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post May 12 2023, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ May 12 2023, 02:41 AM)
You said your family is important, so you should be where your family is. If your family wants to move with you to the UK, then move. If they don't then stay in Malaysia.
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Yes they are.
But they want me to go if I get it , they are more excited than I am.
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post May 12 2023, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 7 2023, 11:49 PM)
Salary around rm11k
wrongly read.

go for it TS

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post May 12 2023, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ May 8 2023, 01:34 AM)
The most important question is
Do you ask your partner about this, are she and yr kid up to this changes?
How about both sides of parents?

The rest is up to you. Good prospect are hard to come by but if it doesn’t work out, do you have plan B?
If all are ok and well plan, then I don’t see why not give it a try.
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My partner is more excited than I am. She is up for the move. Kid is still 3yo.
No ones else knows about it just yet. Sure parents wont be happy, have to leave them again.

I dont know what plan B is, come back and job hunt again in Malaysia maybe.
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post May 12 2023, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 12 2023, 12:00 PM)
My partner is more excited than I am. She is up for the move. Kid is still 3yo.
No ones else knows about it just yet. Sure parents wont be happy, have to leave them again.

I dont know what plan B is, come back and job hunt again in Malaysia maybe.
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If the wife and kid is coming along, you will have to do a review of your COL with the family in tow, rather than individual.

I think its a good move career-wise, but not really sure financial wise it's much of a difference.
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post May 12 2023, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 12 2023, 12:00 PM)
My partner is more excited than I am. She is up for the move. Kid is still 3yo.
No ones else knows about it just yet. Sure parents wont be happy, have to leave them again.

I dont know what plan B is, come back and job hunt again in Malaysia maybe.
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Word of advice. It's almost impossible to bring your parents long term to UK, they probably won't want to anyway. Parents can stay up to 6 months a year in the UK though

Wife and kids no problem. Money doesn't seem to be a problem for you so why bother saving so much?

Just enjoy life in europe, so many places to visit. Link below is some of my recent trips:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5362211


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post May 12 2023, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 12 2023, 12:00 PM)
My partner is more excited than I am. She is up for the move. Kid is still 3yo.
No ones else knows about it just yet. Sure parents wont be happy, have to leave them again.

I dont know what plan B is, come back and job hunt again in Malaysia maybe.
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well, if your wife is up to it and know the risk. Why not give it a try!
Parents might be sad but we need to look further into future especially you already got young kid that can and will adopt to the lifestyle there.
If the kid any older, they might not like it.

If me, i will give it a try since financially and everyone are ok with it and still young if really not work out to come back.

I miss the chance to go either SG or Australia when me and partner was younger cos she not up to it especially Australia.
SG, she also hesitate cos need to start everything from zero but got commitment. Me too need to start from zero cos i need to close down my business here.
As time pass, the opportunities closed up as our business picking up and kids grow up.
There always something inside me reminding me, what if hmm.gif

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post May 13 2023, 12:52 AM

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The offered package is crap. I wont even bother. Relocating this far and with family along takes so much more.
Stay back and look for something else.
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post May 13 2023, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ May 13 2023, 12:52 AM)
The offered package is crap. I wont even bother. Relocating this far and with family along takes so much more.
Stay back and look for something else.
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whats your "acceptable" package then?
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post May 13 2023, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ May 8 2023, 09:26 PM)
around £10k per year. not focusing so much on savings because I got private and public pension funds. still got a few hundred k in EPF too

rather spend travelling like what brits do. if lose job, can just claim housing benefits, universal credit, job seeker allowances etc
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the private and public pension fund from UK? Is it compulsory to contribute to pension fund. And have you got your PR?
When I was in the US, I did not sign up for 401k Because I know I'm not going to settle down in the US. I invested my money into stocks and the rest send back to Malaysia to pay off debts. Though Im debt free now and own a home (probably the best investment Ive made while working in the US), still worried about my future finance.
I only have about rm100+k investment in the US from my time there, EPF not so much because I only worked in Malaysia for 4 years in total.

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post May 13 2023, 05:41 PM

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Been simply exploring Surrey for property rentals, 2B units are at least 1.5k gbp and they look so ugly, macam rumah zaman peaky blinders biggrin.gif
so the rental would be potentially 40-50% of nett pay.

Currently, I'm only paying 17% of my nett pay for rent, 3B spacious condo unit in JB.
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post May 13 2023, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 13 2023, 05:33 PM)
the private and public pension fund from UK? Is it compulsory to contribute to pension fund. And have you got your PR?
When I was in the US, I did not sign up for 401k Because I know I'm not going to settle down in the US. I invested my money into stocks and the rest send back to Malaysia to pay off debts. Though Im debt free now and own a home (probably the best investment Ive made while working in the US), still worried about my future finance.
I only have about rm100+k investment in the US from my time there, EPF not so much because I only worked in Malaysia for 4 years in total.
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Yes, you can probably opt out. Yes, I have PR here. The problem I have working in 3 different countries is the pensions are scattered across 3 countries. You can always pay into EPF with your earnings from abroad if you want to retire in Malaysia

you need to think long and hard where you want to settle down before making your decision
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post May 13 2023, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ May 13 2023, 08:36 PM)
Yes, you can probably opt out. Yes, I have PR here. The problem I have working in 3 different countries is the pensions are scattered across 3 countries. You can always pay into EPF with your earnings from abroad if you want to retire in Malaysia

you need to think long and hard where you want to settle down before making your decision
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Don't mind me asking how much you're earning? I know you mentioned you save about 10k gbp a year, I'm assuming that's after all your travelling or buying/enjoying things you want?
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post May 13 2023, 10:37 PM

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I finally un-SUS to join this tered.

Career wise, I would say that UK might be a good place, but family-wise, it depends.

My experience, I came to the UK almost fifteen years ago, and I come here by giving up everything I had in Malaysia. Managed to survive tho.

Nowadays, it might be difficult, because of how things changed here.
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post May 13 2023, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 13 2023, 09:41 AM)
Been simply exploring Surrey for property rentals, 2B units are at least 1.5k gbp and they look so ugly, macam rumah zaman peaky blinders biggrin.gif
so the rental would be potentially 40-50% of nett pay.

Currently, I'm only paying 17% of my nett pay for rent, 3B spacious condo unit in JB.
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Living actually can be arranged at ease once you have a proper permit to work/stay here in the UK. (My line is more to jimat cermat style, and would be even friendlier if you're a Chinese)

But again, I dunno why you would choose Surrey. Is that location close to your workplace?

Houses in the UK is always had the odd design, ugly I would emphasize. They loves rounded, corners, full of edges, terrible window built in, awful design, and cramping stuff into spaces, for example, putting a stairs right in front of you after opening the main door, to putting a wall between your kitchen to living room etc.

I notice you mentioned you're coming to the UK with your family in consideration, so might as well choose a place good and accessible, not too rural. (traffic is shyte here, with many hidden cost)
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post May 13 2023, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ May 13 2023, 10:37 PM)
I finally un-SUS to join this tered.

Career wise, I would say that UK might be a good place, but family-wise, it depends.

My experience, I came to the UK almost fifteen years ago, and I come here by giving up everything I had in Malaysia. Managed to survive tho.

Nowadays, it might be difficult, because of how things changed here.
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From a career perspective, I think it will open up more options for me in the future. During the interview, I did ask about the state of the company during covid and with possible global recession/inflation -
according to them, they have a new CEO and he brought in new investments that have set them for the next 7 years, at least the plan for next 3 to 4 years is clear what needs to be delivered. Hence why they are expanding.
Plius during covid, the company did lay-off people but their team was not affected (RnD engineering)

May I ask, have you regretted the decision to go to UK?

QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ May 13 2023, 10:43 PM)
Living actually can be arranged at ease once you have a proper permit to work/stay here in the UK. (My line is more to jimat cermat style, and would be even friendlier if you're a Chinese)

But again, I dunno why you would choose Surrey. Is that location close to your workplace?

Yes, the company is in Surrey. Or any location you may want to recommend around Surrey. Would be great if there are Asian/Malaysian community in the area

Houses in the UK is always had the odd design, ugly I would emphasize. They loves rounded, corners, full of edges, terrible window built in, awful design, and cramping stuff into spaces, for example, putting a stairs right in front of you after opening the main door, to putting a wall between your kitchen to living room etc.

I notice you mentioned you're coming to the UK with your family in consideration, so might as well choose a place good and accessible, not too rural. (traffic is shyte here, with many hidden cost)

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Yea, not sure yet if I would be going first and they would join later or we all go together. However that's something to think about if Im selected. My friend (one of the interviewer) told me he will update me by end of next week.
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post May 13 2023, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 13 2023, 03:00 PM)
From a career perspective, I think it will open up more options for me in the future. During the interview, I did ask about the state of the company during covid and with possible global recession/inflation -
according to them, they have a new CEO and he brought in new investments that have set them for the next 7 years, at least the plan for next 3 to 4 years is clear what needs to be delivered. Hence why they are expanding.
Plius during covid, the company did lay-off people but their team was not affected (RnD engineering)

May I ask, have you regretted the decision to go to UK?
Yea, not sure yet if I would be going first and they would join later or we all go together. However that's something to think about if Im selected. My friend (one of the interviewer) told me he will update me by end of next week.
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No regret so far. I'm not any overachiever or whatever expertise fella after all. I graduated from Master in Molecular Gastronomy, swiss master degree, come back malaysia become a retail assistant manager, a regional manager for certain 7-11-like retail company, and fail in my own kopitiam business, habis all my savings and marriage fund.

Coming to the UK was a great eye opener honestly. (After failure and had to hidup to die later)

As long you feel the company is good, reliable, and you're a challenger, I don't see why not to come here and have a try. After all, there's a word says that a dying camel is still taller and bigger than a healthy horse. From outside view, UK is bombarded with inflation, terrible NHS reliability, Brexit, higher cost of living, braindrain, career and whatever, but its all from the outsider's view. We're looking at China with the same mindset too, but my wife side family in China all cari makan shiok shiok, house bigger than mine, car bigger than mine, life better than mine, but income worst than mine.

I hardly mingle with Malaysian, but from my ex-information, places like Leyton/Leytonstone used to have loads of Malaysian, as well as Lewisham/Grove Park, which is slightly greater london. (Sorry but I got big hatred and prejudice over Malaysian in the UK...)

Oh, btw, before coming, always always make sure that you got all your stuff done. You don't want the banks, the house, the insurance, the shits, to come and bug you with "oh you gotta come back and sign or see us to get things handled. You're not in malaysia? Not my concern, now go die thanks" reply.
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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 13 2023, 08:41 PM)
Don't mind me asking how much you're earning? I know you mentioned you save about 10k gbp a year, I'm assuming that's after all your travelling or buying/enjoying things you want?
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salary P&C biggrin.gif . but yes, it's after all of that. i got post where i work before:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4650037&hl=
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post May 19 2023, 08:32 AM

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I'll be attending an interview next week conducted by a UK-based company, the hiring manager is a good friend of mine (a European) we used to work and hang out in the US many years ago.
Recently he contacted me and asked if I'm willing to join his team in the UK, he seems to be very keen on bringing me there. We had an unofficial chat about the role before the actual interview.

Currently, I also work in a UK company based in Malaysia. Salary around rm11k. I have no significant commitments, house (in KL) and car paid off. Married with a child.
Though I own a house, I'm renting so I could stay nearby work. After minus all my critical expenses (rent,grocery,family,utilities) I can save about 3-4k a month ( I invest half of it).

Now about the UK work, I didn't really ask my friend about the salary just yet but from what I got to know from Glassdoor, for the same exact position the salary is about 5200 pounds a month.
After-tax, that's around 3.7k. Unit rental, to have similar convenience that I have now, i.e large house, close to work... I may need to fork out around 1.2-1.5k.
Now that leaves me about 2.5k for the rest. I may need a car. And for the rest of the expenses I might be down to 1-1.5k in savings --> which equates to rm6-7k.

With all the negative economic news surrounding the UK, I'm no expert but everything just not pointing in the right direction. Inflation, rental hikes, recession.
I don't know if this is something I should be pursuing. I love the work, it's something I'm good at and no doubt - the company is an 'elite' brand in its industry - like Rolex for watches. It would be great for the CV. But I don't know if it's worth the trouble of moving there, leaving the life I have here. Do I leave for that extra rm2-3k, leaving behind my friends and family - starting all over again? I worked in the US for 7 years before and came back to Malaysia 3 years ago thinking I may not get another oversea opportunity. But here we are... if this was just another company, I might have just said no thank you - but its like a dream company to work with because of its brand.

Something for me to think about but I would like to know your thoughts about the move or experience working in the UK, any piece of advice.
Thanks.

UPDATE:
Just attended the interview, my friend was one of the interviewer but his colleague was whom I'd be reporting to if I'm selected. The interview went well, personally,I felt good, I think I scored well without my friends help. biggrin.gif
I still haven't decided yet, just waiting for the offer before I make my decision. Thanks to all who have given feedback.
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Your friend was one of the interviewer? Was he an active participant in the interview or just sitting in as an observer? It's a conflict of interest if your friend knowing you personally and having worked with you before being the one to interview you. Most professional companies will not do that but at most just let your friend sit in as a passive observer.

Sorry not related to your question...

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wife colleague (28m) quitted last year and when over london. analyst with a pay of 7kGBP (before deductions). company was talking about diversity, hiring more asians etc. same time came up with a similar offer for my wife to go over together. however after a few weeks of discussion, we decided it was better to stay put in malaysia (which we did not regret till now).

had a good catch up with him last month when he was back and he told me he really enjoyed working there, good work life balanace. the wife also enjoys the place, u have weekend market, parks etc.

intially, his plan was to get employed there, can get stationed in malaysia, hence earning GBP while able to stay in MY. however financially, that's not working out and he's planning to move back to malaysia this year.
rental in london is atleast 50% of his income, staying not too near and not too far from central london. and with all the tax deduction, the bring home income isnt a lot. nowadays they have to re-consider if they wanna go out on the weekend.
secondly is inflation is very serious over there. their ultility bills are off the roof. so in the end he's trying to get a job back in Malaysia or SG, but his sector is facing large retrenchment.

so this is just a close friend story i would wanna share. i do believe the work life balance is amazing and if you can get stationed here with you being employed there is even better! hoping you all the best !
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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ May 7 2023, 11:58 PM)
Also I've been in the UK for a while, their lifestyle is not my cup of tea. Rather be here.
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may i know in what aspect

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