QUOTE(Melvin117 @ Jul 3 2023, 10:07 AM)
what I learned over the years is, people need to build up experience AND
PAYSLIPS to demand for a certain pay
let's say if you work in SG before and got an offer to come back, definitely ur pay would be much higher than your upcoming colleagues with no overseas working experience(and payslip)
same story with people hopping to new place every few years or hop from MNCs to smaller companies
I found out that the same post won't necessarily pay the same for everyone, and if you got experience and payslip to nego, your pay can easily surpass the posted wage cause the employer might see something else from you and won't mind paying that
In the grand scheme of things, a few thousands every month is just one spare tyre for their new porsche or not even 0.1% of the company operation cost
OTOH, experience is a valuable thing that company can pay easily, imagine you got 5-10 yrs more experience than a fresher in a certain industry, the company is earning big times to just pay 50-100% more to save training a staff from ground up to be extremely efficient and have enormous networking and contacts with him
rich people buy time with money basically, if they can afford to fail a business in a year for tens of millionsm, then they can gain experience a CEO only can get after he has worked for 20-30 years
OR u work in a SG company, get paid in SGD but you get to stay here to work remote, easily 10K+++ after converted

also pay is very industry dependent, like I said sales, or programming related or doctor confirm good pay lah

I just fired an executive earlier while adopting the no payslip theory. Just experiences.
UNCLE WAS 47 year old .
1) told me he was retrenched from a famous bank earlier in his life.
2) sit on a pool of money and decided to take care of his kids
3) Comes with ample experience- was a team leader in earlier job.
4) no pay slip as it was years ago
5) seems well spoken and looks decent .
Ok la - what the heck just do it- i hire him kasi 10 k basic as starting.
Then my nightmare starts
1)He is the oldest in my team- can’t lead my other members instead poison them- open separate whatsapp group & create politics
2) stubborn and insist on his own way of doing things but cant be measured with end results
3) always ponteng work & inefficient in driving things up
4) doesn’t know how to kiss ass- ya i know that is not necessary but we need this in corporate- he needs to respect the chair and act accordingly.
5) bloody fucking smart and loves to debate on his old way of doing things -doesn’t work as it too slow.
Everything we do nowdays required speed and efficiency & RESULTS.
I pay that cibai 10k and he says i am too hard and too fast to judge him after 6 months- need more time maybe 1 year to GROOM HIM.
WTF BRO- i hired A SUPPOSEDLY EXPERIENCE GUY.
NOT A FRESH GRADUATE.
needless to say i trap him and fire his ass- HR WANTED TO EXTEND HIM DUE TO MERCY - NAH - i will just gull blown exposed him and fire.
Lesson learned-
I know i cannot judge everything or everyone via the same way and all is diff.
But i cant take the risk anymore. I need proven data and CAPABILITY- i need it to be factual and CONLANFIRM sure my next guy can do it. So i am shame to say i revert to the good old recommendations and payslip hiring .
Just my 2 cents of life experiences