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TSeggplants
post Mar 22 2023, 05:00 PM, updated 3y ago

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Any members here part of AHAM Capital or have invested with them?
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post Mar 22 2023, 05:03 PM

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post Mar 22 2023, 05:31 PM

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post Mar 22 2023, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(eggplants @ Mar 22 2023, 05:00 PM)
Any members here part of AHAM Capital or have invested with them?
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Any problem?

Or u want to know some of their products
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post Mar 22 2023, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(eggplants @ Mar 22 2023, 05:00 PM)
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No issue just stay away from their bonds only
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post Mar 22 2023, 08:41 PM

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post Mar 22 2023, 09:45 PM

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Are u referring to some bond series specifically? Otherwise not much of issue.

The bond currently suspended from trading but still accruing interest. Waiting to see what is their next step.

All bonds have this kind of risk.
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post Mar 23 2023, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(Cookie101 @ Mar 22 2023, 09:45 PM)
Are u referring to some bond series specifically? Otherwise not much of issue.

The bond currently suspended from trading but still accruing interest. Waiting to see what is their next step.

All bonds have this kind of risk.
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When the bond series suspended by AHAM it still has a nominal value of at least 30% value coupled with 15% of portfolio in cash hence it still have value of close to 50%

The next step is to claim back the nominal value from FINMA and CS only will only process the bond value either through swap or payoff from CS which only happens once the merger is completed by September
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post Mar 23 2023, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Mar 23 2023, 03:32 AM)
When the bond series suspended by AHAM it still has a nominal value of at least 30% value coupled with 15% of portfolio in cash hence it still have value of close to 50%

The next step is to claim back the nominal value from FINMA and CS only will only process the bond value either through swap or payoff from CS which only happens once the merger is completed by September
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Referring to the item in bold, how do you derive this values?

FINMA has indicated that the bond value for AT1 is write down to ZERO. Did FINMA say that the AT1 holders will get something??

https://www.ft.com/content/3f405e6d-d4a3-46...ba-3ec9cf4f7054
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post Mar 23 2023, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Mar 23 2023, 12:37 PM)
Referring to the item in bold, how do you derive this values?

FINMA has indicated that the bond value for AT1 is write down to ZERO. Did FINMA say that the AT1 holders will get something??

https://www.ft.com/content/3f405e6d-d4a3-46...ba-3ec9cf4f7054
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30% is based on the last traded value from AHAM and they have stated in the press statement that the fund has 15% in cash

FINMA only indicated the value is Zero meaning the losses is being write down but the bonds are still having a nominal value because it is not completely zero because the write down is only the losses but not the value of the paper 🤦‍♀️

At the end of the day it is up to CS to decide what course of action being taken on whether bond swaps, new bonds issuance or equity swap with the blessing of SNB
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Mar 23 2023, 12:55 PM)
30% is based on the last traded value from AHAM and they have stated in the press statement that the fund has 15% in cash

FINMA only indicated the value is Zero meaning the losses is being write down but the bonds are still having a nominal value because it is not completely zero because the write down is only the losses but not the value of the paper 🤦‍♀️

At the end of the day it is up to CS to decide what course of action being taken on whether bond swaps, new bonds issuance or equity swap with the blessing of SNB
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Press statement, do you have a link? Their communique didn't mention anything about that.

I am skeptical about what you mention, paper loss, as it seems its a total loss based on most major financial media reportings.

In any case, its academic now, will see how it plays out.
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post Mar 23 2023, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Mar 23 2023, 02:10 PM)
Press statement, do you have a link? Their communique didn't mention anything about that.

I am skeptical about what you mention, paper loss, as it seems its a total loss based on most major financial media reportings.

In any case, its academic now, will see how it plays out.
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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/659947

You need to check Bloomberg because the value is still there before suspension

It is still not total loss because it is not a realised loss until they totally liquidate completely 🤦‍♀️

FINMA is actually forcing some party to carry losses and that party will have to decide what to do with it whether to write down or not hence why UBS is asking for liquidity guarantee or backstop in order to hold losses

UBS already requested 9billion earlier from SNB to cover at least 60% but it is still pending

Sometimes you need to take media reporting me with pinch of a salt as they tend overblown it 🤦‍♀️

Just wait for UBS statement on what they do next within this 6 months upon merger
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post Mar 23 2023, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 22 2023, 05:39 PM)
Any problem?

Or u want to know some of their products
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Would like to know anyone have used them and their experience dealing with them. Is there minimum amount of capital for using them?
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Mar 23 2023, 04:27 PM)
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/659947

You need to check Bloomberg because the value is still there before suspension

It is still not total loss because it is not a realised loss until they totally liquidate completely 🤦‍♀️

FINMA is actually forcing some party to carry losses and that party will have to decide what to do with it whether to write down or not hence why UBS is asking for liquidity guarantee or backstop in order to hold losses

UBS already requested 9billion earlier from SNB to cover at least 60% but it is still pending

Sometimes you need to take media reporting me with pinch of a salt as they tend overblown it 🤦‍♀️

Just wait for UBS statement on what they do next within this 6 months upon merger
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Not everyone has visibility but its not wrong to ask and take it the wrong way.

The factsheet at at 28 Feb 23 for both series 2 and 4 states 95.6%(AT1)/4.4%(Cash) and 95.7%(AT1)/4.3%(cash) respectively. hmm.gif ... Also, what about the FX forward intended for hedging, the bank would have pulled the credit line and unwind FX forward.

Still highly doubtful that AT1 investors will get anything (even though paper value suggest otherwise), if it is open and shut, folks like Lazard, Pimco, Artemis won't be launching a suit over the shotgun marriage made by FINMA and UBS.

Definitely, exciting times.
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post Mar 23 2023, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Mar 23 2023, 04:58 PM)
Not everyone has visibility but its not wrong to ask and take it the wrong way.

The factsheet at at 28 Feb 23 for both series 2 and 4 states 95.6%(AT1)/4.4%(Cash) and 95.7%(AT1)/4.3%(cash) respectively.  hmm.gif ... Also, what about the FX forward intended for hedging, the bank would have pulled the credit line and unwind FX forward.

Still highly doubtful that AT1 investors will get anything (even though paper value suggest otherwise), if it is open and shut, folks like Lazard, Pimco, Artemis won't be launching a suit over the shotgun marriage made by FINMA and UBS.

Definitely,  exciting times.
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The fund fact sheet was taken by end of Feb hence there is lagged of 15 days on what did AHAM hence they might have liquidate some of the bonds which they are able to cut the losses and shore up the cash pile to 15%

PimCo is launching suit because they are holding most of the AT1s by CS and the suit is alleged because there is clause between them and it was breach of certain clause that triggers the suit

Just wait for next month meeting from FINMA and SNB to see the actual scale because I got a gut feeling now they are liquidating some of the gold reserves to shore the liquidity in this crisis

This wouldn’t have happen if the other SNB would have extend another line of credit to CS and now they are bearing a billion in losses just on the equities holding 🤦‍♀️

This post has been edited by xander2k8: Mar 23 2023, 05:18 PM
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post Mar 23 2023, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(eggplants @ Mar 23 2023, 04:47 PM)
Would like to know anyone have used them and their experience dealing with them. Is there minimum amount of capital for using them?
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Aham is a large Malaysian asset manager offering many types of products. So the minimum amount is dependant on the product you are investing in.

Lowest I think would be their PRS fund with minimum of RM100 as initial investment. Their unit trust is RM1000.

Highest would be if you buy a wholesale bond with them. That would be like minimum USD200,000 for a USD wholesale bond.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Mar 23 2023, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(eggplants @ Mar 23 2023, 04:47 PM)
Would like to know anyone have used them and their experience dealing with them. Is there minimum amount of capital for using them?
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So far so good as their CS is quite efficient in getting back to you if you have any enquires in the morning and by afternoon will sort it out easily

Minimum is at RM10 for MMF to certain UTs at 100 to 250k minimum for wholesale bond

Downside if no promo or vouchers be prepared to pay high SC 🤦‍♀️
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post Mar 23 2023, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Mar 23 2023, 04:58 PM)

Definitely,  exciting times.
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Swiss regulator defends $17bn wipeout of AT1 bonds in Credit Suisse deal

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The additional tier 1 (AT1) bonds in question contained explicit contractual language that they would be “completely written down in a ‘viability event’ in particular if extraordinary government support is granted”, Finma said. This allowed the regulator to prioritise equity holders ahead of AT1 holders.
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“[The] instruments in Switzerland are designed in such a way that they are written down or converted into [equity] before the equity capital of the bank concerned is completely used up or written down,” it said, pointing out that the bonds were designed for the use of sophisticated institutional investors because of their risky hybrid nature.
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post Apr 3 2023, 06:33 AM

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bought AHAM single bond series 4 through CIMB
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post Apr 3 2023, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(csbong87 @ Apr 3 2023, 06:33 AM)
bought AHAM single bond series 4 through CIMB
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No news from CIMB on when the fund suspension is being lifted?

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