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csbong87
post Apr 24 2023, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 24 2023, 09:50 PM)
First and foremost, to disclaim, this isn't legal advice. It's just for discussion purpose. Please consult a professional, if needed.

All things being equal, if the contents of the Offering Document (in this case an Information Memorandum) are as disclosed and transpired, the investor to bear the losses.

Then again, this isn't your usual cup of tea, as alleged by you, there is element of misrepresentation and government intervention.

Unless there are other developments, the situation you encounter now remains as "status quo".
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CIMB bank manager promise and say wont write down to zero, when we called him on the phone to liquidate that evening was 60 cents already.
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post Apr 24 2023, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(csbong87 @ Apr 24 2023, 09:59 PM)
CIMB bank manager promise and say wont write down to zero, when we called him on the phone to liquidate that evening was 60 cents already.
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Put it this way, if I don't see money in the bank, as the adage goes "money talks, bullshit walks".

Good luck in your recovery or claim, I will be watching this closely.
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post Apr 24 2023, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 24 2023, 10:17 PM)
Put it this way, if I don't see money in the bank, as the adage goes "money talks, bullshit walks".

Good luck in your recovery or claim, I will be watching this closely.
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post Apr 25 2023, 04:10 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 24 2023, 09:11 PM)
The term is used loosely here, there is a distinction between CIMB's RM and the fund house manager. In which case, the fault more likely lies with the former, which is the point I am driving at.
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Already mentioned earlier that is the CIMB Manager not the fund house manager as you didn’t read through 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 24 2023, 09:14 PM)
Indeed trustee takes instruction from the fund manager and pays a fee for the services rendered because the trustee does not have fund management knowledge / expertise.

As you have mentioned, the trustee is only to "hold and to protect the fund" what constitutes the fund is obviously the assets and the unit holders that are within it.
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The only action the trustee can take against the fund house is they deviate against the asset allocation stated deed nothing else 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(csbong87 @ Apr 24 2023, 09:26 PM)
when we want to liquidate the investment but the CIMB bank manager says to wait write up from AHAM but too late as FINMA already trigger write down. Who should bare losses ?
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You will have the bare losses no matter and they only thing they can recovered whatever left in the cash with any goodwill exit payment that is voluntarily top up by the fund house which is very low possibility

QUOTE(csbong87 @ Apr 24 2023, 09:59 PM)
CIMB bank manager promise and say wont write down to zero, when we called him on the phone to liquidate that evening was 60 cents already.
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In way he is right because the fund won’t write down to 0 but can bear losses 🤦‍♀️

That is why I stay away from UT a lot because you don’t have control with whatever decisions especially exit hence why when you invest in anything always plan your exit strategy if things go wrong
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post Apr 25 2023, 05:39 AM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 25 2023, 04:10 AM)
Already mentioned earlier that is the CIMB Manager not the fund house manager as you didn’t read through 🤦‍♀️
The only action the trustee can take against the fund house is they deviate against the asset allocation stated deed nothing else 🤦‍♀️
You will have the bare losses no matter and they only thing they can recovered whatever left in the cash with any goodwill exit payment that is voluntarily top up by the fund house which is very low possibility
In way he is right because the fund won’t write down to 0 but can bear losses 🤦‍♀️

That is why I stay away from UT a lot because you don’t have control with whatever decisions especially exit hence why when you invest in anything always plan your exit strategy if things go wrong
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It' a bond and purchase through CIMB Bank Malaysia and its bank manager guarantees customers that the principal is guaranteed. Unless if CIMB bank manager has follow proper procedures in selling (letting know customers that the bond can be written down to zero) than we might have second taught. Is misselling here that what Im trying to say as we are victims to the CIMB bank manager, and CIMB Malaysia must be responsible towards it's customers.

This post has been edited by csbong87: Apr 25 2023, 05:49 AM
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post Apr 25 2023, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(csbong87 @ Apr 25 2023, 05:39 AM)
It' a bond and purchase through CIMB Bank Malaysia and its bank manager guarantees customers that the principal is guaranteed. Unless if CIMB bank manager has follow proper procedures in selling (letting know customers that the bond can be written down to zero) than we might have second taught. Is misselling here that what Im trying to say as we are victims to the CIMB bank manager, and CIMB Malaysia must be responsible towards it's customers.
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Unless you have written legal binding guarantee from the bank manager you are not a victims in their eyes as they are doing their jobs 🤦‍♀️

1stly you got sucked into just by the bank manager as he has no right and power to guarantee as no one can guaranteed the principal other than issuer themselves 🤦‍♀️

This is a good lesson for you to learn that if you don’t understand don’t buy and don’t be greedy and get sucked into as there is nothing life is guaranteed other than taxes and death 🤦‍♀️
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post Apr 25 2023, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 25 2023, 07:15 AM)
Unless you have written legal binding guarantee from the bank manager you are not a victims in their eyes as they are doing their jobs 🤦‍♀️

1stly you got sucked into just by the bank manager as he has no right and power to guarantee as no one can guaranteed the principal other than issuer themselves 🤦‍♀️

This is a good lesson for you to learn that if you don’t understand don’t buy and don’t be greedy and get sucked into as there is nothing life is guaranteed other than taxes and death 🤦‍♀️
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Its a bond, and its CIMB Malaysia. Its called cheating as what AHAM and the bank manager present its different. Not any customer btw, is Preferred.
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post Apr 25 2023, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(csbong87 @ Apr 25 2023, 08:37 AM)
Its a bond, and its CIMB Malaysia. Its called cheating as what AHAM and the bank manager present its different. Not any customer btw, is Preferred.
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Doesn’t matter if it is bond or CIMB or whatever status you are 🤦‍♀️ in their eyes they are doing the job just that you are unlucky lamb

I don’t know whether you dumb or ignorant because you could have say no but you greed tempt you in just because you say yes because it is a bond and the manager tempt you and say principal guaranteed when he does not have the right or power to do it 🤦‍♀️ take it as a lesson and move otherwise you will be still bitter as you got no control even to sue 🤦‍♀️
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post Apr 25 2023, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 25 2023, 12:39 PM)
Doesn’t matter if it is bond or CIMB or whatever status you are 🤦‍♀️ in their eyes they are doing the job just that you are unlucky lamb

I don’t know whether you dumb or ignorant because you could have say no but you greed tempt you in just because you say yes because it is a bond and the manager tempt you and say principal guaranteed when he does not have the right or power to do it 🤦‍♀️ take it as a lesson and move otherwise you will be still bitter as you got no control even to sue 🤦‍♀️
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Again it's a bond, a bank CIMB and principal guaranteed as told by the bank manager.
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QUOTE(csbong87 @ Apr 25 2023, 03:14 PM)
Again it's a bond, a bank CIMB and principal guaranteed as told by the bank manager.
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Doesn’t matter if it is bond because bond is just lending paper to them while you are buying those papers 🤦‍♀️

Like I said CIMB and the bank manager cannot guaranteed because they do not issue the bonds 🤦‍♀️ Only Credit Suisse can tell you whether it is principal is guaranteed because they are issuers of those papers 🤦‍♀️ seems like you are still in lala land thinking bond are guarantee while it is not 🤦‍♀️ as you have not learnt the lesson


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post Apr 25 2023, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(csbong87 @ Apr 25 2023, 05:39 AM)
It' a bond and purchase through CIMB Bank Malaysia and its bank manager guarantees customers that the principal is guaranteed. Unless if CIMB bank manager has follow proper procedures in selling (letting know customers that the bond can be written down to zero) than we might have second taught. Is misselling here that what Im trying to say as we are victims to the CIMB bank manager, and CIMB Malaysia must be responsible towards it's customers.
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A lot of these Branch Managers and RMs are just simply pushing all forms of products without fully explaining the risks. Last few years, I have heard of uncles and aunties being sold equity linked Glove stocks, China tech stocks. All kena burn.

About time some people make these bankers accountable.

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Apr 25 2023, 03:32 PM)
A lot of these Branch Managers and RMs are just simply pushing all forms of products without fully explaining the risks. Last few years, I have heard of uncles and aunties being sold equity linked Glove stocks, China tech stocks. All kena burn.

About time some people make these bankers accountable.
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Must be SI products 🤦‍♀️ they won’t be accountable so as long as the regulator’s doesn’t take any action 🤦‍♀️ hence why such product is still in the markets for those financial illiterates

Only you can see action on Leverage and Inverse products as one have to fulfill the conditions of Sophisticated Investor in order for them to purchase those products
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post Apr 25 2023, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Apr 25 2023, 03:32 PM)
A lot of these Branch Managers and RMs are just simply pushing all forms of products without fully explaining the risks. Last few years, I have heard of uncles and aunties being sold equity linked Glove stocks, China tech stocks. All kena burn.

About time some people make these bankers accountable.
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Ya, that particular CIMB branch has senior citizens some amounting to a million in this bond.
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post May 7 2023, 06:33 PM

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Quinn Emanuel said it is working with the following firms:
-- US – Wollmuth Maher & Deutsch;
-- UK – Keidan Harrison;
-- Singapore – Engelin Teh;
-- Gulf Cooperation Council – Global Advocacy and Legal Counsel; and
-- Switzerland – Geissbühler Weber & Partners.

https://www.wealthbriefing.com/html/article...84#.ZFd-W3ZBy3B
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post May 10 2023, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(csbong87 @ May 7 2023, 06:33 PM)
Quinn Emanuel said it is working with the following firms:
-- US – Wollmuth Maher & Deutsch; 
-- UK – Keidan Harrison;
-- Singapore – Engelin Teh;
-- Gulf Cooperation Council – Global Advocacy and Legal Counsel; and
-- Switzerland – Geissbühler Weber & Partners.

https://www.wealthbriefing.com/html/article...84#.ZFd-W3ZBy3B
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AHAM Capital joins global litigation to challenge Credit Suisse AT1 write-downs

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post May 12 2023, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(plc255 @ May 10 2023, 09:17 PM)
Just curious which are the banks in Malaysia which is also selling CS's bond other than CIMB ?
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post May 13 2023, 03:55 AM

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QUOTE(csbong87 @ May 12 2023, 08:03 PM)
Just curious which are the banks in Malaysia which is also selling CS's bond other than CIMB ?
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I don’t think directly there is for any Malaysian Banks

Even CIMB is not directly selling the CS bonds 🤦‍♀️ they are selling the bond fund that is from AHAM which manages and buying the bonds itself
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Rain or shine. Bankers and lawyers walk home with your money. laugh.gif

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...t-him-rm500000/
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post May 13 2023, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 13 2023, 04:30 PM)
Rain or shine. Bankers and lawyers walk home with your money. laugh.gif

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...t-him-rm500000/
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The 2 bond funds that got wiped was around RM70 ~ RM100m, depending on how you count it....
It had me wondering for a while that it cant be all just insti buying this, but rather must be some individual and surely some unfortunate one were losing more than others...
also a mere rm10k entry point surely quite some people kena...

Guess the news is slowly coming out...

Cross selling fund or insurance to FD uncle is surely quite profitable to the bankers.....
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post May 13 2023, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(plc255 @ May 13 2023, 04:35 PM)
The 2 bond funds that got wiped was around RM70 ~ RM100m, depending on how you count it....
It had me wondering for a while that it cant be all just insti buying this, but rather must be some individual and surely some unfortunate one were losing more than others...
also a mere rm10k entry point surely quite some people kena...

Guess the news is slowly coming out...

Cross selling fund or insurance to FD uncle is surely quite profitable to the bankers.....
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guess what ? our side mis sell the product saying a min RM 100k to purchase this bond.

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