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TSKakistok
post May 8 2023, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ May 8 2023, 04:15 AM)
Hi TS, I am living in UK for almost 10 years now.

The negative economic news by youtube and western media are often way over exaggerated because GBP is still strong so it isn't that bad

I personally think it is very good opportunity and never regretted moving over
That good to hear

But you have to get used to the weather, the food. Salary isn't the biggest issue normally, cars are cheap. You have to take driving license again

Most importantly, which part of UK?
Surrey
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I've had experience working in the US before for 7 years at the age of 27, went there single. Salary from rm3500 which I could barely save anything to earning USD8k there, US4800 after tax,
still can save about 2k (rm8k) after all expenses (including entertainment). The living cost was comparatively low in the US because of its strong currency and high purchasing power. House rental, and labour services (i.e plumbing, car service etc) are expensive but other than, they are all affordable. So I don't know if the UK falls in the same bracket. I'm aware the salary in the UK is nowhere as high in the US.
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post May 8 2023, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ May 8 2023, 01:12 AM)
UK is so big, you never say which part. Definitely you cannot survive London on 3.7k with family smile.gif
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post May 8 2023, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ May 7 2023, 11:58 PM)
What do you want in the long run? Migrate to UK? Just make the money?

What's important to you right now? Money? Family or career?

How old are your parents? Are you happy being away from parents? How long is the contract?

Personally, family and parents are important to me. When I'm young, I will go. But now that I am in my 30s, I want to be near my parents. I may not earn as much but at least I get to spend time with parents. These kind of things, even money can't buy. Once they are gone, there is nothing you can do to bring them back.

There are ways to make money in Malaysia too. Also I've been in the UK for a while, their lifestyle is not my cup of tea. Rather be here.
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I don't want to migrate but Im open to work overseas and return. I lived and worked in the US for 7 years, I never felt home though the money was great. I came back just to be home. I want my kid to grow with my family members around her. My family is big and tight-knit.

Clearly my family is important, but if I could go for couple of years, build a little more wealth and come back with a much better CV. Now what I'm unsure now if that wealth and CV really going to make a big difference by going to the UK
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post May 8 2023, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ May 7 2023, 11:58 PM)
What do you want in the long run? Migrate to UK? Just make the money?

What's important to you right now? Money? Family or career?

How old are your parents? Are you happy being away from parents? How long is the contract?

Personally, family and parents are important to me. When I'm young, I will go. But now that I am in my 30s, I want to be near my parents. I may not earn as much but at least I get to spend time with parents. These kind of things, even money can't buy. Once they are gone, there is nothing you can do to bring them back.

There are ways to make money in Malaysia too. Also I've been in the UK for a while, their lifestyle is not my cup of tea. Rather be here.
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This. However TS, I would go if there's no filial duty on your shoulder. you can always find new friends but not your parents. If your parents is already in good care (by another sibling ) then I would take the opportunity.
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post May 8 2023, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 8 2023, 08:10 AM)
I don't want to migrate but Im open to work overseas and return. I lived and worked in the US for 7 years, I never felt home though the money was great. I came back just to be home. I want my kid to grow with my family members around her. My family is big and tight-knit.

Clearly my family is important, but if I could go for couple of years, build a little more wealth and come back with a much better CV. Now what I'm unsure now if that wealth and CV really going to make a big difference by going to the UK
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Im older and have stayed overseas quite awhile…time with family is something i cant get back..wealth if you smart enough there is always opportunity. The only problem in msia now is its too hot lol..
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post May 8 2023, 08:45 AM

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Just go. There's many big companies setup their base in Surrey

I was there for study and now working with a British company in Malaysia. I get to go to UK for business meeting 2-3 times a year. Groceries expenses doesn't change much from when I was a student. It's affordable. But can't say so for accommodation and energy bills. Pity my colleagues have to fill up GBP100 for a full tank of diesel into her Volvo XC60 :-(

Is your friend the decision maker in your hiring? If yes, you are likely to confirm getting the job. The interview is just a formality. If the company has business entity setup here, instead of physically move to UK, you can try negotiate to be based in Malaysia, to be paid in GBP equivalent, work in same UK time zone remotely (many jobs transformed thanks to COVID). It's only 7-8 hrs different, not as bad as USA where you need to be night owl to serve their territory.

If you do get to move to Surrey and decide to come back later (must stay at least 3 years), can apply for Returning Expert Program (REP) from government. You'll get lower income tax, can buy CKD car tax free, etc
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post May 8 2023, 09:19 AM

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think about your child, going there, would save you a bomb in education costs and you get world class IGSCE education.

Here parents have to borrow and beg to pay 45k to 100k a year for each kid to study in private schools for IGSCE.

Imagine how much your kid can save.

working hours in UK is 830 to 530pm, they don't do OT. This is why my USA colleagues always complain how lazy UK counterparts are.

London has wonderful parks, museums, theatres and cultural centers. Very nice place for holiday and weekend break. You can holiday around UK or travel to Europe.

Childcare there is world class. My cousin's son there is taken care very well in their nurseries. Their ratio for day care worker to child is like 1 to 3/4 if I not mistaken.

Downside is the high tax and your net income. I am not sure about rental, please check it out, if you wanna save you may have to live with middle eastern migrants in 2 room apartments and go shopping groceries at Asda.

but overall, Just Do It. Very few people get this type of opportunity !

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post May 8 2023, 09:32 AM

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post May 8 2023, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ May 8 2023, 04:15 AM)
Hi TS, I am living in UK for almost 10 years now.

The negative economic news by youtube and western media are often way over exaggerated because GBP is still strong so it isn't that bad

I personally think it is very good opportunity and never regretted moving over

But you have to get used to the weather, the food. Salary isn't the biggest issue normally, cars are cheap. You have to take driving license again

Most importantly, which part of UK?
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I used to stay there 10 years ago and i did retaje the Driving Test for uk's driving license. There were many friends did not retake driving test...they got hong kong's driving license and once in uk, they converted to uk's driving license. No need to spend lots of money attending driving class. And dont take driving test in london as many rates of failure there
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post May 8 2023, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 7 2023, 11:49 PM)
I'll be attending an interview next week conducted by a UK-based company, the hiring manager is a good friend of mine (a European) we used to work and hang out in the US many years ago.
Recently he contacted me and asked if I'm willing to join his team in the UK, he seems to be very keen on bringing me there. We had an unofficial chat about the role before the actual interview.

Currently, I also work in a UK company based in Malaysia. Salary around rm11k. I have no significant commitments, house (in KL) and car paid off. Married with a child.
Though I own a house, I'm renting so I could stay nearby work. After minus all my critical expenses (rent,grocery,family,utilities) I can save about 3-4k a month ( I invest half of it).

Now about the UK work, I didn't really ask my friend about the salary just yet but from what I got to know from Glassdoor, for the same exact position the salary is about 5200 pounds a month.
After-tax, that's around 3.7k. Unit rental, to have similar convenience that I have now, i.e large house, close to work... I may need to fork out around 1.2-1.5k.
Now that leaves me about 2.5k for the rest. I may need a car. And for the rest of the expenses I might be down to 1-1.5k in savings --> which equates to rm6-7k.

With all the negative economic news surrounding the UK, I'm no expert but everything just not pointing in the right direction. Inflation, rental hikes, recession.
I don't know if this is something I should be pursuing. I love the work, it's something I'm good at and no doubt - the company is an 'elite' brand in its industry - like Rolex for watches. It would be great for the CV. But I don't know if it's worth the trouble of moving there, leaving the life I have here. Do I leave for that extra rm2-3k, leaving behind my friends and family - starting all over again? I worked in the US for 7 years before and came back to Malaysia 3 years ago thinking I may not get another oversea opportunity. But here we are... if this was just another company, I might have just said no thank you - but its like a dream company to work with because of its brand.

Something for me to think about but I would like to know your thoughts about the move or experience working in the UK, any piece of advice.
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If your child less than 7yo.
Go.

If more than that.. Not so good.

But eventually you will regret if you no go.

Like the poem The road not taken.

I will pass this decision to my wife. 😂
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post May 8 2023, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ May 8 2023, 06:04 AM)
Yeah this would be ideal, but I really don’t want to set up life in uk, bring children up and everything then retire overseas

Grandchildren for life lmao. Need to make sure can retire happily with passive income in uk too.

On the other hand, I know if I have children in Malaysia, by the time they are adults and PN has ravaged the country into Afghanistan, they would also leave and never come back. And I’ll be alone in Malaysia

So yeah a lot to think about

UK at least I am not constitutionally less than the whites, even if in practice racism is still there
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In malaysia Chinese are constitutionally less than bumi, but financially? 😅
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post May 8 2023, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Bendot @ May 8 2023, 10:35 AM)
I used to stay there 10 years ago and i did retaje the Driving Test  for uk's driving license. There were many friends did not retake driving test...they got hong kong's driving license and once in uk, they converted to uk's driving license. No need to spend lots of money attending driving class. And dont take driving test in london as many rates of failure there
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That loophole doesn't work anymore: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article...-agreement-hong

I took my driving test in London and passed first time
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post May 8 2023, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 8 2023, 07:59 AM)
I've had experience working in the US before for 7 years at the age of 27, went there single. Salary from rm3500 which I could barely save anything to earning USD8k there, US4800 after tax,
still can save about 2k (rm8k) after all expenses (including entertainment). The living cost was comparatively low in the US because of its strong currency and high purchasing power. House rental, and labour services (i.e plumbing, car service etc) are expensive but other than, they are all affordable. So I don't know if the UK falls in the same bracket. I'm aware the salary in the UK is nowhere as high in the US.
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How were you able to transfer from MY to US
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post May 8 2023, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Kakistok @ May 8 2023, 08:10 AM)
I don't want to migrate but Im open to work overseas and return. I lived and worked in the US for 7 years, I never felt home though the money was great. I came back just to be home. I want my kid to grow with my family members around her. My family is big and tight-knit.

Clearly my family is important, but if I could go for couple of years, build a little more wealth and come back with a much better CV. Now what I'm unsure now if that wealth and CV really going to make a big difference by going to the UK
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Family is important to you. You doubt your wealth will increase much if any if you take the contract. You don't plan to migrate.

The way I see it, the answer is clear my friend.


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post May 8 2023, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ May 8 2023, 08:29 AM)
This. However TS, I would go if there's no filial duty on your shoulder. you can always find new friends but not your parents. If your parents is already in good care (by another sibling ) then I would take the opportunity.
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I have migrated over to UK and brought my parents visit most of Europe. Iceland, Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands, Latvia, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland etc

Something they would not do on their own, and very happy to get to travel. My sibling is taking care of them but I provide financially

Before covid they come visit 3-4 months each year, but these days I travel back instead (no longer that keen to travel due to age)
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ May 8 2023, 06:27 AM)
Is groceries really cheaper compared to Malaysia. Like say if I buy chicken, eggs etc. Because I still think those things are cheap in Malaysia but in Britain, it's expensive especially after the price hike.

Well. Public Hospital is also cheap so.

I really still do not buy that supermarket in UK is cheaper but of course you can give me actual real life example. Wages in UK supermarket is more expensive. I dunno. And also I think with worldwide food shortages, food prices is probably increasing. But I do not see this so much over here.
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https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compa...patchComparison

Rice (white), (1kg) 6.12 RM
(1.09 £) 10.78 RM
(1.92 £) +76.0 %

Eggs (regular) (12) 8.19 RM
(1.46 £) 17.03 RM
(3.03 £) +107.9 %

Chicken Fillets (1kg) 18.32 RM
(3.26 £) 39.53 RM
(7.04 £) +115.7 %

Average prices for those items in UK are approx doubled after conversion. However, average salary is approx tripled after conversion

Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax) 5,647.98 RM
(1,005.99 £) 17,700.44 RM
(3,152.71 £) +213.4 %

To me, it is cheaper because I spend less % of my salary on groceries
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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ May 8 2023, 03:30 PM)
I have migrated over to UK and brought my parents visit most of Europe. Iceland, Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands, Latvia, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland etc

Something they would not do on their own, and very happy to get to travel. My sibling is taking care of them but I provide financially

Before covid they come visit 3-4 months each year, but these days I travel back instead (no longer that keen to travel due to age)
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Just curious, how long did it take you to become financially stable and able to afford going back home (Malaysia) often?
I am kinda stuck financially because we just moved to Germany a year ago and I easily send back 600-800€ monthly to clear off my debt from initial expenses we have in my Credit Card and my wife's cry.gif
I wanna save up at least 3000€ annually so we can fly back to visit the family every summer. At least that's the goal so my kids will be able to catch up with their cousins and relatives sad.gif
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QUOTE(xajimx @ May 8 2023, 03:49 PM)
Just curious, how long did it take you to become financially stable and able to afford going back home (Malaysia) often?
I am kinda stuck financially because we just moved to Germany a year ago and I easily send back 600-800€ monthly to clear off my debt from initial expenses we have in my Credit Card and my wife's  cry.gif
I wanna save up at least 3000€ annually so we can fly back to visit the family every summer. At least that's the goal so my kids will be able to catch up with their cousins and relatives  sad.gif
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If have double income (wife working), should have no problem being stable. I have no kids so that is a difference. I lived in germany as well before (even got my Niederlassungserlaubnis). Germany I only got 55% of my gross pay after deductions, but in UK I get closer to 67%

But to answer your question, should not be more than 1 year
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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ May 8 2023, 06:00 AM)
I too scared open window, I live on ground floor and my window opens directly to dark back alley where people normally sell and consume drugs before night out

Hell I’ve done the same back there lol
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if its not safe, why are you still staying there? people can break the window climb in taking everything away with them.
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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ May 8 2023, 06:00 AM)
I too scared open window, I live on ground floor and my window opens directly to dark back alley where people normally sell and consume drugs before night out

Hell I’ve done the same back there lol
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