Nice to tap into longshot boss’s mind as usual.
Always look forward to these long long ones 🤣
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Nice to tap into longshot boss’s mind as usual.
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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jul 19 2023, 03:30 PM) Just my RM0.02 cents view. Great tips. Thank you !I would not prefer Eco Majestic or only selected part of Ecohill. Both have been in development for a number of years and the biggest stumbling block for this 2 township is the lack of high paying job opportunities in the vicinity. The thought of WFH will provide some catalyst to this 2 township to grow seems to have fizzled. The newly opened mall seems to have gave it a minor boost but not sure if it is sustainable in the long run. Bandar Rimbayu, ES, 257 and Aman seems a better bet. It can enjoy spillover demand from Klang, Puchong, Shah Alam and Subang Jaya. Proximity to Shah Alam industries provide employment opportunities and steady growth of population in establish location gives it potential. Only downside is it leasehold status which some ppl will be reluctant to proceed. If freehold is a must Setia Alam Impian will provide a choice not too far away. The floods in Klang area will also drive demand for housing located in these areas as many will want to move out but not move too far away from their familiar locale. Moving on to Gamuda Cove, Warisan, Suncity, Greenwoods, Coalfields and Serenia, these shouldn't be ignored but you"ll need to choose very carefully. Their proximity to KLIA , Xiamen, ERL, Cyberjaya, Putrajaya and ELITE highway gives it potential. If Cyberjaya does develop it's tram mobility services, there is a possibility for it to be extended to nearby development for economy of scale. A curious observation is that GC sometimes promote itself as close to Cyberjaya with their direct link, giving the impression that being associated to Cyberjaya is good but when you look at their properties prices, they are on par or even some are priced more expensive than the landed in Cyberjaya. It's like my project has a direct link to Damansara Height but my properties are also higher priced that Damansara Height? At 1 time, ppl bought property in Nilai or Seremban 2 but travel to work in KL, these township now gives them some options and possibility to relocate to these township from Seremban or Nilai. Creating a pull or push factor. Notable mention should be Bandar Enstek. Huge land bank, near KLIA in Sepang but again too far away from any major catalyst. Can the developer do better? Another notable mention is Elmina but I see it more as an extension of Denai Alam which itself was an extension of Bukit Jelutong. I've not done any in-depth study of Bukit Jelutong and Denai Alam but just generally speaking, the appreciation "feel" (I use the word feel as I don't have data to support myself) rather mooted or stagnant. I feel Setia Alam and Eco Ardence is more vibrant and in demand than this 2 township. Not sure if Elmina will suffer the same fate as the other 2 township but initial response from subsale buyers of the early phase seems good. Again, not sure if this is sustainable as later phase has gone up in prices from developer. Timing, location and entry point are key factors here. I would say instead of looking for capital appreciation from landed, I would look for capital preservation i.e. the value of the property will increase in tandem with inflation to protect my real purchasing power. A good property will do that and a bit more extra. Happy hunting...ya And please take the above with a bucket of salt....ya Do you think development/ opportunities in Cheras and Putrajaya will spur the growth of Kajang/?Semenyih? It doesn’t seem to far away and it’s really possible to commute daily This post has been edited by wolftheyorkie: Jul 19 2023, 04:55 PM |
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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jul 19 2023, 03:30 PM) Just my RM0.02 cents view. I see that you have vast knowledge from developments at the South but not the North, since you didn't mention anything about Bandar Seri Coalfield or Kundang or Gamuda Garden.I would not prefer Eco Majestic or only selected part of Ecohill. Both have been in development for a number of years and the biggest stumbling block for this 2 township is the lack of high paying job opportunities in the vicinity. The thought of WFH will provide some catalyst to this 2 township to grow seems to have fizzled. The newly opened mall seems to have gave it a minor boost but not sure if it is sustainable in the long run. Bandar Rimbayu, ES, 257 and Aman seems a better bet. It can enjoy spillover demand from Klang, Puchong, Shah Alam and Subang Jaya. Proximity to Shah Alam industries provide employment opportunities and steady growth of population in establish location gives it potential. Only downside is it leasehold status which some ppl will be reluctant to proceed. If freehold is a must Setia Alam Impian will provide a choice not too far away. The floods in Klang area will also drive demand for housing located in these areas as many will want to move out but not move too far away from their familiar locale. Moving on to Gamuda Cove, Warisan, Suncity, Greenwoods, Coalfields and Serenia, these shouldn't be ignored but you"ll need to choose very carefully. Their proximity to KLIA , Xiamen, ERL, Cyberjaya, Putrajaya and ELITE highway gives it potential. If Cyberjaya does develop it's tram mobility services, there is a possibility for it to be extended to nearby development for economy of scale. A curious observation is that GC sometimes promote itself as close to Cyberjaya with their direct link, giving the impression that being associated to Cyberjaya is good but when you look at their properties prices, they are on par or even some are priced more expensive than the landed in Cyberjaya. It's like my project has a direct link to Damansara Height but my properties are also higher priced that Damansara Height? At 1 time, ppl bought property in Nilai or Seremban 2 but travel to work in KL, these township now gives them some options and possibility to relocate to these township from Seremban or Nilai. Creating a pull or push factor. Notable mention should be Bandar Enstek. Huge land bank, near KLIA in Sepang but again too far away from any major catalyst. Can the developer do better? Another notable mention is Elmina but I see it more as an extension of Denai Alam which itself was an extension of Bukit Jelutong. I've not done any in-depth study of Bukit Jelutong and Denai Alam but just generally speaking, the appreciation "feel" (I use the word feel as I don't have data to support myself) rather mooted or stagnant. I feel Setia Alam and Eco Ardence is more vibrant and in demand than this 2 township. Not sure if Elmina will suffer the same fate as the other 2 township but initial response from subsale buyers of the early phase seems good. Again, not sure if this is sustainable as later phase has gone up in prices from developer. Timing, location and entry point are key factors here. I would say instead of looking for capital appreciation from landed, I would look for capital preservation i.e. the value of the property will increase in tandem with inflation to protect my real purchasing power. A good property will do that and a bit more extra. Happy hunting...ya And please take the above with a bucket of salt....ya What separate Elmina from Denai Alam and Bukit Jelutong is Elmina itself has primary and private chinese school, and its masterplan included offices and medical centre on top of the already building lake side mall. And not to forget the ample industrial lots located at the North of Elmina. All these are additional catalysts that Denai Alam and Bukit Jelutong simply do not have. This post has been edited by MasBoleh!: Jul 19 2023, 07:34 PM |
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QUOTE(soulred777 @ Jul 19 2023, 12:35 PM) Worth checking out Emerald Rawang and Templer Anggun City. The spillovers are great. To forumers, drop by to see before simply commenting negatively. Every development has pros and cons. Can share some insights about both projects or which projects in rawang may have potential? |
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QUOTE(wolftheyorkie @ Jul 19 2023, 04:54 PM) Great tips. Thank you ! Boss, Do you think development/ opportunities in Cheras and Putrajaya will spur the growth of Kajang/?Semenyih? It doesn’t seem to far away and it’s really possible to commute daily Not sure what development / opportunities in Cheras or Putrajaya that can spur growth of Kajang / Semenyih. Putrajaya is our administrative capital, the kind of development will be limited unless there are development for commercial and industrial and efforts to bring in companies to setup HQ there that can leverage on the close proximity to Govt. administration. Maybe can ask Tengku Zafrul 🤣 Transportation, medical and education are a few I can think of that can boost surrounding values but still there is much needed to compliment these. I don't have a crystal ball that can tell the future, so alot depends on constant monitoring and updating of data to see what's potentially coming. wolftheyorkie liked this post
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 19 2023, 07:30 PM) I see that you have vast knowledge from developments at the South but not the North, since you didn't mention anything about Bandar Seri Coalfield or Kundang or Gamuda Garden. Boss, you are right.What separate Elmina from Denai Alam and Bukit Jelutong is Elmina itself has primary and private chinese school, and its masterplan included offices and medical centre on top of the already building lake side mall. And not to forget the ample industrial lots located at the North of Elmina. All these are additional catalysts that Denai Alam and Bukit Jelutong simply do not have. My concentration is mainly at the southern of KV and northern is not my fort. Only certain township towards the north capture my attention. If you seen my post, I normally won't comment anything unless I have done my homework and data crouching. Also I have limited time and resources, so I can't cover every township. Of course Coalfield, Kubdang or GG are notable township and worth mentioning but as I said, just can't cover all of them. Yes, Elmina master plan has those but the most notable one is the mall and industrial lots. For the mall, it remains to be seen if SDP can pull it off to make it a happening place. I believe it is doable as there is no decent size mall nearby but need to exercise caution as sdp track record in recent years for commercial is not exactly excellent. If you look at Bukit Jelutong (BJ) commi, they aren't doing very well. Good enough for basic needs but when one needs something more, one has to travel further. Fair enough BJ was not develop by SDP but mall development is no walk in the park. The industrial lots are also a concern. Having an industrial plot so far away from the air/freight port might not make much sense. It's good to analyze the master plan and note what's being plan but it is also important to see if it makes sense and what being planned will complement, enhance and sustainable for the township purpose and direction. Coming back to the purpose of this thread, capital appreciation for landed in the next 10 years or so, as I said, I'll aim for capital preservation instead. se800i liked this post
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Southern KV is crazy, im living in the area and I can see so many new township project.
We have the biggest one Gamuda Cove across the highway, then Sunsuria City, Serenia City, Setia Tropika, M Senyum Mahsing, and I guess the most recent one Arena IOI as they clearing up the hills. Probably due to this, a new branch Coffee Bean TL and Starbucks just open in Kota Warisan. Edit: On topic, not sure even if landed now can capital appreciation within 10yrs since the entry price is too high. A friend bought cybersouth at 750k, cant even sold subsale at 650k, and now lelong d. Dunno what the lelong price This post has been edited by zaoldyeck: Jul 19 2023, 09:26 PM |
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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jul 19 2023, 03:30 PM) Bandar Rimbayu, ES, 257 and Aman seems a better bet. It can enjoy spillover demand from Klang, Puchong, Shah Alam and Subang Jaya. Proximity to Shah Alam industries provide employment opportunities and steady growth of population in establish location gives it potential. Only downside is it leasehold status which some ppl will be reluctant to proceed. If freehold is a must Setia Alam Impian will provide a choice not too far away. The floods in Klang area will also drive demand for housing located in these areas as many will want to move out but not move too far away from their familiar locale. I have been to all the townships listed. Definitely agree with your analysis on this ' Bandar Rimbayu, ES, 257 and Aman seems a better bet.' LH status does not bother me. The location is superb to absorb all the spillover from neighboring Klang, Shah Alam, Puchong, Subang Jaya, USJ, PJ and its in between Port Klang, manufacturing hub, industrial and logistics hub and not too far from KLIA, Cyberjaya,Putrajaya. Demographics wise also not bad. ...lots of young families moving in, non halal food choices, international schools, SRJK schools, special ed schools, etc One can feel the 'ong' atmosphere/feeling just like the early days of Subang, Sunway, Puchong at the location The highway connectivity needs to be improved further though. |
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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jul 19 2023, 03:30 PM) I would say instead of looking for capital appreciation from landed, I would look for capital preservation i.e. the value of the property will increase in tandem with inflation to protect my real purchasing power. A good property will do that and a bit more extra. Happy hunting...ya And please take the above with a bucket of salt....ya Capital protection and preservation from inflation etc should be the goal nowadays. A good property will do that with a bit extra ((land price rising and housing demand from the population) |
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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jul 19 2023, 04:30 PM) Just my RM0.02 cents view. A very detailed and precise sharing...I would not prefer Eco Majestic or only selected part of Ecohill. Both have been in development for a number of years and the biggest stumbling block for this 2 township is the lack of high paying job opportunities in the vicinity. The thought of WFH will provide some catalyst to this 2 township to grow seems to have fizzled. The newly opened mall seems to have gave it a minor boost but not sure if it is sustainable in the long run. Bandar Rimbayu, ES, 257 and Aman seems a better bet. It can enjoy spillover demand from Klang, Puchong, Shah Alam and Subang Jaya. Proximity to Shah Alam industries provide employment opportunities and steady growth of population in establish location gives it potential. Only downside is it leasehold status which some ppl will be reluctant to proceed. If freehold is a must Setia Alam Impian will provide a choice not too far away. The floods in Klang area will also drive demand for housing located in these areas as many will want to move out but not move too far away from their familiar locale. Moving on to Gamuda Cove, Warisan, Suncity, Greenwoods, Coalfields and Serenia, these shouldn't be ignored but you"ll need to choose very carefully. Their proximity to KLIA , Xiamen, ERL, Cyberjaya, Putrajaya and ELITE highway gives it potential. If Cyberjaya does develop it's tram mobility services, there is a possibility for it to be extended to nearby development for economy of scale. A curious observation is that GC sometimes promote itself as close to Cyberjaya with their direct link, giving the impression that being associated to Cyberjaya is good but when you look at their properties prices, they are on par or even some are priced more expensive than the landed in Cyberjaya. It's like my project has a direct link to Damansara Height but my properties are also higher priced that Damansara Height? At 1 time, ppl bought property in Nilai or Seremban 2 but travel to work in KL, these township now gives them some options and possibility to relocate to these township from Seremban or Nilai. Creating a pull or push factor. Notable mention should be Bandar Enstek. Huge land bank, near KLIA in Sepang but again too far away from any major catalyst. Can the developer do better? Another notable mention is Elmina but I see it more as an extension of Denai Alam which itself was an extension of Bukit Jelutong. I've not done any in-depth study of Bukit Jelutong and Denai Alam but just generally speaking, the appreciation "feel" (I use the word feel as I don't have data to support myself) rather mooted or stagnant. I feel Setia Alam and Eco Ardence is more vibrant and in demand than this 2 township. Not sure if Elmina will suffer the same fate as the other 2 township but initial response from subsale buyers of the early phase seems good. Again, not sure if this is sustainable as later phase has gone up in prices from developer. Timing, location and entry point are key factors here. I would say instead of looking for capital appreciation from landed, I would look for capital preservation i.e. the value of the property will increase in tandem with inflation to protect my real purchasing power. A good property will do that and a bit more extra. Happy hunting...ya And please take the above with a bucket of salt....ya True and real of what is happening.... Southern of KV is booming ... Surprisingly GC has its potential to grow if compare to Kota warisan I would say... QUOTE(zaoldyeck @ Jul 19 2023, 10:17 PM) Southern KV is crazy, im living in the area and I can see so many new township project. Would it possible that it is linked to cyberjaya??We have the biggest one Gamuda Cove across the highway, then Sunsuria City, Serenia City, Setia Tropika, M Senyum Mahsing, and I guess the most recent one Arena IOI as they clearing up the hills. Probably due to this, a new branch Coffee Bean TL and Starbucks just open in Kota Warisan. Edit: On topic, not sure even if landed now can capital appreciation within 10yrs since the entry price is too high. A friend bought cybersouth at 750k, cant even sold subsale at 650k, and now lelong d. Dunno what the lelong price |
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QUOTE(soulred777 @ Jul 19 2023, 12:35 PM) Worth checking out Emerald Rawang and Templer Anggun City. The spillovers are great. To forumers, drop by to see before simply commenting negatively. Every development has pros and cons. the bottleneck traffic still from school area (town) towards these place tho' you could use other access with tolls |
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QUOTE(wolftheyorkie @ Jul 19 2023, 04:54 PM) Great tips. Thank you ! A new highway is coming soon, Putrajaya Bangi Expressway will connect Semenyih, Bangi area to Putrajaya, Cyberjaya area. Do you think development/ opportunities in Cheras and Putrajaya will spur the growth of Kajang/?Semenyih? It doesn’t seem to far away and it’s really possible to commute daily The developement of this new highway has been approved by the government. |
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QUOTE(augusta23 @ Jul 19 2023, 07:51 PM) If for ownstay I can vouch for emerald rawang as the spilloves from anggun city is great. If for investment I can't say much I think it will take abt 10-15 years to see the value appreciates or not on par with inflation. As the property price now itself from 700k already. 4 years back it was 560k onwards. Gamuda garden would be good as well for ownstay as they might built inner road that connects from GG to aeon rawang side. Templer park is inner abit as they don't have shortcut access. However upon completion they're planning to open a new road that doesn't require you to bypass country homes. Best if you site visit. Perhaps in 5-7 years can see a good change. This post has been edited by soulred777: Jul 20 2023, 10:21 AM |
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QUOTE(soulred777 @ Jul 20 2023, 10:06 AM) oh, if it's materialized then it's good! soulred777 liked this post
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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jul 19 2023, 08:43 PM) Boss, you are right. I am not very sure on this but i believe that the ECRL connects to Puncak Alam which is near Elmina industrial lots. As part of the China's BRI exports to china will make plenty of sense. I put my bet on Elmina as it is freehold and will be my retirement home plus something to leave to my future generations. You won't have to worry SDP will abandon the project as they have very deep pockets and that area is poised to be the most upmarket in the surrounding developments. I actually went to enquire about MKH property in puncak alam and the sales guy said if he had money he will buy in elmina ...My concentration is mainly at the southern of KV and northern is not my fort. Only certain township towards the north capture my attention. If you seen my post, I normally won't comment anything unless I have done my homework and data crouching. Also I have limited time and resources, so I can't cover every township. Of course Coalfield, Kubdang or GG are notable township and worth mentioning but as I said, just can't cover all of them. Yes, Elmina master plan has those but the most notable one is the mall and industrial lots. For the mall, it remains to be seen if SDP can pull it off to make it a happening place. I believe it is doable as there is no decent size mall nearby but need to exercise caution as sdp track record in recent years for commercial is not exactly excellent. If you look at Bukit Jelutong (BJ) commi, they aren't doing very well. Good enough for basic needs but when one needs something more, one has to travel further. Fair enough BJ was not develop by SDP but mall development is no walk in the park. The industrial lots are also a concern. Having an industrial plot so far away from the air/freight port might not make much sense. It's good to analyze the master plan and note what's being plan but it is also important to see if it makes sense and what being planned will complement, enhance and sustainable for the township purpose and direction. Coming back to the purpose of this thread, capital appreciation for landed in the next 10 years or so, as I said, I'll aim for capital preservation instead. |
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