Saw in news the new altis will have torsion beam instead of double wishbone rear suspension in Taiwan

Anybody had experience with Toyota torsion beam? How’s the ride?

Sucks to see it happening TBH. Mazda 3 torsion beam was already bad.

If torsion beam is indeed coming to malaysia, Honda civic will be the undisputed king in this segment

This post has been edited by imceobichi: Apr 26 2023, 12:57 PM

ride on this tnga marketing and then turn back to torsion beam

toyoda = daihatsu

inb4 placebo effect je

Corolla Cross also pakai rear torsion beam

Toyota use modern and hi tech TNGA (Tak Nak Geely Auto) platform.

Mazda 3 use similanjiao platform? Same as Mazda 6? More than 10 year old d old like sohai like that.

Altis is cheaper and better than mASSda 3. You buy it for RM160k, less hp than civic and less rv than altis. Whoever buy it is tai lan ngong.

Why TS worry, here is the headline from "confirmed" Pauline car review.
Altis 2023, two thumbs up....bla bla.... using torsion beam. 5/5 stars

Cost cutting, so why not?
Salah ke?

whats wrong with torsion beam ?

drive altis not ask u drive like tokyo drift

some people are gonna come in and say no difference...u can tune a torsion beam to perform the same as multilink or wishbone






ya right

sounds like toyota's accountants won.

lol pedestrian drivers A to B bread & butter car, what does it matter

following mazda?

But it's more HP that TOYota and has a better transmission than TOYota. What else is better in Mazda 3 you ask? Let me list down.

Better looking interior.
Stylish.
More accessories.
Better soundproofing.
Better material quality.

Buying a Toyota nowadays is literally buying a Perodua except for the price. Those who say torsion beam is as good has never sat on a good double wishbone or multi link car.

I stopped trusting local car reviews.

Looked at those YouTubers in langkawi Vios test drive, all blow until this new vios rides like the bmw 3 series in terms of traction, cornering etc

face looks kinda retarded

Still got ppl see toyota?

no wonder my mom prefer to ride on my preve than her honda city...

Mana boleh say bad review. Later no give car to media, no content no views and no money. So all cars will have good/great reviews one.

You will be praising toison beam if umw prices it below 110k

But the petrol consumption is shit with campro…heavy

Gearbox also lauzy

The smaller brother even worse.

indeed...she prefers preve for long highway drive, felt stable, sound proofing is better, and prcatically cannot feel those road bumps..

but fuel consumption, honda city wins la

This was their advertising before this…when they still not offer VSC/TSE

also coorect lol..my preve already problematic, but still can drive around at high speed...just counting days until it breaks down

DNGA... Desihn by Daihatsu. Soon, Toyota will bcm a rebadge company like cough cough.... Protton.... Cough

It depends also whether you got do maintenance or not…the bearing, engine mounting, driveshalf, suspension are not forever long lasting

Please la 2023 stop talking about handling or 3 cylinder and all that. Everyone still retarded cannot drive at all. Give ya all multilink or 4 cylinder for what? Ya all still gonna cause accidents. Cannot even pass the 5 star safety BY YOURSELVES since death trap Myvi first existed and wanna talk about better power and better handling. Malu la wei.

Yeah, if priced as such or even below 130k, I will praise umw till the sky

Why not change new car now? At least you still can trade in while it has value

Someone please tag that Toyota SA ktard.

They cari makan je

You lose if you take them serious

multi link > torsion beam

Designed by Daihatsu

To me, all current Toyota cars also suck balls.

Feels like they just gave up.

dont like, dont buy, apa susah

It looks ugly because the car is designed to look great from an angle of 45

LOL

if you buy car, sure will see
1. engine
2. gearbox
3. platform

de mah

kek altis

interior design like meh, even previous gen civic or mazda 3 looks better

corolla altis != corolla in japan

This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Apr 26 2023, 01:43 PM

But no drillz?

Some of you damn funny la. Macam la you can sense the miniscule difference between torsion beam and multi-link. I doubt you can feel the 'underwhelmed' performance of torsion beam in your typical drive, unless you whack corner every single time. It's not about the suspension alone, chassis play an important role in the ride quality department too.

My wife just replaced hers with Cross. Fuck, the ride was surprisingly composed in high speed and cornering. I dare say as good as my old Accord already. Heck, its relatively more pleasant and comfortable (ok la SUV/crossover ma).

Yes torsion beam are found in cheap cars but if sufficient engineering involved, torsion beam can also be tuned as close as multi-link behavior. Large sedan cars can accommodate multi-link cos it takes lots of space so there's a slight compromise between interior space and ride quality for compact/sub-compact segments.

Toyota corolla using dnga? Really? You sure?

Current altis using tnga-c platform right

They are different

Proton rebadging Geely = upgrade = higher "price to performance" ratio

Toyota rebadging Daihatsu = downgrade = lower "price to performance" ratio

designed by daihatsu too?

if do rally not recomemnded

Doesn't make any difference.....

the downside of torsion beam, when left and right is on uneven surface, you will bounce a lot.

multi link is still much more superior in my accord.

If torsion beam is so good then why didnt toyota use it in their Camry and new Alphard?

can you accept lower level chip in your new mobile phone?

you can see new vios already go to DNGA + Myvi drivetrain

nothing to be surprised if Corolla Altis moving towards to same direction [especially current rumors saying it moved to torsion beam]

especially Altis was mainly targetting SEA and taiwan market only

This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Apr 26 2023, 01:42 PM

Type of suspension makes no difference for normal daily driving from point A to B....

Suspension type do make a difference in racing but it's only one of the factors. It's the overall car package that's important.

Not for iphone users

Owai

That actually has to do with suspension stiffness, damping factor and arb.... Not type of suspension. Be it torsion beam, double wishbone or multi-link, all are highly susceptible to bouncing on uneven surface.

Even protong put in multi link beam in x90 even tho the original Geely design does not

knn, i didn't said torsion beam is good standalone. Chassis is also important. You go ask Toyota la. But my estima aeras has been using torsion beam setup too. Not trying to say its good - in fact its not - ride is comfortable but floating feel. So again chassis + suspension if setup with proper engineering, everyday drive would be sufficient too.

if you use just facebook and whatsapp, any fucking phone is good for you.

But the floating feel it's not because it's torsion beam... It's because the suspension is not firm enough.

The mark of a good suspension is where you don't "feel" the suspension

It's just is.

If can feel good means still subpar

Mostly doesn't exist.... Suspensions are tuned for certain speed and weight range... Only active suspensions can have precise control. Most suspensions are passive.

magic carpet come with magic maintenance

like airmatic

Torsion Beam vs Multi-link

for those who refused to believe that there's a difference between the 2.

basically, torsion beam is a form of compromise which means if the manufacturer gives you torsion beam then they better well give you something else in return.

If you say like that, Then why still use FWD platform if AWD is more superior?

derp

nahh, my current preve alos underutilize..i ride more than i drive bought the car on 2015, mileage just hit 74k last month

at home still got honda city and innova already...might change the innova to vellfire or kia grand carnival though

Nothing wrong with Torsion Beam. It is a cheaper setup than multi-link i.e. more profits to the manufacturer.

To average consumers, will they know the difference?

no doubt multi link is better than torsion beam, but at low corner speed, i doubt anyone would felt the different, more so if it's a passager car


chassis and suspension set up will contribute more "solid" feeling

Because transverse fwd (ff) is cheaper than FR or AWD. If they put torsion beam then it's even cheaper LOL.

Tagging Jedi to come defend maruah Mazda for using torsion beam in Mazda3

lol, what for bro...we are not talking to a bunch of petrolheads, to them torsion beam renault megane, mazda torsion beams are the basic shit torsion beams anyway.

if u dont know fuck about mazda 3 torsion beam, then dont tokok

2023 should be talking about flying cars

Ancient engine and gearbox

People buy Toyota for the RV.

What more want to say?

It's all about suspension design and refinement of the design.

Even whack corner also hard to feel. People here in lowyat are not pro racers. And then stock suspension are designed to let you tear up the track. Alot more work is needed. Suspension is just one of the many factors.

Most people don't even know that Chevrolet Cruze actually won wtcc which is FF and torsion beam... Beat Hondas, beat bmw, beat merc etc... One key component is possibly use of watts-link for it's torsion beam.

Another thing is that even in sepang race, there are vios and altis which performed very well... It's the driver, not the car.

This post has been edited by bengm2019: Apr 27 2023, 07:37 AM

The previous Vios, one local YouTubers old guys said it drive very well to Genting. Fed up with local car reviewer. All just play safe by giving fake review.

In the end all give fake review. That why lowyat car club section is the best

Because the SEA customer always get a rip off car features and had to ask car reviewer to give fake review to said torsion beam is the best. If it Honda, prepare for cut cost, cheapskate sound insulation materials

Corolla got double wishbone rear suspension meh??

Not multi-link rear suspension ka?

the difference is actually rather obvious so I would argue yes unless of course such person has never driven a car with rear suspension other than torsion beam then no.

the problem with many people is that they think suspension only takes effect during a "corner", that is a misconception. the effect of a different suspension set up can easily be felt driving through an uneven road (even if it's a long-straight).

in fact, you can even feel it through a speed bump, after the rear tire has passed it.

from the article that u posted urself, multi vs torsion beam



tuning more important, not necessarily having multi link will be more comfort in road bum than torsion beam

This post has been edited by billy3336: Apr 27 2023, 10:02 AM

Need to personally try baru tau.

If they can engineered in a way which comfort and performance rivals those multi link setup then good, else just pure cost cutting measure.

theoretically, more hard. good for handling but not good for comfort.

but less cost.

Perodua/Daihatsu DGNA is good.

Toyota always looking for cost reduction... kaizen... soon altis also come with no spare tyres... for better Quality and improve the car speed... that is what they will tell you...haha

many forgot most of the best hothatches are using torsion.

Sales man will say

You want all feature go buy Lexus laaa
Opps you no money to buy that car right

Shut up and take what toyolta gives you!

It's cheaper to maintain for owners but it's not comfortable in Malaysia where the quality of roads are usually bad or too many speed bumps

everything cut cost and increasing price nowadays...

after all the hype from reviewers about on Vios,
I go test drive last week. CB the whole car float like sampan and the engine gutless. struggle to overtake on highway ramp.
Maderfaker YS khong dont know get paid how much to praise this shit.

news from Taiwan website (quite confirmed)
https://news.u-car.com.tw/news/article/7467...Yss73bVKUKXqWBE

used torsion beam [扭力樑後懸吊]


only hybrid n GR model retain double wishbone

https://www.toyota.com.tw/showroom/ALTIS/#equipment



This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Apr 27 2023, 12:55 PM

The best hot hatch on the planet (Corolla GR Sport) uses double wishbone rear suspension, so does the Yaris GR.