KUALA LUMPUR: A three-year-old girl was awarded more than RM5.6 million by the High Court in a medical negligence lawsuit brought against doctors at a public hospital.

The girl, born on May 12, 2020 via a Caesarean section, suffered spinal cord injuries following complications from the surgery, which left her paralysed from the neck down.

The hospital conducted an internal inquiry into the matter shortly after the birth.

The inquiry found that the medical officer on duty had no experience to perform the surgery and that it was done without supervision by an obstetrician and gynaecologist.

The girl, through her father, filed a suit against the government and the doctors involved, claiming they were negligent and failed to act in her best interest.

The government admitted liability, and the court was asked to assess the quantum of damages payable.

In his ruling, Justice Akhtar Tahir said that “no amount of money can lessen the (girl’s) pain and suffering”.

“The court is of the view that the amount of damages awarded must compensate as best as possible for the additional expenses which will be incurred by the caregivers in caring for the plaintiff with the disabilities suffered,” he added.

The judge also said that he had considered evidence from doctors, who testified that the toddler was likely to live up to the age of 23 based on her condition.

“In the era of technology advancement, chances of a longer life expectancy is to be expected,” Akhtar said.

The court ruled the girl is entitled to be sufficiently compensated for the rest of her life.

https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/national/cou...8bcf56377&ei=47

This post has been edited by mezanny: Jul 5 2023, 03:10 PM

u now dare to go govt hospital to give birth?

Fuck this is the last thing u want to happen to your child. Paralysis neck down. It's not even living at this point, just pure suffering for the child and the ppl around. You will be tempted to smother her and end the suffering every single day.

The doctor also i dunno how she can sleep at night after causing that. crazy situation all around

WTF
How can a medical officer with no experience perform the surgery in the first place?

so the surgeon cut out the back of the baby?
oh maii.

so taxpayers have to foot the bill?
can claw back 100 years pay from the doctors and their next gen?

Not a good way to earn 5.6 mil

5 billion also not enough

Wow wth. So sad for the kid. No amount of money can fix this damage

and yet request more pay and more benefits for MO
kekkkkkkkkkk

Parent got to enjoy the money only

maybe it was emergency case?

now i sked to send my wife to govt hospital if need this kind of thing

article say, child may live until 23yo.

toddler was likely to live up to the age of 23 based on her condition.

Wtf. So sad. Seriously it's not a life worth living. 23 is damn young. Usually 23 u just finish uni only.

This post has been edited by annoymous1234: Jul 5 2023, 03:11 PM

Dia ingat dia pro sangat

as long as mak bapak dun spend the money on renovations etc

please ye

hey, we all in hospital likas (sabah) had to do 10 of those caesarean section as houseman (no experience) with supervision by medical officer, not obstetrician/gynaecologist. i think its the same in any gov hosp that have houseman

so now you say, even mo need pakar to supervise, when all the ho need is mo to supervise?
how la as mo no experience? didnt the mo have already experienced housemanship?

he went in solo?!

Accidentally dragged the difficulty slider to HARD

oh wai

which hospital can ayam can avoid

How come MO with no experience can perform caesarean section operation? That’s really confusing. Which hospital again?

if you are the medical officer, would you volunteer to do the surgery?

damn, I wouldn't do it.

what the heck is wrong with the stupid MO??? He thinks this is something experimental that he should explore is it?

he is dealing with 2 lives there !!!!

hope the MO is also liable

i feel so pain by reading this news.. the pain as a child the the parents to face for the rest of their life..i hope parents can use the full money to give this beautiful child a life...20k monthly till 25 yo,i hope every month can being the child to experience someting at least once...

see the post above.

Yes, the correct procedure would be to activate qualified personel back to hospital to perform surgery.

The MO's job would be to stablise the patient and unborn baby whiel waiting for help to arrive.

why he has to do it?

not as if he would lose his job right?

its not even in his job scope

How to enjoy when u full body paralysed? It's very very sad..i don't even know how they gonna go through all their daily lives looking at their child lying on the bed forever.

"The inquiry found that the medical officer on duty had no experience to perform the surgery and that it was done without supervision by an obstetrician and gynaecologist."


haha yea right... O&G is one of the strictest departments in any hospital, especially gomen one. This is a case of hiding and protecting someone's ass, and put MO in the firing line. Wont lose job also. But cannot put blame on the specialists because of name and face.

Anyway, RM5m is nothing, literally.

No such emergency exist. Getting a non-qualified personnel to perform surgery without supervision is even worse than not performing surgery.

In an emergency, MO does what is best using his/her abilities. IF MO needs a specialised person to perform certain procedures, correct way is to activate the person, not try himself.

5.6mil
unless the family is rich to cover his loss and he's there do housemanship

if the 5.6 cant be collected, the fella just go broke and bankrupt only, and cannot practice medicine for at least 10 years or forever

5.6mil cannot even cover the girl life at all

Then you pray that your wife won't premature + c-sec.... A lot private clinics and hospitals don't even want to deal with premature delivery...

Lol. O&G MO mostly already certified to perform csec la. Even newly graduated mo once posted in o&g department also will be supervised by someone with more experiences first then they will be allowed to perform csec by themselves. And heck sometimes registrar or senior mo in o&g if there is intra op complication will call specialist/consultant to intervene. This case mostly mo with no experience or less experience to perform csec.

if the girl can live up to 80yo, each month rm5k, which is barely enough. oso consider the parent may flung it all in 1 year oso

Why not the fukimug who do the operation is paying ?

This is why medical care in Malaisya can be cheap.... You pay peanuts you get monkeys....

Fuckkkkk our tax money going into this due to this inexperience shit doing surgery…???

I believe this is more the SOPs in hospitals that allow a MO not trained to do the procedure to carry out the procedure. It's good govt and the hospital admitted liability, if not lagi sad.

why ayam smell something fishy?

ayam suspect is specialist farked up but use MO as scape goat.

not sure government hospital got buy malpractice insurance or not

Get the interest or div.

RM5.6 with 5% div already can get 23.3k/month.

More than enough even for the parent goyang kaki.

if u b40 and have heart problem they just give low tier doctor handle ur case
if u vip u get datuk seri doc
cash is king

u guys must be never been to a govt hospital b4.

Before we talk about uni, can she pass kindergarten or counting with her finger?

niahai... u think continuously changing diapers for an adult is very fun is it?

watching your own daughter lying there very happy hor..

Accident do happens 1 in few thousand cases. Private healthcare are not without accident / negligence , the only different, the private healthcare cases are well concealed from the mainstream news.

It may be good also, after this less ppl going to public healthcare.

This post has been edited by nihility: Jul 5 2023, 03:59 PM

Now the medical insurance & costs will rise because no doctor/MO or whatever will want to operate without proper coverage. Rather see patient die then risk it

I thought so too. My guess is they found out something wrong, MO highlight to specialist but then kena marah, say liddis oso dowan do wanna bother ppl how u wanna be pandai? So MO did it anyway, shit hits the fan.

U know la some specialist damn lansi towards MO, then pass down the toxicness towards houseman and trickle down lower and lower

It’s like they’re doing revenge towards their underlings over what bullying they had to face last time. Damn toxic yo.

no la i meant usually a healthy 23 yr old just finish uni

1st delivery already caesaeran, so second most likely the same.

would you goyang kaki if you see your child cannot goyang kaki due to paralysis?

Heard from my mum that many medical malpractices occur in Malaysian hospitals. It's just that Malaysians have no awareness that they can file lawsuit against the hospital.

How come MO have no experience perform caesarean section operation?
isnt it a qualification to be able to do caesarean section during housemanship?

Nowadays most amoi's like to go for Caesarean birth instead of natural birth.. So many risks but all scared of pain.. Compared to our parents time all natural birth

Finally, a kid that’s useful to their parent

Then pay doctors so they can afford thei own insurance...

Background
1. The Plaintiff in this case initiated a claim for medical negligence
against 19 Defendants who comprised of the Government of
Malaysia and the 18 medical officers attached to the Government
Hospital.
2. As a result of the medical negligence the Plaintiff an infant girl
suffered a spinal cord injury leaving her as a tetraplegic and
paralyzed from neck downwards since birth on 12/5/2020. The
Plaintiff is at the moment dependent on a ventilator and also she
has tracheostomy attached to her
3. The 1st Defendant the Government of Malaysia admitted liability on
26/7/2022 after which the Plaintiff withdrew all claims against the 2nd
to 19 the Defendant.
4. The trial proceeded for assessment of damages and lasted for 2
days whereby the Plaintiff called 2 witnesses i.e. the mother of the
Plaintiff (SP 2) and an expert witness Dr Kavitha (SP1). The 1st
Defendant called an expert witness Mohaneswari d/o Sandrajagran
(SD1).

Something unusual. I think they probably refused to show the parents any CCTV or provide any details of who performed it. Or else why need to sue all of them? And then gomen just admitted being wrong then PL withdrew all claims against the 18 fellows. If full trial will need to release all the records, cctvs etc...

Shitty life

Thel body can grow but without movement how to stimulate muscle development. Eating also will be a chore.

I pity the girl man. Judge is right, no ammount of money is enuf

Yup

5mil insurance costs a bomb

I think doctors need to rally for higher pay.

Public wants doc to self pay ...

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Jul 5 2023, 04:21 PM

i find it hard to believe a new MO in O&G doesnt have a senior around doing lscs
but that's basically happen in district hospital that have less than 10 MO with no specialist if it is emergency lscs
all mo working in all department. if it is a specific department mo, this thing probably happen in state hospital with pakar
and this thing shouldnt happen. i thought new MO should at least have a month orientation and fully supervised by pakar/senior MO

amoi go to private hospital lah

last time i went to recce at a public hospital, I was shocked to see a woman just recently gave birth caesarean, lying on the bed after wheeled out of the hospital, still bleeding.

after that I decided not to use public hospital, not worth the risk.

So who will be MO if their liability so high

Emergency maybe. Main doctor cirit

If u don't volunteer ppl say u scaredy shit can't be a specialist

How?

well from what you stated there
looks like a district hospital with only 18 MOs and probably no pakar hospital
most of the time only doctor directly involved is liable
all the other 18 fellows probably just in vicinity or the same department or even same hospital
shouldnt pukul all sama rata.
also there's hardly any cctv of lscs, its not like doing scope

Doctor got insurance one. In case kena sue

not a surprise actually because 7 scanners only 1 operating...@@ If intruders came in also no cctv to capture?

That's the problem.

Your tax money ain't enough to cover specialist for every op

Most don't have so high coverage

Men are just as guilty by making pusi longgar jokes.

cctv in hospital is not placed in labour room or ot
only on entrance and exit
and places they need to control the items/medicine
not where patient is
its patient's confidentiality

most high level surgeon have it
especially brain surgeon, heart surgeon and eye surgeon

I mean entrance la. Normally won't sue like this unless they don't want to tell who handles the operation. If full trial, it will leak out also.

Btw I slightly check all the plaintiffs past hospital, most likely is selayang one.

I think the system needs a revamp. Healthcare spending is not enough ... How to hire enough specialist to do surgery ? They have to delegate to junior staff... Pay more people and pay higher so people stay

what's more important than an entrance cctv is the documentation
whoever in cctv doesnt mean the person really get into the exact operating theatre

During housemanship, you only need to assist the surgeon or in certain hospital in sabah/sarawak, ho can do csec but with supervision by experience medical officer. How come mo need experience to perform caesarean section in the first place? Do you think 4 months in o&g rotation is enough to do csec? In certain hospital, 3rd years o&g mo only can perform csec without supervisor.

And people ask why doctor don't work for free... But when issues happen they want doctors to pay. Funny people everywhere.luckily Ayam no work as doctor

got 5 names over 18 names already not a registered doctor now.
that means it is not just a simple case. Thats why no need full trial and just admit fault.

U must be from hospital with a lot of specialist.....in hospitals with less specialist like where there's literally one or two ... My friend told me

That kid that kena potong kuku coz of sunat laser compensate how much?

n pray no bank collapse. oso pray hard parent no flung it all. u know la, suddenly a lot relatives come say good thing.

Thing is already passed. Nothing you can do. Accept the fate.

That amount div can get a maid.

Go ernment must do something
If I'm a doctor I won't bother to do those specialties anymore.
One mistake can have grave consequences, and penalty will be more than lifetime income.
Doesn't make sense .ask doctor to work in a system with a lot of deficiencies... But when shit happens blame it on doctor? If you provide environment all high tech nice nice like US or Singapore with good pay, good support Then ok la. Can afford to buy insurance . Got enough specialist to supervise junior doctor.

Now , all specialist also tarak cukup, overworked. Then want them to go supervise every single MO. They will tell u they might as well go private and do all the cases themselves.

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Jul 5 2023, 04:59 PM

Into KWSP got how much?

selayang again ?
My friend also saman the hospital & won 1.7m many years ago …..his wife also doctor there

well i guess its because our volume here is more than other places that we have different experience
most HO here can finish 10 assist in one month, 3 do with supervision, and lots of difficult cases assist experience medical officer within one rotation
should have transfered all those MO O&G to Sabah and let them do lscs to all the pilak foreigners then
get them experience before send back to the whole country

those doing specialties usually sooner or later jump ship to the greener side, private hospital
you think gov going to waste money on those specialist insurance?
they'll be asked to buy their own insurance
well that's why MO need to be smart and defensive, let the pakar take the blame
let pakar involved in all the difficult cases and those that became complication
pakar usually have more money to buy expensive insurance

It's easy to say, but if you're an MO and pakar ask u to do things because they're busy /chilling, you can't say " I want you to come here and see me perform it , if not I won't do it"

It's easy to say, but to do is difficult. They might say ok I will go supervise u.

Then when it comes to evaluation they will write " this guy not ready yet for masters program. Because he needs a lot of supervision. Let him remain as MO few years more till he can have more experience first"


This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Jul 5 2023, 05:05 PM

you dun so worry, as long as you follow all the fixed procedure then you will be fine. Any operation also got risks one and remember to tell all the possible complications to your patients. And normally it's hard to prove medical negligence because the doctors will cover each other.

This post has been edited by Accord2018: Jul 5 2023, 05:04 PM

actually you can
you can document it that you already asked pakar to do, but pakar dont want to come and get you to do it
if that is documented, pakar will take the blame

In Garmin hospitals there are a lot of things not following proper things. Like some things not supposed to be reused are reused.

Some will still ask "if u feel it's not safe why u proceed. Pakar don't come, u don't start the case. Why this case u go start?pakar say U can start but U should know U know u can't handle it "


First do no harm.

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Jul 5 2023, 05:09 PM

exactly
everything in signed consent and need to be documented
if the possiblity of the injury is told beforehand and consent given by parents of the baby
and documented well
even a great lawyer cannot turn it around

if it is emergency, have to do if not the baby will die within 30 minutes or so
baby already fetal distress, either baby die or baby injury, you should proceed

No experience + no supervision, don't know how the medical officer had the courage to perform the surgery.

These people fuked up, taxpayers yang kena bayar

Still not sure whether hospital with specialist or district one.

i think maybe the MO bullied by specialist and seniors to conduct the surgery