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post Jun 14 2023, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(68 others @ Jun 14 2023, 09:40 AM)
when ordering is done through ordering apps
food is served via robot
payment is done in ordering apps.
taukeh soh is sitting on the counter like mascott.
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as long make money, why not
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post Jun 14 2023, 09:55 AM

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Why should I pay when the staffs are incompetent, and face busuk like tahi? I try my best to avoid places with 16% tax, especially shops operated by locals with very poor service. If others can operate without tax, why can't you??
A sauna noodle shop starting with M at Puchong got complained by so many customers, yet the staff still behave the same. The price of their menu is on the high side and i expect quality service. Treated like tahi for twice and i hate that outlet knock.gif
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post Jun 14 2023, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(bashlyner @ Jun 14 2023, 09:43 AM)
no problem if they really share the money with the staff
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Why not just include it in the price tag? The price tag without all these surcharge are misleading the customers.

This is psychology tactic on marketing, trick customer to perceive a lower price to boost business.
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post Jun 14 2023, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(68 others @ Jun 14 2023, 09:53 AM)
service tax =/= service charge
service tax paid to gov, service charge paid to employee
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staff: boss where's the collected service charge?
boss: that's where your basic salary came from....
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 14 2023, 09:58 AM)
staff: boss where's the collected service charge?
boss: that's where your basic salary came from....
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nope. service charge collected is to be paid on top of the wage.

(a) Service charge is a remuneration to the employees payable in cash for work done under a contract of service. Hence, it does not fall within the definition of ‘basic wages’ under NWCCA and Section 2 of Employment Act 1955.


© The service charge was an express and established term of the contract of service. It would be wrong to unilaterally remove or vary the contractual terms of service without the employees’ consent.


(d) The service charge, which the patrons paid in monies, did not belong to the hotel but was held on trust for the benefit of its employees. The hotel must not misappropriate those monies to meet its statutory obligation.
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:05 AM

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Why g allow restaurants to do this
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(blue litmus @ Jun 14 2023, 09:55 AM)
Why should I pay when the staffs are incompetent, and face busuk like tahi? I try my best to avoid places with 16% tax, especially shops operated by locals with very poor service. If others can operate without tax, why can't you??
A sauna noodle shop starting with M at Puchong got complained by so many customers, yet the staff still behave the same. The price of their menu is on the high side and i expect quality service. Treated like tahi for twice and i hate that outlet knock.gif
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not me but, one of my relative pattern is, if shit food shit service still charge 10% service charge and 6% sst he will conlanfirm make a scene before leaving the restaurant lmao

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post Jun 14 2023, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(68 others @ Jun 14 2023, 10:04 AM)
nope. service charge collected is to be paid on top of the wage.

(a) Service charge is a remuneration to the employees payable in cash for work done under a contract of service. Hence, it does not fall within the definition of  ‘basic wages’ under NWCCA and Section 2 of Employment Act 1955.
©  The service charge was an express and established term of the contract of service. It would be wrong to unilaterally remove or vary the contractual terms of service without the employees’ consent.
(d)  The service charge, which the patrons paid in monies, did not belong to the hotel but was held on trust for the benefit of its employees. The hotel must not misappropriate those monies to meet its statutory obligation.
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Does the tauke really follow though...
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 14 2023, 09:57 AM)
Why not just include it in the price tag? The price tag without all these surcharge are misleading the customers.

This is psychology tactic on marketing, trick customer to perceive a lower price to boost business.
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I remember when GST is implemented the government has ordered all eateries to display final price in their menu including service charge. Sadly after it was abolished some eateries revert back to previous misleading price display.
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:07 AM

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then dont spend your $ there, vote with your wallet instead of bukake tered
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(68 others @ Jun 14 2023, 10:04 AM)
nope. service charge collected is to be paid on top of the wage.

(a) Service charge is a remuneration to the employees payable in cash for work done under a contract of service. Hence, it does not fall within the definition of  ‘basic wages’ under NWCCA and Section 2 of Employment Act 1955.
©  The service charge was an express and established term of the contract of service. It would be wrong to unilaterally remove or vary the contractual terms of service without the employees’ consent.
(d)  The service charge, which the patrons paid in monies, did not belong to the hotel but was held on trust for the benefit of its employees. The hotel must not misappropriate those monies to meet its statutory obligation.
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And the police should not accept bribes and malaysians shouldn't run the red traffic lights and the government at all levels are without corruption.
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Chrix @ Jun 14 2023, 10:07 AM)
then dont spend your $ there, vote with your wallet instead of bukake tered
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Ayam always vote with my wallet, but ppl like ayam really the minority hence no impact on the market sweat.gif

The majority who don't vote with their wallet ironically are also the same ppl who always complain not enough money to spend, change new car every few years and pakai latest flag ship phones.
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jun 14 2023, 10:09 AM)
And the police should not accept bribes and malaysians shouldn't run the red traffic lights and the government at all levels are without corruption.
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your point is?
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:12 AM

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Got one taco restaurant I went in Pavilion Bukit Jalil lagi teruk. Charge 10% service charge for self service.

I went dine in, order at counter, cashier face busok, ask me pay upfront when order. Ok I pay first, notice there's 10% service charge on my receipt. Told me to collect my food at their counter. Food served in fastfood tray and food served with plastic wrap.

I ask the manager why got service charge 10%? His answer it's for restaurant cleaning service.

I complain mana ada cleaning the table got food stain. He says it's for rubbish cleaning.

So, after I finish eating I left my leftover on the fastfood tray for him to clean to justify my 10% service charge. Will not go for 2nd time.

This post has been edited by la bella: Jun 14 2023, 10:17 AM
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(bashlyner @ Jun 14 2023, 10:06 AM)
I remember when GST is implemented the government has ordered all eateries to display final price in their menu including service charge. Sadly after it was abolished some eateries revert back to previous misleading price display.
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The govt should revise the rule to mandate business to show final price tag. But everyday dumb politikus just raise useless R&R issue at Parliament.
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jun 14 2023, 09:42 AM)
Robot tak kan free?
Ordering apps tak kan free?
Shop rental tak kan free?
Food and ingredients tak kan free?
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No wonder shops can renovate yearly and pass on the costs to customer.
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:18 AM

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6% is tax to government

10% is the tax to pay the F&B crews / staffs / cooks for operation. Even if the robot is replacing the workers, the robots need capital expenditure & maintenance cost. At oversea, diners are required to give tips.

Bodoh itu simpan sikit.
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(GiganticBird @ Jun 14 2023, 10:05 AM)
not me but, one of my relative pattern is, if shit food shit service still charge 10% service charge and 6% sst he will conlanfirm make a scene before leaving the restaurant lmao
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haha..I just leave a bad google review for them. If their food is decent, might just visit once a while.
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 14 2023, 10:18 AM)
6% is tax to government

10% is the tax to pay the F&B crews / staffs / cooks for operation. Even if the robot is replacing the workers, the robots need capital expenditure & maintenance cost. At oversea, diners are required to give tips.

Bodoh itu simpan sikit.
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so the food price rm10 is just the cost for raw ingredient? 10% service charge is for them to cook for you?
capital expenditure and maintenance cost for robot is to be charge separately to customer under service charge?
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post Jun 14 2023, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 14 2023, 10:18 AM)
6% is tax to government

10% is the tax to pay the F&B crews / staffs / cooks for operation. Even if the robot is replacing the workers, the robots need capital expenditure & maintenance cost. At oversea, diners are required to give tips.

Bodoh itu simpan sikit.
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Traditional business no staff cost, no operation cost?

This is mere business phycology tactic to deceive customer with lower price tag, traditional business would have included all staff/overhead cost in the price tag.

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