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post Jun 21 2023, 04:11 PM, updated 3y ago

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now shopping mall car park space is designed for segment C and below, those segment D cars have a hard time park inside the parking space.

cars are getting bigger and yet car park spaces are getting smaller. laugh.gif
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:12 PM

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post Jun 21 2023, 04:12 PM

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because cost per sq ft depending on real estate
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:12 PM

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shorter than this?
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TS open tered to boast pandu D-segment?
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:13 PM

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Just because you noob hai in parking, don't blame car park space small la.


On a side note; yes a lot of new parking spaces are quite small these days.
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:14 PM

 
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Break your leg then you can park at spacious OKU spot.
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:16 PM

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Maximise number of car park bays
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:16 PM

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buy EV, got big ass parking with charging cable
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:19 PM

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Smaller spaces = more spaces. If you can't park your car in the box, you seriously need to improve your parking skills. No car is THAT big.
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:19 PM

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The Damansara malls got a lot of parking.

Glo Damansara , 3 Damansara, Damansara City Mall
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(bootmod3 @ Jun 21 2023, 04:19 PM)
Smaller spaces = more spaces. If you can't park your car in the box, you seriously need to improve your parking skills. No car is THAT big.
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New shopping mall like Pavilion Bukit Jalil is kinda tight for segment D cars..😂
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:22 PM

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You guys don't use valet service?
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Jun 21 2023, 04:16 PM)
buy EV, got big ass parking with charging cable
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Ev parking at most places is actually same size if not smaller (sunway pyramid)
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:24 PM

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post Jun 21 2023, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 21 2023, 05:11 PM)
now shopping mall car park space is designed for segment C and below, those segment D cars have a hard time park inside the parking space.

cars are getting bigger and yet car park spaces are getting smaller. laugh.gif
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Cause parking space is considered non-revenue generating space, unlike office/commercial floors. Only reason they're there is because Majlis Perbandaran/DBKL set the minimum requirement for it.

If they have to increase basement floors / upper building floors can get extremely expensive beyond certain threshold, so they kaokao cram everything as much as possible just to pass requirement.

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post Jun 21 2023, 04:31 PM

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Buy Axia easy to cucuk and parking
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post Jun 21 2023, 04:53 PM

 
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 21 2023, 04:21 PM)
New shopping mall like Pavilion Bukit Jalil is kinda tight for segment D cars..😂
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Looks tight but actually not la. They draw an extra box in between cars so it gives an illusion that the parking spot is small.

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That being said, pavilion bukit jalil parking system is still sucks big time.
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jun 21 2023, 04:53 PM)
Looks tight but actually not la. They draw an extra box in between cars so it gives an illusion that the parking spot is small.

user posted image

That being said, pavilion bukit jalil parking system is still sucks big time.
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U should not park inside the extra box, thats the gap for door opening space to prevent cars being too close to each other.
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 21 2023, 04:11 PM)
now shopping mall car park space is designed for segment C and below, those segment D cars have a hard time park inside the parking space.

cars are getting bigger and yet car park spaces are getting smaller. laugh.gif
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unless TS drive hummer, if not itu mcm you problem coz parkin skill suck??
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jun 21 2023, 04:53 PM)
Looks tight but actually not la. They draw an extra box in between cars so it gives an illusion that the parking spot is small.

user posted image

That being said, pavilion bukit jalil parking system is still sucks big time.
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agree, BJ pavilion parkin is the worst. direction kucar kacir, lots of dead end.

worst mall parkin ever, entah bodo mana yang design. byk retard.
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 21 2023, 04:11 PM)
now shopping mall car park space is designed for segment C and below, those segment D cars have a hard time park inside the parking space.

cars are getting bigger and yet car park spaces are getting smaller. laugh.gif
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Actually car getting bigger. Shopping mall parking size based on standard.
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:09 PM

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No worries

just double park and leave your phone number there

/k manyak agree
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:13 PM

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post Jun 21 2023, 05:16 PM

 
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 21 2023, 05:05 PM)
U should not park inside the extra box, thats the gap for door opening space to prevent cars being too close to each other.
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For this kind of parking, as long as you park at the center then you'll be fine even if you touch the lines. It's not like the regular parking lot where ppl will curse your ancestors and post on socmed if you touch the lines.
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:20 PM

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No skill don’t drive so big a car. Ish ish
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:32 PM

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Try go Taman Desa Faber towers B3 parking, they have this parking slot where is like your mechanic ask u to drive your car up onto the lift ramp yourself without any guidance
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:37 PM

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Still better than car park in HK😂


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post Jun 21 2023, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 21 2023, 04:11 PM)
now shopping mall car park space is designed for segment C and below, those segment D cars have a hard time park inside the parking space.

cars are getting bigger and yet car park spaces are getting smaller. laugh.gif
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Not really... I have no problem parking an Odyssey / Vellfire / Alphard... sweat.gif
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jun 21 2023, 04:22 PM)
Ev parking at most places is actually same size if not smaller (sunway pyramid)
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Sunway pyramid is a shit design. Worse mall car park ever.
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post Jun 21 2023, 05:43 PM

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All those are Klang Valley developer problems.
In sabah sarawak parking space damn big.
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post Jun 21 2023, 06:32 PM

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because cars are getting bigger

an C segment car now is big if not bigger as a D segment from 20 years ago lol

u already answered it yourself

new shopping malls have bigger parking spaces most of the time

This post has been edited by bigmac999: Jun 21 2023, 06:33 PM
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post Jun 21 2023, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(keybearer @ Jun 21 2023, 04:29 PM)
Cause parking space is considered non-revenue generating space, unlike office/commercial floors.
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Is this how they really think? Surely damn sohai if they think this way. Each car carries 1-4 people who are going to spend money in the mall laugh.gif

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jun 21 2023, 04:53 PM)
Looks tight but actually not la. They draw an extra box in between cars so it gives an illusion that the parking spot is small.
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I prefer lines like this, then people will actually park with sufficient space between cars. Otherwise you get people parking like babi and squeeze the next bays
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post Jun 21 2023, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jun 21 2023, 04:53 PM)
Looks tight but actually not la. They draw an extra box in between cars so it gives an illusion that the parking spot is small.

user posted image

That being said, pavilion bukit jalil parking system is still sucks big time.
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So far I only see this design at Pavilion developed buildings. The extra line is for door open space. I like this design and I call it longkang line.

I notice the above car parked wrongly by stepping the longkang line.

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 21 2023, 07:36 PM)
Is this how they really think? Surely damn sohai if they think this way. Each car carries 1-4 people who are going to spend money in the mall
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Used to work in a company providing parking solutions for buildings (think double decker car park machine, etc.). Single floor need to have higher height than normal but can sumbat double capacity.

Word is developer could remove 2 whole carpark floors and replace them with shopping mall floors vs design without the parking solution. The spending they made for the parking solutions must make sense somehow right to have that 2 extra commercial floors?

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QUOTE(keybearer @ Jun 21 2023, 06:47 PM)
Used to work in a company providing parking solutions for buildings (think double decker car park machine, etc.). Single floor need to have higher height than normal but can sumbat double capacity.

Word is developer could remove 2 whole carpark floors and replace them with shopping mall floors vs design without the parking solution. The spending they made for the parking solutions must make sense somehow right to have that 2 extra commercial floors?
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From parking solution standpoint, that sales pitch makes sense.

Realistically speaking though, I don't think it really makes sense. If you have a parking problem (too many customers), then expanding parking size makes sense because that means there's more traffic and money flowing into your mall which helps keep your shops alive.

Expanding shops without expanding parking doesn't make sense because the inflow of customers remains pretty much the same but now spread out into even more shops. Which might kill some of your current tenants.


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post Jun 21 2023, 07:18 PM

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try SG mall complex......
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post Jun 21 2023, 07:21 PM

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Draw using kancil la tu

Only Times Square parking best.

Try menara KH basement brows.gif

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jun 21 2023, 04:11 PM)
now shopping mall car park space is designed for segment C and below, those segment D cars have a hard time park inside the parking space.

cars are getting bigger and yet car park spaces are getting smaller. laugh.gif
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Bylaw dictates min size of car park lot is 2.4m x 4.8m


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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 21 2023, 08:07 PM)
From parking solution standpoint, that sales pitch makes sense.

Realistically speaking though, I don't think it really makes sense. If you have a parking problem (too many customers), then expanding parking size makes sense because that means there's more traffic and money flowing into your mall which helps keep your shops alive.

Expanding shops without expanding parking doesn't make sense because the inflow of customers remains pretty much the same but now spread out into even more shops. Which might kill some of your current tenants.
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Think of it this way. DBKL no. of parking requirement might not be the most optimal from a business perspective. Pretty sure the devs have a more accurate historical data on ideal no. of parking (for example optimally only 70% of DBKL's standard no. is occupied at most in any given time), so might as well make a space where you can collect long term rent.

Just my presumption though. There's also the matter of having extra basement floors / upper floors can lead to expensive costs beyond certain threshold, so it'd make sense if they did it not to cross that.
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PJ parking all draw using Maivee isit
DBKL one can fit perfectly for truck but Pj one so short
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post Jun 21 2023, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Jun 21 2023, 04:19 PM)
The Damansara malls got a lot of parking.

Glo Damansara , 3 Damansara, Damansara City Mall
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post Jun 21 2023, 07:50 PM

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Segment D all got auto parking feature right?
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QUOTE(vhs @ Jun 21 2023, 07:50 PM)
Segment D all got auto parking feature right?
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it is faster if u park urself. lol
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Some public parking even b seg car just right size fitting in only
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ampang korea village, the parking is super damn small. And the kids scratch my car door while open it.
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Alpha Angle,30 + years old mall, car park space is large, can park comfortably
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The worst one is Mid Valley mall. Narrow, then must go up so many floors with tight space.

Best Ive experienced is Suria KLCC. Straight away can drive to top floor, no ned to go round and round and follow some slow bish.
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Jun 21 2023, 07:22 PM)
Think of it this way. DBKL no. of parking requirement might not be the most optimal from a business perspective. Pretty sure the devs have a more accurate historical data on ideal no. of parking (for example optimally only 70% of DBKL's standard no. is occupied at most in any given time), so might as well make a space where you can collect long term rent.

Just my presumption though. There's also the matter of having extra basement floors / upper floors can lead to expensive costs beyond certain threshold, so it'd make sense if they did it not to cross that.
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I think if devs are really data oriented (which from my experience they are not). So many malls wouldn't be built in the same area, and so many malls wouldn't be dead malls now.

Malls like 1Utama has more parking than shops I think.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 21 2023, 10:25 PM)
I think if devs are really data oriented (which from my experience they are not). So many malls wouldn't be built in the same area, and so many malls wouldn't be dead malls now.

Malls like 1Utama has more parking than shops I think.
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Just sharing based on my short stint as a subcon. Devs usually listen to their consultants, but main cons are the least data oriented, old school dinosaur apek kind lol.

Need some developer ktard to chime in.

 

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