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https://soyacincau.com/2023/03/03/fahmi-bro...access-pricing/ - 2023/03/03 - fahmi-broadband-services-will-be-cheaper-with-updated-mandatory-standard-on-access-pricing
... At the moment, DNB’s published Reference Access Offer (RAO) for 5G access pricing starts from RM30,000 per Gbps per month that’s locked to a 10-year contract duration. DNB has said it is open to conduct a price review every 18 months either via an independent party or through the MSAP. ....
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Afaik, DNB has only a total bandwidth capacity of 5.6Gbps per 5G cell tower for it's longer range and more usable 700Hz and 3.5GHz frequencies, to be sold to the few celcos, eg TM Unifi Mobile, Maxis, CelcomDigi, U Mobile and YES.

If a celco is paying DNB RM30,000 per month for 1Gbps for 5G access, it's cost is RM50 per 5G subscriber if it signs up 600 subscribers per 5G cell tower, ie RM30,000/600 = RM50. If out of the 600 subscribers, there are 400 active ones, eg during peak periods in urban areas, each active 5G subscriber can only get 2.5Mbps, ie 1,000Mbps/400 = 2.5Mbps.

So, consumers can expect more expensive 5G subscription plans and more traffic congestion, compared to the previous 4G subscription plans.

Short-range 5G smallcells on the 28GHz frequency are unreachable/unusable for most subscribers, ie the smallcells are concentrated in city centers and high-foot traffic areas like shopping malls and stadiums.
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Fiber Internet Retailers like Maxis Fiber are very much at a disadvantage against TM Unifi Fiber because if the former oversell their subscriptions, subscribers will get very low Internet speeds during peak periods, even though they are paying for high speeds like 500Mbps.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 23 2023, 05:58 PM

The 'true' cost of 5G.
Which is why the rollout is so slow.

is the trial period over d? currently on Celcom Mega plan still no extra charge to access 5g.

oh my god. 1000mbps divides among the users.. then whats the use of upgrading to 5G? might as well continue to use 4G?? something is wrong with this implementations and calculations. people adopt 5G is for its speed

TS calculation wrong. Literally in the same article:



Wholesale price supposed to be 500+ for 100mbps but why we only pay 100 for 100mbps? Because not everyone gonna max out bandwidth every single second.

"Celcom is offering 5G for all new and existing eligible Celcom postpaid customers to experience ultra-fast speed with 5G connectivity. This free 5G access is a limited-time promotion, starting from 1 November 22 until 30 April 2023."

Basically we are doom...
No wonder it's slow deployment & some Telco don't want get involved

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Afaik, the above quote says: ... if Maxis Fiber has bought 100Gbps of Fiber Internet capacity from TM HSBB Fiber Wholesale for RM254,636 per month but if it oversells to 5,000 Fiber Internet subscribers in the whole of Semenanjung, that means it's base cost is about RM51 per month per subscriber (RM254,636/5,000) but if there are 4,000 active Fiber Internet subscribers, each active subscriber will only get average 25Mbps (100,000Mbps/4,000), especially during peak periods, not the subscribed 500Mbps Fiber plan that is on offer.

As we know, most celcos and telcos tend to oversell subscriptions to maximize profits at the expense of consumers, eg subscribers often get slow Internet speed during peak periods and in urban areas, even though they have paid for high or uncap Internet speeds.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 6 2023, 06:19 PM

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Problem is, the celcos are phasing out 4G phone plans, ie new subscribers can only buy 5G phone plans even if they only use 4G phones.

Eg U Mobile has phased out 4G phone plans like prepaid GX38, postpaid GX68 and postpaid P99 = replaced by 5G phone plans like prepaid U40 and postpaid U98.
....... Since around Aug 2022, prepaid 4G phone plan subscribers had no choice but to subscribe to the new 5G phone plans. Whereas postpaid 4G phone plan subscribers could opt to not subscribe to the new 5G phone plans.

Wonder what the celcos will do if their new 5G phone postpaid plans receive lukewarm response, ie not many new customers.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 6 2023, 06:42 PM

DNB is forcing the MNOs to signup something they cannot control

Tat is y DNB is needed...
If the frequency assigned to diff operator...
U will see
200mbps shared by maxis 400 users
100mbps shared by celcomdigi 800 users
50mbps shared by umobile 500 users
650mbps shared by ytl 10 users

Sub 6ghz 5G is for ease 4g congestion

Real 5G use mmwave (28ghz) that implement at USA only as for now... Or got other countries?

Yea. They always tot the tower or the whole route must be cater for the plan they subscribe.. if so, the telco wont be survived even with the price in USD.

what phased out 4G plan ?
no choice ?
Umobile not agree with you

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Thank you for the correction.

So, only NEW prepaid subscribers had no choice, not old and existing 4G prepaid phone plan subscribers, eg from pre-Aug 2022.

Afaik, U Mobile does not offer any 4G phone prepaid plans at it's website anymore, since around Aug 2022, eg no more GX12, GX30 and GX38. .......
https://www.u.com.my/en/personal/mobile-pla...epaid/u-prepaid - u-prepaid
https://www.u.com.my/en/personal/mobile-pla...ekly-data-plans

Similarly for the postpaid 5G phone plans at U Mobile's website, ie no more GX50, GX68, P79, P99 and P139. Old and existing subscribers of GX50, GX68, P79, P99 and P139 could continue their subscription till today and in the future.
....... Similarly for the much better Legacy Digi Infinite 150 postpaid 4G phone plan from 2016, eg unlimited speed, FUP of 1TB and then throttled to 15Mbps, not throttled to 512kbps for the newer Digi Infinite 150 plan from last year.

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P S - Most prepaid subscribers often change celcos = get new prepaid subscriptions, esp when new cheaper offers from rival celcos arrive, eg the 4G Prepaid wars in June-July 2020 = GX38 vs HUP35 vs CUP35 vs DUP35 vs TM-UM RM35 Bebas Monthly.
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Not really, eg U Mobile has a total bandwidth capacity of 1.9Gbps per 4G cell tower to be shared by about 500 active subscribers during peak periods in urban areas, ie about 4Mbps per subscriber. Can get higher speeds during off-peak periods. Maxis has even more 4G bandwidth capacity.

So, afaik, if U Mobile also has the same number of 5G subscribers per 5G cell tower (for lowband-700MHz and midband-3.5GHz) as above, and "rented" only 1Gbps from DNB at RM30,000 per month per cell tower, it would be a worse 5G experience for it's subscribers.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 6 2023, 10:38 PM

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The above refers to Immobile Fixed Fiber Broadband/Internet, not mobile 5G/4G Internet or 5G/4G cell towers.
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TM owns the national HSBB Fiber network in Semenanjung. TM HSBB Wholesale sells Fiber access to other retailers like Maxis Fiber and Timedotcom (for condos), eg RM254k per month for a total capacity of 100Gbps.
....... So, TM Unifi Fiber has a bandwidth capacity of 10Gbps per fiber cable that usually connects to maximum of about 40 linked homes via the backlane. So, each of it's home subscriber has an average of about 250Mbps during peak periods when all 40 subscribers are active, ie 10,000Mbps/40 = 250Mbps. Hence TM Unifi Fiber offers home subscibers a speed-mixture from 30Mbps to 100Mbps to 500Mbps to 1Gbps since not all 40 subscribers would often be active at the same time.

Note that 4 out of the above 40 Home Fiber subscribers could be allocated by TM to Maxis Fiber and/or CelcomDigi Fiber.

When TM Unifi Fiber says "no more ports available" to new customers, it means all the 40 ports along a row of linked homes have been taken up. The new customer will have to wait quite long for an existing customer to "port-out" or cancel his/her Fiber subscription.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 7 2023, 10:28 AM

I mean... The speed will be reduced if allocate to each telco.
Can u imagine how fast is our 4G if only 3 operators share the spectrum?

Take a highway as example, three lanes highway is always ease the flow compared to 1 lane x 3 for specific users (one lane for odd car plate, one for even, one for bus and lorry)

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Afaik, the better solution to traffic congestion during peak hours in urban areas (= slow Internet speed) is for the celcos to build more 4G cell towers and/or to not oversell 4G subscriptions, and not to limit it to just 3 celcos/operators because each 4G cell tower can support a maximum of about 500 active subscribers. IOW, the more cell towers, the lesser sharing of the limited mobile bandwidth capacity for the same number of subscribers in a certain area; ... and one 4G cell tower should not be supporting 1,000 subscribers, either active or inactive.

4G cell towers have a nomal range of 1km and maximum range of 5km, depending on the 4G transceiver power level set by the celcos. In practice, 4G cell towers are placed closer apart in urban areas which have many more subscribers, eg 2km apart, ... and placed further apart in rural areas which have fewer subscribers, eg 10km apart (since max range is 5km).
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I think problem is not DNB but the fact DNB owns by MOF its largest shareholders … why MOF owns telco infra?

Telco states they okay to take up ownership of DNB, finance and manage by private sectors entirely.

Note that Khazanah owns Axiata (mother company to Celcom) and TM (mother company to Unifi Mobile)

Celcom and Unifi Mobile have stakes in DNB.


MOF owning DNB as well for 30%, so nett nett … MOF owns more than 50% of DNB.

Why waste public money on DNB?

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Afaik, the main motive for the government monopoly of DNB was to prevent duplication of 5G infrastructure by the many private celcos, eg 5G cell towers, as has happened for 2G/3G/4G, besides 5G wholesale price-control. This is similar to TM HSBB Fiber Wholesale to Maxis Fiber, Digi Fiber, Astro Fiber, Timedotcom, etc.

Basic essential utilities like supply of electricity, water and Internet should not be fully privatized, in order to prevent profit-gouging of consumers/users by private companies, eg Apple Inc and Microsoft Corp(= profit margin of >30%). In most countries, basic essential utilities are nationalized or government-controlled.
....... Unfortunately, in Malaysia, there is political cronyism, nepotism, racialism(= race-based policies), etc, which have increased prices and produced inefficiencies or low-productivity wrt such basic essential utilities.
....... This may be why the cost of broadband Internet in Malaysia is more expensive (US$) than Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan, HK, China, South Korea, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, etc. .......
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/count...kings?itemId=33 - Price Rankings by Country of Internet (60 Mbps or More, Unlimited Data, Cable/ADSL) (Utilities (Monthly))
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