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littlefire
post Jan 26 2023, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(chriscym @ Jan 26 2023, 01:24 PM)
I wonder if that will void the car's warranty. 5k, is about the price for B&W. Their headphones is 2k onwards, so 5k is about just about right price.
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If got concern about car's warranty, BMW got upgrade options in-house.
it can be purchased additionally, it is knew as retrofit hi-fi kit depending on brand & how deep your pocket.
You want add LCD screen behind seats also got original BMW retrokit.
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post Jan 31 2023, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jan 25 2023, 09:04 AM)
B series engine not that worried for the timing chain guides parts as compared to N series.

The latest information i gathered from my mechanic is that B series got coolant or water level keep going low even during warranty period and need to top up time to time. Warranty claimed from owners feedback turbo coolant pipe leaking to EGR internal coolant leak, some even did not manage to claim anything even going thru pressure test etc..  doh.gif
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Yes, the B48 coolant issues was also mentioned during discussions with BMW Service Assistant during sending the car at SC,

timing chain has no issues for B48, luckily the Timing Chain positions for N20 is in front, no need to take out the engine from the body (estimated RM 1,500 to replace the chain & guide)

However, the most silly was everyone at SC discouraged to change Gearbox Oil, as there was a case - Gearbox became malfunction after replace the Oil & Pan, even one of my friends (Honda SC Mgr) experienced that, Gearbox became jerking & hesitate to change gear, trade in his F30 with new CR-V, mine ZF oil & pan changed at specialist, feels smooth & faster gearshift after service

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littlefire
post Jan 31 2023, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(samwan_sambadi @ Jan 31 2023, 01:17 PM)
Yes, the B48 coolant issues was also mentioned during discussions   with BMW Service Assistant during sending the car at SC,

timing chain has no issues for B48, luckily the Timing Chain positions for N20 is in front, no need to take out the engine from the body (estimated RM 1,500 to replace the chain & guide)

However, the most silly was everyone at SC discouraged to change Gearbox Oil, as there was a case - Gearbox became malfunction after replace the Oil & Pan, even one of my friends (Honda SC Mgr) experienced that, Gearbox became jerking & hesitate to change gear, trade in his F30 with new CR-V, mine ZF oil & pan changed at specialist, feels smooth & faster gearshift after service
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Nowadays gearbox for newer gen are software lock and only able to reset by certain personal from SC or pay money to open/reprogram
If you never change auto oil for ZF gearbox you need to reset the settings after changing fresh oil, if not sure jerking & hesitate to change gear as the software inside already adapt suit with the old oil.

If you go for official SC, if not mistaken due to warranty they wont also change the auto oil within warranty period. So call "life time gear oil" doh.gif
This is also similar to Mazda and other similar car manufacturers nowadays. After warranty period habis, gearbox pun habis lebih kurang sama masa, tukar kereta baru loo.. laugh.gif

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post Feb 1 2023, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jan 31 2023, 04:13 PM)
Nowadays gearbox for newer gen are software lock and only able to reset by certain personal from SC or pay money to open/reprogram
If you never change auto oil for ZF gearbox you need to reset the settings after changing fresh oil, if not sure jerking & hesitate to change gear as the software inside already adapt suit with the old oil.

If you go for official SC, if not mistaken due to warranty they wont also change the auto oil within warranty period. So call "life time gear oil"  doh.gif
This is also similar to Mazda and other similar car manufacturers nowadays. After warranty period habis, gearbox pun habis lebih kurang sama masa, tukar kereta baru loo..  laugh.gif
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I once was bising with the saleswoman at AB Kuala Lumpur about the gearbox oil change for ZF8HP Gearbox, even she didn't know about the Timing Chain Guide fiasco on N20, nevertheless she called a guy to discuss with me and happened the he is a BMW Genius Product Specialist.

He explained that the 'Lifetime' term was actually 5 years according to BMW standard and is not encourage owner to replace the Gearbox oil due to chance of Malfunction

Yes, it is true that you need to do a proper Gearbox adaptation after flush & fill of new GB Oil (ZF Lifeguard 8), provided with proper bleeding & topup the oil again shortly. (even the bolting sequence on Oil Pan must be correct)

I am very satisfied with the GB Oil change and next changes after 40k of mileage 😁👍🏼

P/S = 1 new unit ZF8HP at SC costing RM40k, Halfcut was RM4,500

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post Feb 1 2023, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(samwan_sambadi @ Feb 1 2023, 02:21 AM)
I once was bising with the saleswoman at AB Kuala Lumpur about the gearbox oil change for ZF8HP Gearbox, even she didn't know about the Timing Chain Guide fiasco on N20, nevertheless she called a guy to discuss with me and happened the he is a BMW Genius Product Specialist.

He explained that the 'Lifetime' term was actually 5 years according to BMW standard and is not encourage owner to replace the Gearbox oil due to chance of Malfunction

Yes, it is true that you need to do a proper Gearbox adaptation after flush & fill of new GB Oil (ZF Lifeguard 8), provided with proper bleeding & topup the oil again shortly. (even the bolting sequence on Oil Pan must be correct)

I am very satisfied with the GB Oil change and next changes after 40k of mileage 😁👍🏼

P/S = 1 new unit ZF8HP at SC costing RM40k, Halfcut was RM4,500

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Not worth changing new & half-cut nowadays. New service kit (New clutch plates, solenoid vales, etc) for the ZF gearbox is similar & maybe cheaper compare to what the halfcut price, +1~2k workmanship can consider new re-con gearbox with everything new inside. My mechanic already did few ZF gearbox full service kit replacement and the feel is damn responsive and smooth, total around 5~6k the money is worth the full rebuilt.

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post Feb 1 2023, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jan 31 2023, 04:13 PM)
Nowadays gearbox for newer gen are software lock and only able to reset by certain personal from SC or pay money to open/reprogram
If you never change auto oil for ZF gearbox you need to reset the settings after changing fresh oil, if not sure jerking & hesitate to change gear as the software inside already adapt suit with the old oil.

If you go for official SC, if not mistaken due to warranty they wont also change the auto oil within warranty period. So call "life time gear oil"  doh.gif
This is also similar to Mazda and other similar car manufacturers nowadays. After warranty period habis, gearbox pun habis lebih kurang sama masa, tukar kereta baru loo..  laugh.gif
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What is the purpose of this sohai tactic lifetime gear oil?. Or they want to milking people money so that customer either change new gearbox after 5 years or buy new car after 5 years.

Then its beat the purpose of free schedule service liao. In the end, better dont have free service la like this. And hopefully got one brave customer bring the car brand into tribunal if indeed they try to cheat customer with this dirty tactics.
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post Feb 1 2023, 10:36 AM

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Any bros here took delivery of the LCI 330i/320i yet ?

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post Feb 1 2023, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(DS51 @ Feb 1 2023, 10:29 AM)
What is the purpose of this sohai tactic lifetime gear oil?. Or they want to milking people money so that customer either change new gearbox after 5 years or buy new car after 5 years.

Then its beat the purpose of free schedule service liao. In the end, better dont have free service la like this. And hopefully got one brave customer bring the car brand into tribunal if indeed they try to cheat customer with this dirty tactics.
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Well their definition of lifetime is the product lifecycle lifetime. My e60 zf6 gearbox which never changed ATF was having E clutch fault at 125k km. It was well over its lifecycle when that happened

For my f30 zf8, i just did the ATF change outside at 80k km as preventive measure while its still under warranty.

Anyway the BSRI is not always about giving your car the best long term reliability. Before the 2015 BSRI revamp, the "free service" interval was at 20k km. Customers who follow their schedule get sludge problems

Even the SA advised me to fork out money for the 10k service in between "free service" laugh.gif
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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Feb 1 2023, 10:36 AM)
Any bros here took delivery of the LCI 330i/320i yet ?
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Already in showrooms. First glance:
- rear looks exactly the same, bumper more aggressive
- front grill has too much chrome now. Not sure how it will look in all black grills. Any after shop doing this yet?
- interior dash looks good, similar to Mercedes but slightly curved
There is a new color…slight greenish metallic which looks awesome
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post Feb 8 2023, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(BigMan123 @ Feb 8 2023, 01:30 PM)
Already in showrooms. First glance:
- rear looks exactly the same, bumper more aggressive
- front grill has too much chrome now. Not sure how it will look in all black grills. Any after shop doing this yet?
- interior dash looks good, similar to Mercedes but slightly curved
There is a new color…slight greenish metallic which looks awesome
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The kidney grilles definitely has to be swapped for blacked-out ones.

Saw on car forums during launch, there are these new colours brooklyn grey and skyscraper grey metallic. Both look very nice on the G20.
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post Feb 9 2023, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(BigMan123 @ Feb 8 2023, 12:30 PM)
Already in showrooms. First glance:
- rear looks exactly the same, bumper more aggressive
- front grill has too much chrome now. Not sure how it will look in all black grills. Any after shop doing this yet?
- interior dash looks good, similar to Mercedes but slightly curved
There is a new color…slight greenish metallic which looks awesome
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check out the new M340 LCI on youtube yesterday. it has the black all black grills.
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post Feb 9 2023, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Feb 8 2023, 01:08 PM)
The kidney grilles definitely has to be swapped for blacked-out ones.

Saw on car forums during launch, there are these new colours brooklyn grey and skyscraper grey metallic. Both look very nice on the G20.
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Are those frost colour?

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post Feb 9 2023, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(chriscym @ Feb 9 2023, 12:01 PM)
Are those frost colour?
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I dont think so, bro
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I placed booking for 320i with some rebate , but struggling with should I wait for new x1
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post Feb 14 2023, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(Ivanc83 @ Feb 13 2023, 11:44 PM)
I placed booking for 320i with some rebate , but struggling with should I wait for new x1
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I have not made booking but kind of having the same dilemma. Tested the current X1 and is a no brainer to go 3 series but all the overseas reviews suggest the new X1 is very different.

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post Feb 14 2023, 02:25 PM

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Also - I am considering both 330i and 330e and have been really indecisive about it.

330i - the only thing that I wish it has is the adaptive suspension. The passive is too stiff for my liking on 90% of the usage. If it comes with adaptive, then the choice is easy.

330e - I consider this because it has the adaptive suspension (maybe a stupid reason for a lot of people?). Not really concerned on the FC or RV but more on the reliability (more problems?) and I have a noob question - going on a long trip like 700 - 800km, start with full charge, but will it end up dragging the extra weight with absolutely no hybrid advantage if do not re-charge during the 700 - 800km drive? Or it will still have the benefit as it recharges itself? I am talking about a "normal" drive, highway maybe keeping it at 110km - 130km... occasional speed up but that might be just 10% of it....

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post Feb 14 2023, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Feb 9 2023, 07:00 PM)
I dont think so, bro
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If the frost color is in Malaysia, I bet a lot of potential buyers will be willing to pay a premium for it. It is just so attractive (well, at least from YouTube and overseas' reviews).

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QUOTE(bert3227 @ Feb 14 2023, 02:25 PM)
Also - I am considering both 330i and 330e and have been really indecisive about it.

330i - the only thing that I wish it has is the adaptive suspension. The passive is too stiff for my liking on 90% of the usage. If it comes with adaptive, then the choice is easy.

330e - I consider this because it has the adaptive suspension (maybe a stupid reason for a lot of people?). Not really concerned on the FC or RV but more on the reliability (more problems?) and I have a noob question - going on a long trip like 700 - 800km, start with full charge, but will it end up dragging the extra weight with absolutely no hybrid advantage if do not re-charge during the 700 - 800km drive? Or it will still have the benefit as it recharges itself? I am talking about a "normal" drive, highway maybe keeping it at 110km - 130km... occasional speed up but that might be just 10% of it....
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You get used to the 330i ride quality after some time I'd say tongue.gif

For 330e, I googled and saw this - https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1962540, which fits well with your description above. Not using battery, only ICE (rely on b48 only). He cruised and got about 6L / 100KM of economy.

Realistically, I think it should recharge itself as you brake etc? Efficiency should be slightly better. But no comment about the extra weight.

For comparison when I drove down to Johor on the same day, got 6.5L/100km with ~200kg of passenger (4 pax). Also fairly heavy footed myself

Anyways, also sharing some other reviews I've read (https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1745449), and (https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1673902). Hopefully it helps!
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QUOTE(bert3227 @ Feb 14 2023, 02:18 PM)
I have not made booking but kind of having the same dilemma. Tested the current X1 and is a no brainer to go 3 series but all the overseas reviews suggest the new X1 is very different.
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Yeah agree, the new x1 looks cool. And my family keep insisting for a first and only SUV 😅
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QUOTE(bert3227 @ Feb 14 2023, 02:25 PM)
Also - I am considering both 330i and 330e and have been really indecisive about it.

330i - the only thing that I wish it has is the adaptive suspension. The passive is too stiff for my liking on 90% of the usage. If it comes with adaptive, then the choice is easy.

330e - I consider this because it has the adaptive suspension (maybe a stupid reason for a lot of people?). Not really concerned on the FC or RV but more on the reliability (more problems?) and I have a noob question - going on a long trip like 700 - 800km, start with full charge, but will it end up dragging the extra weight with absolutely no hybrid advantage if do not re-charge during the 700 - 800km drive? Or it will still have the benefit as it recharges itself? I am talking about a "normal" drive, highway maybe keeping it at 110km - 130km... occasional speed up but that might be just 10% of it....
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330i without a doubt. If 330e, might as well go for a full electric like ix.

330i ride is amazing and you will like it after a while.

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