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 Have you experienced alcohol withdrawal?

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TSmee udang
post Mar 23 2023, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Leto @ Mar 23 2023, 02:10 PM)
what do you feel if u stop drinking for 1 day?
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What superbike show is true, but I don't want to be at that level, this one really need hospital help to taper down or they die.
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As for your question to stop 1 day, almost every AWS (alcohol withdrawal symptoms) except the last 5-10%.

Chills, excessive sweating, mild fever (body hotter than usual), tremors, insomnia (guaranteed).

Next is weird dreams, hallucination (you see, touch, hear things that are not there), by extension crawling feeling on skin from something that is not there.

If you get pass 3-7 days, you're okay but first 3 days is tough.
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post Mar 23 2023, 03:16 PM

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Alcohol sedates or slows-down the brain/mind to produce calmness or relaxation, same as the action of more natural GABA being produced at night in normal people to prepare their brain/mind and body for sleep.

Afaik, drunkenness from excessive alcohol consumption equates to the brain and body having been completely shutdown like in a coma, ie not the normal deep sleep of about 4 hours (and then REM/Dreamy sleep for about 2 hours). Hence, drunk people at pubs/bars also cannot walk properly before they pass out.

I was referring to non-drunkenness, ie drinking alcohol just enough (eg 2 cans of 5%-beer or 1 glass of 14%-wine) to calm the brain/mind for sleep, which then can disrupt REM/Dreamy sleep later, ie after deep sleep.

Yes, withdrawal symptoms are often very weird, eg paranoia, hallucination, delusion, etc, even during sleep = an over-active brain/mind.
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TSmee udang
post Mar 23 2023, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 23 2023, 03:16 PM)
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Alcohol sedates or slows-down the brain/mind to produce calmness or relaxation, same as the action of more natural GABA being  produced at night in normal people to prepare their brain/mind and body for sleep.

Afaik, drunkenness from excessive alcohol consumption equates to the brain and body having been completely shutdown like in a coma, ie not  the normal deep sleep of about 4 hours (and then REM/Dreamy sleep for about 2 hours). Hence, drunk people at pubs/bars also cannot walk properly before they pass out.

I was referring to non-drunkenness, ie drinking alcohol just enough (eg 2 cans of 5%-beer or 1 glass of 14%-wine) to calm the brain/mind for sleep, which then can disrupt REM/Dreamy sleep later, ie after deep sleep.

Yes, withdrawal symptoms are often very weird, eg paranoia, hallucination, delusion, etc, even during sleep = an over-active brain/mind.
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Yup, I am no doctor but I can associate that my brain just like go into overdrive after I remove alcohol because its a suppressant of brain activity.

In contrast energy drink or coffee its a stimulant, also affects brain activity and as brain tries to go back to normal levels, it starts to cause withdrawal.

I did not purposely quit coffee or energy drink but one time I drink more than one Redbull, my hands was shaking, so I quit.

Only last hurdle is anything alcohol. sad.gif

If anyone want to drink to their death, is their choice but I've been to the far end and its not a good feeling.
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post Mar 24 2023, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(mee udang @ Mar 23 2023, 12:58 PM)
Tapering is apply to all types of withdrawal but usually difficult because relapse can happen.

I've tried specific sleeping pills like Zolpidem, antidepressant like Mirtazapine (prescribed); none as effective as benzo. What you say about beers cost is accurate, I roughly spend about RM32+/day just to sleep on beers, but RM2/day on benzo (don't ask me where I get it), but I'm not dependent on benzo because have developed some tolerance and I don't intend to use it more than a stopgap for withdrawal symptoms.

To your PS, my tolerance is still high, so it takes a lot to get me drunk. But what is stopping me from wanting to continue is that you can literally feel your liver physically to tell you stop, you won't feel it when you continue drinking but as you stop, you can feel physical pain at your liver for sure.
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It's all the mindset. I've been drinking everyday, never missed a single day even i infected with covid last year, this has been more than 5-6 years till now.
On 2019, i went to ordain temporarily in temple, i can easily stop drink for 15 days. Not even think of alcohol or have any withdrawal symptom.

But the moment i step out of temple, that night itself my routine continues...

My body also hinted me many times to stop, but i find another alternative to take natural anti inflammatory or detox to recover the health. I think somehow it helps.

Am im on 2nd 12% today, probably gonna take last 5% thai beer then sleep around 1am. so today 3 cans only. Feel quite tired due to work lolx
TSmee udang
post Mar 24 2023, 05:51 AM

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QUOTE(judie999 @ Mar 24 2023, 12:18 AM)
It's all the mindset. I've been drinking everyday, never missed a single day even i infected with covid last year, this has been more than 5-6 years till now.
On 2019, i went to ordain temporarily in temple, i can easily stop drink for 15 days. Not even think of alcohol or have any withdrawal symptom.

But the moment i step out of temple, that night itself my routine continues...

My body also hinted me many times to stop, but i find another alternative to take natural anti inflammatory or detox to recover the health. I think somehow it helps.

Am im on 2nd 12% today, probably gonna take last 5% thai beer then sleep around 1am. so today 3 cans only. Feel quite tired due to work lolx
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Yes, its in the mind, maybe you don't drink at temple because your mind is not under duress and relaxed so sleep comes easily, those who have insomnia from drinking (me) is susceptible to having bad experience replay when sleeping (hence insomnia), so you had less desire to drink at temple but if you go to psychiatrist they will ask if you have craving, which I think you still do.

Its the mind that controls the body and when you start total sobering, then everything goes crazy for few days. If you continuously drink, you won't have any withdrawal, most likely just die from pancreatitis or cirrhosis.

I'm not bound by religion against drinking, its just my experience as a whole to understand that its short term good feeling but in long term, I can say that its not worth it.
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post Mar 24 2023, 05:53 AM

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I will close this thread for now, I will reopen once I reach 100 day sobriety. Thanks to everyone in /k. notworthy.gif

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