O boy. Everytime I hear someone only owning 85mm f1.8 or tele lens, I assume u took advice from someone that say that is the focal length to get for portrait with nicest "bokeh", am I right?

I think u miss out on a lot of things just thinking of bokeh all time. Most impactful portrait shot is with wide angle lens, IMO.

But again it's ur money. Since u already own canon lens, then better stick with canon R plus adapter for the lens.

Yeah haha

As usual that lens is being propagated as cheapest and best portrait lens

Which wide angle lens you suggest?
11-22mm canon?

It is still the best portrait lens for that price. I've owned that lens before speedboosted to my XT20 a few years back. But speedbooster and adapters are pain to use especially when you adapt lens of different system to the body.

This canon lens is variable aperture, your exisiting Tokina 11-16 f2.8 is already the best for your system as i've already said.


Haha, even if I never own a FF camera in my entire life, I won't regret. At this point in time, I have no desire to move up to FF. I want to upgrade my editing skills instead, such as Dodge and burn and color grading. They will truely make a difference our photos.

As long as I get the focal length I want in apsc, the composition doesn't matter. Bokeh is overated, especially for me as a studio portrait shooter, I always stopped down to get deeper depth of field. Wider wide is true la, my widest is 12mm (which is 18mm FF equivalent). I wish it can be a bit wider for my milkway shots sometimes, but seldom shoot milkways these days. As for bragging right, this one I have to give it to you.

The two thing that FF attracts me is the dynamic range and the low noise at higher iso capability. By the way, just so you know, the RP has excellent high iso noise despite it's dynamic range is bad.

Canon color science is better for portrait, especially the skin tones. That was the reason why I've switched from Sony to fujifilm. And yes, being a portrait shooter, I was wanting the Canon R6. The fujifilm has nice skintones also, but Canon AF is way superior.

This post has been edited by Loseeker: Apr 12 2023, 12:36 AM

If its due to budget and your capacity at that time, then bravo and no regrets. I think taking the first step in getting any ILC camera even with kit lenses is a good stepping stone. Beginners shouldn't feel pressured to drop RM simply with just prospect that later they 'might' want to continue the path of upgrading.

If you wanna upgrade later, can always do it step by step ie trade in lenses first one by one before eventually getting the dream camera body you want. However, everything is a compromise and the concept of diminishing returns becomes even more apparent for higher quality gears...

Who knows, one day if durian collapses I might splurge also. Hehehe

I think EF lens is not more expensive during that time.

I was thinking more like the equivalent lenses to the 11-16mm and 17-50mm f2.8 lenses that you mentioned. The full frame lenses of those focal lengths and fixed apertures are quite a bit more money I think. Even the f4L zooms are quite a bit more than the EFS ones.

If you mean in general that there are cheap EF lenses then yes. Then I would say your intention to transition to full frame wouldn't be difficult if you don't intend to get the full frame versions of your existing lenses anyway. Nothing wrong there, maybe when one gets more experience, one might find their photography niche and can survive with only a few prime lenses that fit their needs....

There are actually many good old ef lenses like the 28-135mm old ef lens that still go for quite a good price even though its such an old lens and variable aperture. The trick is finding a good condition one cause I think none are serviceable.

Or even the older 35mm f2 lens and 28mm f1.8 have pretty decent reviews... But they still go for quite a bit considering their age. The 28mm still goes for RM1k+ in the 2nd hand market.

What you say is correct also. For fast lens, EF lens will cost a lot.

Yeah, I think will just use efs lens with FF body until I become more pro

As I said before, upgrade to FF body only if you have the money to get FF lenses also. It's really a waste of money to use apsc lens on FF body. You may arque that you use that money to buy FF body and use apsc lens first and then once you can afford you get the FF lenses. You know, canon pump out new body all the times, and price drop. If you get the RP now, by the time you afford the FF lenses, the RP most likely will drop even further, or there are new options for you by then.

Other than that, as I've already told you, using apsc lens on FF body, you will have auto crop or Vignetting. 1) Auto crop resulted in drop in megapixel. The megapixel count will be less than using the lens on the Apsc body. 2) If you disabled the auto crop, you will have vignetting on all your images. You will end up have to crop them anyway, which again reduce the megapixel count, what is the point, bro ? If shooting images with vignetting is your style of photography then I rest my case.


If you still want to go ahead and get the RP and use apsc lenses on it, you go ahead. It is a waste of money and resources. Just my 2 cents.

I think eos r8 is eos RP and eos r replacement

No worries

I already check

Disable cropping

Tokina 16mm no vignetting (11 to 15mm got vignetting)

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This post has been edited by vapanel: Apr 13 2023, 06:28 PM

Nope. Got myself fuji xt30 and tt artisan 50mm f1.2. Feel good enough as I still learning

1. Do remember if you're talking about Canon EF-S lenses specifically, you will not be able to mount it on a FF EF camera (like a 5D) due to an extra protruding black plastic piece on the mount. It is due to the back lens element going slightly further far back which will touch the mirror of a full frame camera. For example the Canon EF-S 10-18MM STM lens or the Canon EF-S 17-55MM F2.8 lens CANNOT be mounted on a 5D camera.

2. If you use these lenses with an EF-RF adapter, then mounting it albeit crop mode on an EOS RF camera is possible.

3. 3rd party brands like Tamron, Sigma, Tokina do not have this and you can mount them on a FF EF camera but with various serious vignetting issues which can be solved with crop mode.

i have both FF and APSC (5D and M50)

end up using the m50 90% of the time while 5D just sleep in drybox

smaller lens & lighter body makes my life easier and nobody gives a fuk if your pics are shot on FF or APSC

and since u shooting jpeg, u are not even utilizing the full potential of the sensors lol

and dont bother with lens booster, u do get additional F-Stop but corner sharpness and distortion can be quite bad if you use wide angle lens

The problem is 5D mah.

If you got EOS RP or EOS R8, you will straight throw M50 to rubbish bin.

I think EOS M is Canon biggest screw up.

I suspect also.

Any added optic sure degrade one. Just like putting teleconverter

By the way, any recommendations for adapter for skywatcher telescope?

I also agree eos m is pretty stupid move by canon. But currently it's the only mirror less canon apsc camera that has third party lens from the likes of sigma. Also people who bought into eos m is not going spend much anyway so it's not much of sacrifice since canon R lineup doesn't even allow 3rd party cheap lens

However for new buyers..... Don't buy into eos m now.

Btw, since u so budget conscious, I don't think canon in their current state is right for u unless u got existing canon dslr lens.

This post has been edited by TrialGone: Apr 20 2023, 09:54 AM

I got some cheap stuff in Canon

1000d
Tokina 11-16 2.8
Tamron 17-50 2.8
Canon 85 1.8
Canon FD 50mm
Flash di622

Edited:
I still remember when EOS M come out, I also got feeling Canon just come out with EOS M halfheartedly to join mirrorless. So I just ignore.

And you are right. EOS R third party is shameful.

This post has been edited by vapanel: Apr 20 2023, 10:06 AM

If u already have those lens then just go canon. U only need to spend a bit more on the official adapter.

But I still suggest to jump out of canon if possible cause unless u r professional photographer, canon system is kinda stupid for budget user.

Give u example, they released R series Apsc sensor. But they don't have proper prime apsc lens at all. And to make it worse, no 3rd party lens allowed. Wtf canon?

This post has been edited by TrialGone: Apr 20 2023, 12:41 PM

Ya I also contemplating of leaving

Those I have can be easily replicated with better Sony lens and with IBIS

My target is moving to Sony