the G-variant for the new Toyota Vios is around RM96k and for the fun of it, i just went to Honda Malaysia's (HM) website and check out the pricing/specification for the Honda City (because everyone seems to praise the latter) and it appears that for a comparatively equally spec'd vehicle, the Honda City is priced +/- RM95k, which is just RM1k lesser.

so the question is, why the hate on the Vios being the "unworthy" one

its cabin don't look like axia

and it don't have myvi engine

ada H ada amoi, rule of thumb

also vtec >all

This post has been edited by MegaCanonF: Mar 30 2023, 03:48 PM

Fixed.

Probably because vios used to be the bang for buck Toyota. Now it's tickling 100k price point. A lot of tech is quite unnecessary and the design is too complicated for car usually brought to pasar and short commute.

Honda city is for people want to feel different. Honestly i don't see the difference, but I stopped caring about Honda after testing their City and realised it's damn fucuking loud in the cabin when you drive a bit fast. I dunno if they bothered fixing it. This was 10 years ago. I still look at Honda City cars and think "ew" after my experience.

i thought the engine was made by Daihatsu and Perodua had some sort of reciprocal agreement/arrangement with Daihatsu for sharing of R&Ds?

people buy toyota to be expect all part from toyota but new vios is using perodua part. so the exclusive and proud of toyota is gone. why but toyota when the car is perodua ?? better call it vios perodua and sell at RM50k

so it is a myvi engine

city and almera has a stretched body
thus rear passenger space is better than vios or mazda2

yeah man used to be lowest spec HRV and Altis can be had for that price

everything was a "bang for the buck" many moons ago - but the point is, its closest competitor (Honda City) around priced around that margin so it's not like the Vios is has a "harga yahudi" right?

the declining sale in C and D segment sedans basically reduces the market demographic to either a compact one (B-segment) or straight up SUV. my understanding is perhaps they packing features that would otherwise only be found in C/D segments into the B segment so that they can still maintain market share?

i've stopped caring about Honda since i sold way my 9th generation Accord. They make good cars but i can't seem to wrap my head around the majority of the people praising the City over the new Vios though.

myvi engine = sampah

UMW kedekut

ada honda, ada awek, owaii

when tekan bunyi je laju?

vios looks damn ugly

i see, part sharing it is but what are the things that are in the Vios that were exclusively designed and manufactured by Perodua in-house?

huh?

with that logic, the extinct A180 hatch is a Renault car?

itu bunyi bukan kareneh CVT ke?

see that engine vios has, not even speeding, from reviews , like 50-80km/h je , already have cvt roaring noise

also small back seats, no foldable, small boot

totally defeat the purpose of buying a sedan

Have you test-driven both? That might give you the answer you're looking for. The City simply drives better - Acceleration & handling, although both have similar specs. Vios has better FC though.

And don't forget the one people are actually referring to, City RS. Yes more expensive, but a much better car overall.

next thread open Iphone vs Android ya, don't say limbei no payung

96k I rather get x50nfull spec

but but but k said it drinks petrol like water, once fuel subsidy gone will upcar

Top up cikit get civic

i think the seats and boot space is comparable but the non-foldable back seats, that's the Achilles heel.

from my test drive, i notice the CVT noise also intrudes when i suddenly floored the accelerator but it's no different than any other CVTs if it was a gradual acceleration though.

Yes, i have - i don't find the City being necessarily superior than the new Vios in terms of handling/performance, if at all, they are almost on equal grounds but i do noticed that the sound insulation in the City is bad and the cabin space "feels" hollow.

City RS is already above RM100k bang, where can bring that into comparison?

hearsay you need to buy 2 x50s and keep one to be as spare parts depot?

also, fuel economy is shiet (tak tahu benar ke tak).

might as well top up a bit more and get 218i.

The truth is new Vios is superior than City in every way.

If u have test driven it, u will know. I use grab car a lot, sat in vios and city many times, the city feels like an empty tin kosong feeling and the ride is harsh and noisy! Vios feels like 1 segment higher car, it feels nicer and quiet and and less bumpy ride. The cabin feels more solid.

Base on fact sheet
X50 6.5l/100km
Vios 5.3l/100km

Let's assume 200,000km life cycle
X50 will consume 13000L petro
Vios will consume 10600L petro

Different of 2,400l petro
Let's say average price RM 3.22/l without govt subsidized
The different of RM7,728 only
For let's say 8-10 years drive, just RM772/ year extra

I rather take x50 still

As i said, Perodua Vios

because u actually pay for ativa cabin with myvi engine

i don't think it's "1-segment higher" because i can still very obviously feel that it's a B-segment vehicle but with better perceived quality (of even built quality). that leatherette and stitching along the dashboard IS the center piece.

the new VIOS is also quite bumpy actually, i think Toyota tuned the suspension to ride a little bit more firm but it is acceptable.

i can agree with you the City at times do feel like a "tin kosong", it is very "hollow" for some odd reasons that i cannot point out.

so fast already got new vios used as grab? wow
I always take grab mostly bezza, alza, myvi, alza, saga only

each to its own i guess, the x50 is for people who wants a crossover/suv and sedans are still for people who generally enjoy driving a bit more. no right or wrong answer.

my curiosity is just that i cannot fathom why so many people bashing the new Vios left and right and suddenly named the City the better competitor when both of them are equally as good for its purpose.

Anything come frm UMW is becoming sampah

the Ativa is a rebadged Daihatsu Rocky bang - just because Perodua has it in their line up, doesn't make it theirs.

in be4 myvi engine

comparing FC SUV with Sedan

majority of /k are idiots anyway

just test drive and buy whichever you like

anyway both cars also sampah to me

But real ppl test
X50 = 9-10 l/100km
Vios = 7.2 l/100km

So petrol difference 5600 liter for 200k
@3.22 the cost is 18k
10 years yearly extra 1.8k

Not the 2023 vios, previous vios.

I once sat in mazda 2 as grab car.

Bezza, axia, saga are very common grab cars.

Ya SUV is the trend now

Before I don't like SUV, now I love em

People are not evaluating it on its own merit. People are bitching about the DGNA non stop. I would say those who have a problem with it should just drive Myvis and Bezza, that way your mind will be at easy cause you are driving a "vios" with different skin. Win

Posting in biased perceptions tered. Just like ifag vs droidfag tereds.

This shit will never end.

Buy whatever better suits your needs, not based on reviews of others.

people talking about the latest vios, you talk old vios for mat 7

can you don't sohai or not

people who like honda only know how to see spec on paper only. on paper more powerful 20% but on real life yes it is noticeable but perhaps 5% only

go test drive both then only comment

p/s: new vios quite sucks la

did you pull this shit out from your ass?

City:

- No blindspot monitor (sorry guys, LaneWatch is shit)
- No 360 camera
- Cao ah beng look

Still sells. Why? Coz ada H ada awek

That vios steering look exact like myvi punya steering.

Can't accept it.

Vios can't fold backseat + no spare tire ... aiyo... if no spare at least use RFT... no wo... both also tarak

Sei sohai ham kachan

If previous vios can tapao City, i m sure the new vios will do so too.

Yeah the new gen is a big miss for me personally. The outgoing gen is a much better value proposition going up against City. So now City sales will be even better, Honda Malaysia thanks Toyota for their service

if they give u RFT ..good luck when replacing tyre

and RFT will very noisy (no matter what brand) + Vios NVH = OK

Toyota macam shoot own foot no idea... prev gen better than curren gen

earlier dy posted.

buy honda city saja.

no wonder your standard proton x50 only

the effects of globalization - vehicles meant for the masses are all related to each other one way or another (given how big corporates are buying each other nowadays).

if parts sharing (and the good ones) enable manufacturers to bring down the costs of production for cars (eg: not the purchase price but same price with more features) then it's a win-win for consumers.

so the conclusion is, am i right to say that people are bitching about how inferior the Vios is to the City was mainly because they think they could have bought a "Vios" at a much lower price (ie: Ativa, Bezza, Myvi etc) and is not actually based on merits?

From p***tan

I did my reseach






This post has been edited by munak991: Mar 30 2023, 05:20 PM

i look down at whoever retard driving the new vios

Yup its a perception problem. But why didn't people see from a positive light ? See X50 struggle with parts.
If DGNA share parts with different models, won't spare parts be easily available and price will not be high due to scarcity ?

Vios ugly. Small size.

can even walk in to Perodua's SC to buy parts kan?

err... looks are subjective and how large are you? i'm 5'11" and have no problem getting a nice driving position in the Vios but the rear though, cannot styled hair.

This post has been edited by shaniandras2787: Mar 30 2023, 05:29 PM

both cars are very similar with slightly different pros and cons. just buy whichever you prefer

but most people dont look at spec sheet pon.
my family prefer toyota and perodua because they are the least problematic, my father bought mercedes, many problem and parts expensive, so sell it,buy honda accord, got problem (engine related). all we want were just cars that works.

last time i even ask father to look at tiguan when he is seeking for SUV, straight away kena reject because bad experience that his friends had, so resort to cr-v. but unlucky enough, that those cr-v got issue with water pump and some issue that i cant remember.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Mar 30 2023, 05:33 PM

Last time when you drive Myvi is like driving Toyota... now is Toyota copied Perodua design... u feel proud of driving a Toyota meh? hahaha

so you did pull this out from your ass

i am a fan of daihatsu more than toyota.
toyota raize and new vios is just an example when daihatsu were given trust to make a more expensive car, i think they excel it.

what if next time toyota ask daihatsu design team to make corolla and ch-r?

Always think Honda has better and modern outlook.

toyolta the best

i need to disagree, new raize, axia, vios are all good looker when compared to honda city design. but then again this is pretty much subjective

2020 Civic was peak Honda.
But the City with the front big chrome lining ...erm ...not so much.

you call this Vios good looking? my god.
looks damn ugly man, especially the headlight area

huh?

Toyota copied Perodua ke or it's the other way around?

I read that most of Perodua's vehicles' R&D were from Daihatsu and Toyota owned Daihatsu - somehow Toyota bought Daihatsu and relegated them the duty to R&D affordable cars meant for the masses. Daihatsu has shares in Perodua - that's why there's a need for them to distinguish between DNGA and TNGA.

Just because Perodua selling rebadged cars, doesn't mean Perodua owns the design in and out.

This post has been edited by shaniandras2787: Mar 30 2023, 05:48 PM

i think Honda Jerung was the actual peak of Honda's design

I copied this line from pauline, apart from the same engine, chassis and DCVT gearbox, even the steering wheel, gear level and instrument panel also same.

Almost 80% same like Perodua but paying for premium price, mind u langkawi price is RM84k for G spec and the tax and excise duty is around RM11k.

Honda is well known for their engine, Toyota is well known for the comfortness, but now Toyota Vios is mixing up big time with Perodua and do not have segregation of class at all.

i already said its subjective. you dont agree also correct what.

also have you see the car infront of you? i dont see any issue with the headlight design at all.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Mar 30 2023, 05:53 PM

Inb4 Mazda2

Owai

look at the new vios, price almost hit 100k liao then look what shit they did
~ no spare tire >> come on la, u expect we tow it everytime it pancit?
~ rear seat are fixed >> imagine u wanna get small furniture and it is slightly bigger than boot length, gg spoil mood la
~ engine downgrade / degrade? aiyo, i really cannot brain this

now look at the price again ~ straight no appetite

the question that i asked prior when someone raised the point that the new Vios copies Perodua's design (namely the Myvi) is that, were these parts design found in the Myvi actually been designed wholly and solely by Perodua or Perodua nicked it from Daihatsu and with some "nip-and-tuck", called it their own?

the reason i'm asking this is because the Daihatsu Rocky/Raize already had a steering design very similar to the one found in the new Vios.

if i'm not mistaken, the Daihatsu Rocky was launched first and then followed by the Raize and then Perodua rebadged it and called it "Ativa".

i agree with you on this though - the car actually look better in metal than in pictures/videos, it somehow got skewed in the latter.

harga yahudi from something that was made in 2015

1) kan ada fix a flat tire repair kit;
2) no foldable rear seat, ini i agree - tak boleh tolong Toyota; and
3) engine mana ada downgrade?

Top up a bit and get Mazda 3 or CX30.

Mazda 2 is due for update.

1) so you just compromise this stupid kit over spare tire? toyota able to put 4 pieces of 17 inch performance tires yet couldn't even provide a damn spare tire hahahaha (save cost? otak mana?)
2) speechless
3) try compare the old and new engine spec , looks so cacat

City or vios? Mazda 2 way better

cannot keep "topping up" like that la.... otherwise Merc C-class alreadyt.

let me school you a bit:-

1) the spare tire is to reduce weight (save cost partly) but mainly to save weight which is why the new Vios' acceleration speed has increase despite having a little bit less HP and torque;

3) how cacat? 1HP less and 2NM less torque? - elaborate a bit la bang.

everything in life is a compromise and you cannot have it all unless you have enough money to waste (which i believed you do not). you win some, you lose some.

Your head sure hit the roof at the back seat. Small size car sell at yahudi price. Not worth the money

Persona >> City & Vios

skip sajala

either just get new alza or jump straight to hrv/civic/corolla cross etc

Okay u actually pay for Daihatsu rocky and myvi. Daihatsu rocky is still cheap car in japan anyway

New vios majority parts are perodua especially the engine and transmission is exactly myvi model...

It no longer toyota but daihatsu product

becos only mehsian rike Honda

Those taking max year loans really can't afford it and should be concern about FC, Tyres and other maintenance.

Else, if can afford 100K vehicle, shouldn't be too concern about current fuel price and rumours

Thats previous years. Nowdays still problem?

But in reality, it is available here and now.

Am driving a DNGA-B, Myvi engined, DCVT new car almost 30K less than the Vios.

Can't run away from public perception that UMW overpriced its unit.

lmao this fella again..

from that day keep open tered to validate his vios 2023 purchase, but he didnt get what he wanted tered backfired instead.

even though people give valid points why the 2023 vios sucks, but he still will defend kaw2.

so what exactly you want TS? you feeling buyers remorse ka?

ok la vios 2023 very jenggg. mantap bosskur, enjoice your new car je la steady bom pi pi

This post has been edited by Optizorb: Mar 30 2023, 10:22 PM

The argument here isn't about how the new VIOS is better than b4 but it goes back to your big main title of the thread which is "VIOS vs CITY"

So in that sense, you are compromising all the shit just to get the VIOS over City? hahaha, i guess only super hardcord toyota fanboy would do that

for CITY >>
at least i can still get it at below 80k
at least i can still have the option to choose for spare tire
at least the rear seat aren't cacat

so everything in life isn't a compromise but it is a choice

for me,

toyota vios new one is OK. But most people will think you are getting a Myvi for the price of vios just for the brand toyota. The interior is definitely not 100k. Also do note that you are getting DNGA, not TNGA. We all know Europe gets the TNGA B platform for its GR Yaris, which will already be at a price of CBU mazda 3 when it reaches our shore (and people will get Mazda 3 hatch instead)

Honda City looks like a mini Beemer 3 series, the NVH, nobody really care la, I mean, its a freshgrad car for parents who think myvi is a tad too small or not enough future proof or want their children to have a better starter car. Its an all rounder

Mazda 2 is DOA for its price now esp the April 1st revision

Nissan Almera...needless to say la Tan Chong, Jatco and the underwear V shaped front

This post has been edited by Jedi: Apr 1 2023, 11:31 AM