Portrait is actually best taken with DSLR (or mirrorless) with off-camera flash and maybe reflectors.
Many people say flash photo not good, because they don't know to to use it.

For landscape, unless you need ultra-wide or super-telephoto, phone is good enough.

For absolutely budget definitely a Canon R50 + one of the Canon R telephoto lenses.

They've got 100-400mm, 600mm 800mm, and buying the body + lens will only set you back around RM5000++

tried tat before but found out PC software have support more for cameras so in the end camera RAW is much better.

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: May 22 2023, 07:42 PM

Yup, if u look at 32 inch screen, u can see all the artifacts lol

But if i go canon, all my kits and strobe becomes useless

True

All also serves it's purpose. Sometimes phone is the best tool, sometimes the ILC is the best tool, sometimes action cam is the best tool. Nothing is a waste of money if you're happy with the process and/or output. Some people think buying stamps waste money, some people think buy antique pots waste money. If you got the disposable income, make yourself happy and spend! hahaha

1. You wrote 300m(etres) but I'm thinking you mean 300mm lens? or your bird is 300 metres away (impossible to fill the frame for an object 300m away [3 football field length] with a reasonable setup)? Either definition and you will end up spending too much or not enough reach. the common birding focal length is around 600mm in 35mm format terms. I think maybe 400mm to 500mm is also doable but it will result in lots of cropping/loss of image quality. Still doable though and acceptable IQ is subjective depending on how you view the images, using denoise/image enhancers, etc...

Weight matters when you're carrying heavy lenses around. Even normal 70-200mm can feel heavy after a while. cannot imagine those 600mm lenses regardless of mirrorless or dslr lenses. If you can pay to shave some grams of your setup, I would say go for it. Gonna cost ya a lot of money though for those shaved grams.

2. IMHO, specifically for birding, I don't think ANY phone camera can do proper birding (unless you photograph birds in cages or zoos or maybe urban pigeons that aren't afraid of humans).. if you're thinking birding as in walking around in a park and you see an egret/kingfisher and you wanna shoot a picture, NO PHONE is acceptable for birding. Would love to see people try though. This alone already justifies the use of an ILC if indeed your goal and passion is birding. I think a camera with merely 200-300mm and cropped to fill the frame will still do better than a phone camera BY A LONG SHOT with its digital zooming to the same equivalent framing.

3. Many youtubers showcase like 'phone vs camera' comparisons. I think for various genres like portraits, landscapes, still life, product, low light, etc.... there could be a case for both ILCs and phones depending on the case usage and skill of the photographer. Especially for top end phones with pro RAW, computational photography, these things are getting pretty good right now for a lot of use cases. Both are great tools in your arsenal. I recommend you check Lee Zavitz channel. he does very good comparisons for portraits this way for a lot of the current phones/ILCs.

I would even add by saying that getting a decent phone (with a decent camera) is just something you'd get anyway even if you don't plan on buying an ILC. so there's no choice factor of either or... merely do you want more toys and enjoy the process and output an ILC can provide that can be very different from what we get with our phones. hahaha. BUY!

Yeah i meant 300mm.

Oo so need 600mm 🫣. Dono can afford the price hahaha
But good point, thanks for sharing.

I need to create my budget la, thats why i asked

own a Fuji XS10 for travel purpose.

I see you're asking about taking a camera for travels?

I have iPhone 14 Pro Max, Sony A7III with 85mm 1.8, Fujifilm X100V fixed lens mirrorless. The Fuji is very expensive costing more than iPhone but it's very well worth the investment, especially if you're printing the photos. Don't even need to Lightroom coz the film simulations are beyond amazing.

I travel around a lot and for extended duration of time. Let me tell you something, compact and convenience is king.

Here are some UNEDITED shots taken with my Fuji.

When I look back at all the past photos I take, I will always associate phone photos to belong to some era and the pics just feel so artificial.

these days we all go Sony A7
those pocket camera are dated so many decades already

but very heavy lor. nowadays most hp good enough for normal pictures.

Nice. Always nice to expand to new genres to keep it fresh.

I see you're already a Nikon shooter. the F-mount 200-500mm always seems to be praised. I see the used prices in carousel going for <RM5k. At least you don't have to switch systems. Those 500mm primes are bonkers in their prices.

The Tamron 150-600mm G2 for Nikon seems to get good reviews too. that's a whole lot cheaper used at around <RM4k in carousel. However, the IQ and AF speed for the Nikon is supposedly far superior

Me
Phone —> Mirrorless —> Back to phone again

Ur leica is dslr?

Lighter to carry ?

Dulu lugged up a D90 to Mt Kinabalu cos 2015 phone camera not gooding + limited charging possible

Back then was mirrored DSLR.. enough juice for photos, wefies, etc

Nowadays tech improved.. might consider a Sony A7C or the likes... but already have the 80-200, 12-24 for Nikon..haiz

This.
I really don't recommend DSLR as a hobby or starting into photography.
You will regret it when you realize the photo you took in DSLR will need to go through hours of processing which a handphone can do in seconds.
Then you realize you wasted money on something you think you can easily pick up over the weekends.

Kan ada z7 ii

If you go mirrorless from dlsr..u need lens adapter right..

kesian macha yan just discovered DSLR?

Never had an issue with the dynamic range.. been happy so far.. combine with old minolta lens, not too sakit on my wallet 👍

Yep correct.. SLT is early form of mirrorless in SLR from Sony..