, Orasm or Narva stuffs.... of the course, sometimes the hardware shop dont have the ones I wanted so try cheaper japanese brand (but probably chinese knock off) bulb before, but there were crap. Never use bosch before.

RM25? Bulbs are like over RM150 for the pack usually including parker bulbs.

Factory fitted HID have a glare shield as the output is a lot higher, while halogen bulbs dont have.

So when people modify the headlights to HID, but did not include the glare shield, it ends up blinding on coming car or so....
Some people tune the headlights lower to compensate but most dont or dont know about this.

Looking at phillips ... I prefer lower temp, 6000k probably too blue for my liking and invite police kacau during block.

Then you should get Phillips.

Phillips are usually slightly below 6000k

Ultinon Essential is 6500k

Ultinon Pro is 5800K

have to find cheap source with good reputations

Factory fitted hid depends on the headlamp type.
Projector type doesn't need the glare shield/sheet.

Hid have two types. For projectors and reflector headlamp. Reflector type has an "R" in the bulb type name. D2R, D4R, etc.

Since when has aftermarket LED conversion been legal?

Stay away from 6500k


I bought mine from official Philips shop in shopee.
Other sites I don't dare, many fakes out there.

No ballast bruh
How JPJ gonna catch?

It's just simply a change of bulb

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Jul 19 2023, 10:20 AM

Don't worry about dust caps.
You can get universal ones and modify to your fitment


I bought this type and modify it .
There are many types you can find in shopee

Aiks, your definition of legal is "how JPJ gonna catch"?

Cloned cars are also legal, since how jpj gonna catch?

JPJ ok to bullshit out, especially projector headlights....

but police give you fine, you go court settle/dispute yourself....

Same here...worst if those pickups n suv...

Now bike also can blind ur view

Since when cloned cars are legal?
2 cars with identical plate cannot co-exist on the road

U wanna know which one is legal and which one isn't?
How many cases of cloned cars have been caught until now
Vs
How many cases of people have been saman for converting LED until now?

Afaik...NONE

a million thanks. so it's not about the bulb. it's the whole light assy/installation.

I was just using your reason: "how JPJ gonna catch" a cloned car since both cars don't have to appear in the same place? JPJ checking Clone A in KL road block will automatically know there's a Clone B in Penang?

You don't know anyone caught doesn't mean no one has been caught in Malaysia.

Also, what I want to stress is not caught yet doesn't mean it's legal. Driving with expired insurance is also not illegal unless caught ke?

pretty sure this doesn't blind me

This is a headlight thread
Suddenly somebody wanna vere out of the topic and turn into a cloned car issue and somemore say LED conversion is illegal

Since when JPJ ever said or issue a statement saying installing LED into your car is illegal
Meanwhile JPJ did say HID is illegal before

If you can find a single statement or post issued by JPJ saying installing LED bulb into your car is not allowed and illegal thn you can win here

Yeah.
Especially when i always ride with high lights switched on. Phillips led + highlight. Blinding.

Lol

Forgot to add. Daytime only


This post has been edited by skyblu3: Jul 19 2023, 12:23 PM

Had mine installed H4 LED white 6000k and adjust it lower on reflector housing. Bright enough closing to european car headlight. Cost Rm600 at that time. It will glare opposite traffic.

Get proper retrofit which in the end is still illegal by JPJ standard. Or buy a stronger halogen bulb if u can't see properly or get a spectacle.

If u buy cheap just to look cool, don't waste this money. Cheap LED don't have the proper color temperature as claimed. U might end up install cheap LED bar doing the same and ineffective.

Didn't you say LED conversion is legal because "how JPJ gonna catch" since there's no ballast?

Now you say it's legal because "jpj doesn't say it's illegal"?

lucky u not in JPJ or PDRM.
My company S-Class get clone and police contacted US.

color temp have anything to do with brightness ?

H4 don't have glare shield?

yes u correct up to certain level.
They can't charge u on Bulb Change but they can CHARGE you Kereta MODIFY.

Maybe that's a wrong example. Maybe should use example like "changing car colour is not illegal because how JPJ gonna catch". Which is not true anyway, because jpj will know which car comes in what headlights.

The point in discussion is he implied it's not illegal because LED has no ballast and JPJ won't know, followed by "how many people kena caught for aftermarket led installation?"

Brightness is about bulb wattage and Lumen. Temperature is color.

What user omit is ray penetration. Some just buy cheap bulbs as long specification says highest figure and end up not seeing well especially dark road and rain.

Anyhow stick to original factory spec halogen/LED/HID/Laser light. OEM like Philips and Osram will do the job.

This post has been edited by Chisinlouz: Jul 19 2023, 03:22 PM

News below on JPJ tangkap illegal headlights.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...s-silau-in-sibu

Maybe he'll say it's only illegal in Sibu. MR_alien, your comment please, since you asked for proof?

This post has been edited by mushigen: Jul 19 2023, 03:14 PM

base on act (we still using very old act 1987), which car headlamp does not allow 60w n head lamp color is yellowish, signal light is orange n brake light is red.
but jpj and traffic police can take action base on modification(current spec n original spec different)

i think u miss out my queation base on ur reply..
spectrum or wavelenght have nothing ro do with brightness.

why small led car not so bright at far (arent that car headlamp purpose.?)

old day led tech not that advance, so they design in smaller size easier for reflection (led is 40 degree beam vs halogen/hid 360degree beam), also heat, even led called cold light but it still generate a lot of that might shorten bulb light spam。

Edited my reply above.

aiya he's a little pussy, only know to talk cock out of his ass.

brightness is the lumens....

colour temp is is measure in temp (Kelvin)
I prefer to stick to below 5000K

Yes, color temperature is the wavelength side, specially doing coloring on fog and raining etc.

Lumens is not the same as how much like you can see.

Some cars came stock original with HID

like mine.

I used this
Osram Night Breaker Laser NB200

RM113 only

https://shope.ee/1VVW1f1WZW



and this

Philips Ultinon Essential LED

RM175.00


https://shope.ee/8A2Py3CVjL



way better than stock bulbs

This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Jul 19 2023, 03:55 PM

most likely u kena cb by X5 liddis

philips ultinon9000
tests shows the beam pattern is better than halogen

i use this on my front foglights, nice flat and wide beam, better beam and brighter than the H11 halogens
not sure about headlights but the beam should be good, better than stock as the led position is exactly the same as the halogen bulb

This post has been edited by bigmac999: Jul 19 2023, 04:14 PM

He asked for proof, I gave him proof. When kantoi, diam2 pretend not to see. Just like the Perodua vs Proton spare tyre proclamation.

I thought of getting this for my bike. But no h7.
Can switch between white and yellow.

https://www.philips.com.my/c-p/11366UEDX2/u...-fog-light-bulb

fuyoh banyak kaya pakai ultinon pro ! that is > rm400 already

I pakai Philips Ultinon Essential LED saja already gooding


RM175.00


https://shope.ee/8A2Py3CVjL

RM350

Rm350 is ok

The other Philips extreme untinon h7. I bought it for about rm700 something after discount. Good stuff.