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TSCavatzu
post May 27 2023, 09:26 AM, updated 3y ago

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https://says.com/my/news/penang-bans-short-...oking-com-stays

Well it’s finally happened. I’ve repeatedly stressed what the hotel industry has been lobbying and it’s starting to happen. Only a matter of time this is seen as best practice even in KL.

Happy Merry Lelong everyone!
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post May 27 2023, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ May 27 2023, 09:26 AM)
https://says.com/my/news/penang-bans-short-...oking-com-stays

Well it’s finally happened. I’ve repeatedly stressed what the hotel industry has been lobbying and it’s starting to happen. Only a matter of time this is seen as best practice even in KL.

Happy Merry Lelong everyone!
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Good also. Home prices are out of control.

Examples in Kota Bharu, got this Troika condo. 50% only permanent residence. Others either homestay or want to resell.
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post May 27 2023, 10:06 AM

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Thank u dap
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post May 27 2023, 10:07 AM

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But will there be consequences like hotel can simply raise their price due to lack of competitions from airbnb?
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post May 27 2023, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ May 27 2023, 10:07 AM)
But will there be consequences like hotel can simply raise their price due to lack of competitions from airbnb?
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5 star hotel accommodation in Malaysia is already the cheapest in the region. They don’t need the competition of tens of thousands of unregulated Airbnb units.

Do you want to see the local hospitality industry fail and the repercussions of the unemployment from that? The hotel industry has so many rules and regulations on top of tax whereas short term stay has virtually none.

Putting an outright ban and making short term stay an opt-in process is smart and will certainly bring things to a halt.

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post May 27 2023, 11:31 AM

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Wonderful news. I totally support this to protect residential status property. 🤙🏻
For commercial property it's good they need to ask approval. With limited residential title high rise, many buyers have no choice to get commercial title prop. We need more of this protections.
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post May 27 2023, 11:36 AM

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Kiong hee kiong hee, penang lang

Kudos, the same way the state gov banned bangla hire tending to food stalls. Owners do it yourself.

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post May 27 2023, 11:40 AM

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post May 27 2023, 12:09 PM

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This is fair enough only commercial property with 75% 'yes' vote. Hoping this policy spread to KL and JB.
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post May 27 2023, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ May 27 2023, 10:07 AM)
But will there be consequences like hotel can simply raise their price due to lack of competitions from airbnb?
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Hardly, budget hotels/capsule hotels/hostels are a dime a dozen and popping up everywhere now.

Airbnb has only ever been truly beneficial to big families/groups who don't want to stay in multiple rooms, or people looking to get the "service suite apartment with kitchenette and entertainment area" experience on a budget. In the past such rooms are only available to high end hotels, since hostels are not common.

Now that there are cheap hotels that offer multi-bedded rooms, there's more options for families on a budget.
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post Nov 9 2023, 04:44 AM

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https://www.nst.com.my/news/nst-viral/2023/...RDg8sz166_lH5j0

Another case
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post Nov 9 2023, 08:50 AM

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Owner needed to be proactive and unity at jmb & AMG. Many residential property owner want to banned short term stay, but they are helpless if the owner group are inactive.
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post Nov 13 2023, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 9 2023, 08:50 AM)
Owner needed to be proactive and unity at jmb & AMG. Many residential property owner want to banned short term stay, but they are helpless if the owner group are inactive.
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It’s a numbers game. If it’s dominant investor group then of course the JMB is these people too and most likely STS can continue. The own stayers just need to know the rules and their own rights.
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post Nov 13 2023, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Nov 13 2023, 02:29 PM)
It’s a numbers game. If it’s dominant investor group then of course the JMB is these people too and most likely STS can continue. The own stayers just need to know the rules and their own rights.
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I do agree with youtuber said, a place is best for investment will never be best of ownstay. So if a project is best for investment, then buyer buy for own-stay need to anticipate what will happen in feature.

Only for those design for ownstay early, but used to be investment lately, CBD KLCC huge layout condo, then the own stayer will be suffer because want to bar short term stay in AGM, but due to non cooperative / not active of majority owner to participate to vote. So they are suffering. sad.gif
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I don't think they will ban Airbnb in Klang valley. Airbnb is keeping property prices elevated. The wealth effect is important
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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Nov 18 2023, 08:19 PM)
I don't think they will ban Airbnb in Klang valley. Airbnb is keeping property prices elevated. The wealth effect is important
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Airbnb only benefit owners not hotel industry.
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post Nov 18 2023, 08:52 PM

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Even airbnb & booking.com was listed at boycott application, but it totally not affected the short term stay rate at KLCC tourisms hotspot service apartment.

And yes agreed with you, short term stay is not representative whole tourisms industry, but only benefit the owner.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 18 2023, 08:30 PM)
Airbnb only benefit owners not hotel industry.
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You must understand most Malaysian are property owners now
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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Nov 18 2023, 08:54 PM)
You must understand most Malaysian are property owners now
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Most are not in Airbnb
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 18 2023, 09:02 PM)
Most are not in Airbnb
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If you ban Airbnb, that will cause a cascade of negative impact on ALL properties
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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Nov 18 2023, 09:06 PM)
If you ban Airbnb, that will cause a cascade of negative impact on ALL properties
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Then properties will be more affordable to many.
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post Nov 18 2023, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 18 2023, 09:24 PM)
Then properties will be more affordable to many.
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It'll be more affordable but not many will dare to buy, because everyone is waiting for lower prices
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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Nov 18 2023, 09:35 PM)
It'll be more affordable but not many will dare to buy, because everyone is waiting for lower prices
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Not true, as long as the numbers make sense def will attract people to buy. Don't underestimate malaysian
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post Nov 19 2023, 08:27 AM

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As long airbnb operating at proper building, then it's fair to not ban airbnb. Everyone cari makan sahaja.

Residential property 100% ban
Commercial HDA service Apartment. It's better to ban either.
100% Commercial, SOFO, Office Suite (like those Arte, Scarletz, Hugoz, Kyliez, Ceylonz, etc etc). 100% allowed to do airbnb.

The most debate to ban airbnb is at 1st & service Apartment.


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post Nov 19 2023, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 19 2023, 08:27 AM)
As long airbnb operating at proper building, then it's fair to not ban airbnb. Everyone cari makan sahaja.

Residential property 100% ban
Commercial HDA service Apartment. It's better to ban either.
100% Commercial, SOFO, Office Suite (like those Arte, Scarletz, Hugoz, Kyliez, Ceylonz, etc etc). 100% allowed to do airbnb.

The most debate to ban airbnb is at 1st & service Apartment.
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I agree with you fully
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post Nov 19 2023, 10:18 AM

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https://youtu.be/vT6qh72wCZk?si=-JjOIwxl0dp5gJyY

This is not just a malaysia problems, other places have already ban / limit short term stay with licence. Sooner or later it will come to malaysia.

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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Nov 18 2023, 09:06 PM)
If you ban Airbnb, that will cause a cascade of negative impact on ALL properties
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Short term yes, but I see a long term benefit for both parties. To allow short-term stay like AirBnB or homestay, there must be strict rules and enforcement to begin with.

Currently I can say no rules has been applied to the short-term stay operators, they can just suka suka turn the unit into their golden goose without taking care of the macro environment. Hotel operators in the other hand are professional short-term stay handler and appropriate enforcement has been applied to them since then.
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QUOTE(Angellynx @ Nov 19 2023, 11:07 AM)
Short term yes, but I see a long term benefit for both parties. To allow short-term stay like AirBnB or homestay, there must be strict rules and enforcement to begin with.

Currently I can say no rules has been applied to the short-term stay operators, they can just suka suka turn the unit into their golden goose without taking care of the macro environment. Hotel operators in the other hand are professional short-term stay handler and appropriate enforcement has been applied to them since then.
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A lot of spycam around too
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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Nov 19 2023, 12:49 PM)
A lot of spycam around too
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This one memang need enforcement team to tangkap liao lor. U think airbnb tak ada meh, mungkin lagi teruk oh hahaha
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I read somewhere that spycam is under kesalahan kecil which resulted in RM 500 penalty. Not sure true or not. Need to ask whoever is lawyer here
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ May 27 2023, 09:26 AM)
https://says.com/my/news/penang-bans-short-...oking-com-stays

Well it’s finally happened. I’ve repeatedly stressed what the hotel industry has been lobbying and it’s starting to happen. Only a matter of time this is seen as best practice even in KL.

Happy Merry Lelong everyone!
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Besides that, the property owners must obtain a 75% 'yes' vote from other residents of the building.


wah this one hardly happen, really GG

 

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