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TSJjoottt
post Jan 11 2023, 11:09 AM, updated 3y ago

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Does your condo do this?

Bincangkan.

https://www.facebook.com/100064542316032/po...mibextid=cr9u03

Update…cukur no more maruah Tchalla

https://www.facebook.com/84629469132/posts/...mibextid=cr9u03

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:10 AM

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jan 11 2023, 11:10 AM)
Ok
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Ini soalan ke cadangan
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:10 AM

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Any problem ?
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:11 AM

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vote them out in next JMB AGM lo
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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:10 AM)
Ini soalan ke cadangan
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Agree with the statement
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jan 11 2023, 11:10 AM)
Any problem ?
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No problem for me, not staying in condo. Dats y asking for research purposes

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:12 AM

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dont know. i stay in condo n im ok with no pork for "public" bbq pit.
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:12 AM

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You tak suka, go build your own BBQ pit
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:11 AM)
No problem for me, not staying in condo. Dats y asking for research purposes
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It's a reasonable rule.
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:13 AM

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The condo I'm gonna get, there's hardly any fruits. Mostly young foreign chicks.
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:14 AM

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Can they complain the same when they go abroad stay there.. let's say study?
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:14 AM

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next they will implement only certain races an stay... kekkk...

then later will implement only can grab or food pantatz halal food only into condo... kekkk...

JMB sampah... discriminasii... go make complain to our new ereccted menteriis la...
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:15 AM

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So, if u bbq non-halal ayam sate on it, they need to samak it again kah? blush.gif
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:15 AM

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BBQ pit need to be halal? i tot the forks only.
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 11 2023, 11:15 AM)
So, if u bbq non-halal ayam sate on it, they need to samak it again kah? blush.gif
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Good argument you have there
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 11 2023, 11:15 AM)
So, if u bbq non-halal ayam sate on it, they need to samak it again kah? blush.gif
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1. Sertu not samak. Samak is the process of cleaning the skin of animals (for example kulit lembu)
2. Non-halal ayam haram dimakan but not considered as najis besar. Only najis besar kena sertu.

QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:16 AM)
Good argument you have there
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Not good really, just ignorant and misinformed.

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 11 2023, 11:15 AM)
So, if u bbq non-halal ayam sate on it, they need to samak it again kah? blush.gif
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Just use some sand will do. Learnt from peraxus.
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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Not ok, if want segregation, better make 2 BBQ pits.

Inb4 one school system good for unity they said, but not condo with same pit
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:10 AM)
Ini soalan ke cadangan
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(skeith @ Jan 11 2023, 11:12 AM)
dont know. i stay in condo n im ok with no pork for "public" bbq pit.
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If your chicken or beef is not halal certified, it's technically non-halal too even if not pork. blush.gif
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jan 11 2023, 11:14 AM)
next they will implement only certain races an stay... kekkk...

then later will implement only can grab or food pantatz halal food only into condo... kekkk...

JMB sampah... discriminasii... go make complain to our new ereccted menteriis la...
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Then slowly.. At pasar also can't buy pork anymore..

Then slowly pork cannot enter country also..

All pig in the jungle also will be shot to avoid black market lol.gif

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(emino @ Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM)
1. Sertu not samak. Samak is the process of cleaning the skin of animals (for example kulit lembu)
2. Non-halal ayam haram dimakan but not considered as najis besar. Only najis besar kena sertu.
Not good really, just ignorant and misinformed.
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Nice for a Muslim to comment. Good input.
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:18 AM

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support.

non halal food is not healthy.


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QUOTE(emino @ Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM)
1. Sertu not samak. Samak is the process of cleaning the skin of animals (for example kulit lembu)
2. Non-halal ayam haram dimakan but not considered as najis besar. Only najis besar kena sertu.
Not good really, just ignorant and misinformed.
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The notice posted by TS mentioned "samak".
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 11 2023, 11:18 AM)
The notice posted by TS mentioned "samak".
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Yeah it is a common misconception, even many muslims dont know the difference. But in this case I feel macam the MO might be non-muslim.

Ustaz kat Malaysia ramai malas so ajar ala kadar je.

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 11 2023, 11:18 AM)
The notice posted by TS mentioned "samak".
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TS copy pasta only.

No play religion card, only constructive argument

But as TS say, no stay condo dats y katak dibawah termpurung
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:20 AM

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sendiri bawak BBQ pit?

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post Jan 11 2023, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:09 AM)
Everyday also want racing
So sensitive huh?
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:21 AM

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no pork, no alcohol, might as well no need bbq


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post Jan 11 2023, 11:22 AM

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Vegetarians didn't complain they want to BBQ veg there and need to cleanse of meat corruption?
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jan 11 2023, 11:21 AM)
Everyday also want racing
So sensitive huh?
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TS no mean racing. See 2 comments above
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(emino @ Jan 11 2023, 11:19 AM)
Yeah it is a common misconception, even many muslims dont know the difference. But in this case I feel macam the MO might be non-muslim.

Ustaz kat Malaysia ramai malas so ajar ala kadar je.
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the simple reason of almost same method but different reasoning

SAMAK=SERTU but SERTU=/=SAMAK

something like this

main core is the same : water and soil cleansing
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:23 AM

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How about beef? I know some firend xmakan beef one wo.
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:25 AM

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Depending on majority lor

If majority nons, then nons have say
If majority Muslim , then Muslim say
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kek...
bring pork chop bbq...who knows? lol
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:26 AM

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That is why the concept of shared facilities does not work here in Malaysia due to some dumb fucks not reading the instructions.
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QUOTE(keong_boy @ Jan 11 2023, 11:23 AM)
How about beef? I know some firend xmakan beef one wo.
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inb4 kalau tak sukak, pendatang boleh balik Yindia doh.gif
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QUOTE(sunami @ Jan 11 2023, 11:25 AM)
kek...
bring pork chop bbq...who knows? lol
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same with piap piap, how come they know u go in not with your wife?

answer : snitches/spies/kick down door
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QUOTE(keong_boy @ Jan 11 2023, 11:23 AM)
How about beef? I know some firend xmakan beef one wo.
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Hindus doesnt have beef cleansing procedure if there's a contamination, at least not that I know of. Can simple wash and reuse.

Muslims have special cleansing procedure when it comes to najis berat.

So in this case, either perform the procedure each time, or have separate pit is ideal solution. I disagree with banning non to use the facility entirely, but if that is the house rule that has been voted on by the building JMB/Resident, just follow la.
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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:22 AM)
TS no mean racing. See 2 comments above
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I was referring to the management notice.
It was very broad issue to discuss if they want to involve anything halal into it.
How about, grab food drop off area with others non-halal food? Grab container bag store with non-halal food?
Will it be a matter in the future also?

In fact, it's not a problem at first.
Suddenly 2023, there was an issue starting with the BBQs.


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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM)
If your chicken or beef is not halal certified, it's technically non-halal too even if not pork. blush.gif
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hmmm true. we never halal or not.

i guess the best solution is seperate halal n non halal pit. lol
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alah..beli je own bbq pits. those stainless steel type. baru berapa rm.

me better beli sendiri dr guna public. sometime i saw very dirty the public pitt.
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QUOTE(conan1 @ Jan 11 2023, 11:30 AM)
alah..beli je own bbq pits. those stainless steel type. baru berapa rm.

me better beli sendiri dr guna public. sometime i saw very dirty the public pitt.
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BBQ at own balcony later got ppl complained the smoke/smell.... biggrin.gif
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bukan ini norm ke?

even office also got non halal n halal microwave owen and utensils

dont over sensitive la
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:33 AM

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What can they do?

Are they going to check and monitor throughout?

Bila Nak come out halal and non halal money nih.


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get residents to get JMB meeting,.. vote them out,..
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Should label the pit for halal & non-halal
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So means no other condo doing dis?

TS no stay condo dats y wanna see if this is the norm
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QUOTE(tatabun @ Jan 11 2023, 11:32 AM)
bukan ini norm ke?

even office also got non halal n halal microwave owen and utensils

dont over sensitive la
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nope,.. my relative always do event at condo's hall,.. catering non halal,...
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QUOTE(emino @ Jan 11 2023, 11:28 AM)
Hindus doesnt have beef cleansing procedure if there's a contamination, at least not that I know of. Can simple wash and reuse.

Muslims have special cleansing procedure when it comes to najis berat.

So in this case, either perform the procedure each time, or have separate pit is ideal solution. I disagree with banning non to use the facility entirely, but if that is the house rule that has been voted on by the building JMB/Resident, just follow la.
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Agreed.

user posted image

We are live in multi-racial and management seems first time staying in Malaysia?
Banning are the most moron solutions always
The most simple way to solve is have another grill stand bar for halal food and that will simply solve the matter.

Management notice like this will just fire both racial into nowhere.
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you guys dare use public pits? bring own equipments la then no issue
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Only vegan food allow

Management didn't take care of the vegan people here

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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:09 AM)
unker dont see any problem, apa yg nak dibincang???
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QUOTE(skeith @ Jan 11 2023, 11:12 AM)
dont know. i stay in condo n im ok with no pork for "public" bbq pit.
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not sure what does the bbq pit looks like, but usually condo bbq pit, they provide the charcoal place, u ownself bring the grill.
so i dun see any issue if cook non halal on your own grill.
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next, non-halal food only in cargo lift
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:36 AM

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You BBQ non halal food not like they going to know also. They just need to put memo out to show that they done their work. Not like they going to check.

Those so scared, then go cook at home loh.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 11 2023, 11:17 AM)
If your chicken or beef is not halal certified, it's technically non-halal too even if not pork. blush.gif
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I'm pretty sure that is not what the management intended.
They most likely refer to pork.
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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:09 AM)
Beef not halal for Hindu. So only chicken, fish, mutton, vegetable is halal.
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Why so troublesome. Just say bring your own mesh grill. Condo provide pit, user buy own charcoal and mesh grill. Settle no issue with halal or haram
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Jan 11 2023, 11:35 AM)
not sure what does the bbq pit looks like, but usually condo bbq pit, they provide the charcoal place, u ownself bring the grill.
so i dun see any issue if cook non halal on your own grill.
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I bring my old oven grills. Don't trust the one's provided
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later will have muslim block and non muslim block
muslim block 50% discounted price.

soon in Kelantan, Trengganu and Kedah. hahaha
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Jan 11 2023, 11:35 AM)
not sure what does the bbq pit looks like, but usually condo bbq pit, they provide the charcoal place, u ownself bring the grill.
so i dun see any issue if cook non halal on your own grill.
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my place 1 is the one with gas tong, n portable. grill installed.

should b the same 1
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my condo got bbq pit for halal and non halal on diff side
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post Jan 11 2023, 11:52 AM

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udara bila nak di semak kan?
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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 11:09 AM)
This is one of many confusion among Muslims in Malaysia. Rooted in the split between:
1) official doctrine = Ahli Sunnah / Salaf / four major Sunni imams (jurisprudence)
2) prominent in east cost Malaysia = Asya'irah / Mathuridiyah / batiniah


TLDR: Culturally in Malaysia pig is treated as "najis berat" and the surface in contact need to be "samak" (special procedure cleansing). Where as majority Sunni ulama defines pig as "haram" to eat, but not "najis berat" hence only clean as you clean other things.

Astro Awani: Perihal babi dari kaca mata ulama

Real life experience when going to my wife (convert) siblings house for overnight or meal. Initially they all had separate mangkuk, periuk, kuali, pinggan, mangkuk, etc. Had a long talk to explain to them no need to go such extreme.

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how is the BBQ pit look like?
if grill is removeable then just remove the gill then, everyone bring own grill ... problem solve rather than racing for nothing.
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QUOTE(knazlee @ Jan 11 2023, 11:36 AM)
Why so troublesome. Just say bring your own mesh grill. Condo provide pit, user buy own charcoal and mesh grill. Settle no issue with halal or haram
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This

But then some lebai will complain about non halal smoke

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2023 edition started with BBQ pit halal > 2 sets for halal and non halal > currency notes > oxygen > tax.


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rindu BBQ.. ayam nak buat BBQ la
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Throw some sand into bbq pit after done.

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post Jan 11 2023, 12:36 PM

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If i bring a pig body but replace the head with goat head, izzit ok?
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Non holol tak bulih, beef okie?
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Now must have Muslim, Hindu & DLL bbq pits...hahahaha . . also vegan pit

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1) sertu, not samak. Nak issue statement sendiri pun tak tau proper term

2) even if halal, i wouldnt use the same grill plate or net used by others. Bring ur own, more hygienic. The pit is for charcoal only, apa nak halalnya?

3) if non muslim cook pork next door, the aroma gets into ur nose how? Takkan ko nak sertu peparu ko? Tak logik kan?

Praktikkan halal setakat yg munasabah.
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Usually chicken wing je.... no problem....
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Luckily this happen during ph.
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QUOTE(kotaro_minami @ Jan 11 2023, 12:57 PM)
Luckily this happen during ph.
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if happen during PN or BN, hell break loose!


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post Jan 11 2023, 01:06 PM

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if u grill pork belly there, they wont know also. unless they go check.

just say its daging je
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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jan 11 2023, 11:14 AM)
Can they complain the same when they go abroad stay there.. let's say study?
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you ingat muslim only in malaysia ke?

depend on country n area lo.
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If not vavi, source daging still to need check also? Sembelih that time got mengucap or not etc.

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honestly.... dont say things out loud, no one will make a fuss....
especially when the heat from BBQ is gonna kill whatever organic matter there anyway
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reasonable lah, even my office has 2 different microwave oven for halal and non-halal
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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Jan 11 2023, 12:28 PM)
same with piap piap, how come they know u go in not with your wife?

answer : snitches/spies/kick down door
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but then....pork wo..u have to get near to c there...
ppl bbq-ing...some stranger go and c what u bbq there?
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Eh, suddenly post kena repot…

But y? Kan sudah ada amicable solution
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jan 11 2023, 11:18 AM)
support.

non halal food is not healthy.
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Care to explain more about how is it not healthy?
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Care to explain more about how is it not healthy?
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For those bigots, only mamak foods with maggots and rats are halal and healthy.
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Sad to think that even 10 years ago, this was never an issue.

Radical fundamentalism growing in Malaysia
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QUOTE(eddystorm @ Jan 11 2023, 01:19 PM)
Care to explain more about how is it not healthy?
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If its healthy, why is it banned?
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BBQ pits made of gold? What is so difficult to make two separate ones? Unnecessary problems with simple solutions.
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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Jan 11 2023, 02:08 PM)
Fuhhh mah sing really act fast and professional ohmy.gif

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You guys haven't seen sick psycho condo ppl only ..... I've heard stories of psycho live above bbq pit constantly spray or sprinkle dna babi from top just for the lulz ...... regardless of the notice for safety reason every time when wanna use make sure clean first.
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Another Mah sing project also got what. Lakeville.
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Only cheap condo will have this issue.if u stay in a more expensive condo, no one cares because 99% is orang apple and expats brows.gif
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Next, separate the swimming pool, tennis court and sauna rooms.
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My PJ condo got 2 BBQ pit
So lemah this one

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Next, separate the swimming pool, tennis court and sauna rooms.
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Must be alot of babi swimming then need to separate the pool
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live in landed corner lot can bbq human meat also no problem
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facility all kasi halal non halal jer la


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non-halal food, but can still drink beer or not?
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QUOTE(skeith @ Jan 11 2023, 11:45 AM)
my place 1 is the one with gas tong, n portable. grill installed.

should b the same 1
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as long as own grill, i dun see problem with cooking non halal.
however, if shared grill, be considerate & dun cook non halal on it.

for me, i'll still use my own grill regardless, cuz dunno how dirty is the provided grill.
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this is resonable.

why got hu ha?
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Two BBQ pit ... one halal, one non-halal. Why all the fuss, i think its pretty straight forward. This one also need to create thread?
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QUOTE(amboi_asamboi @ Jan 11 2023, 12:53 PM)
1) sertu, not samak. Nak issue statement sendiri pun tak tau proper term

2) even if halal, i wouldnt use the same grill plate or net used by others. Bring ur own, more hygienic. The pit is for charcoal only, apa nak halalnya?

3) if non muslim cook pork next door, the aroma gets into ur nose how? Takkan ko nak sertu peparu ko? Tak logik kan?

Praktikkan halal setakat yg munasabah.
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Setuju. Yang jadi susah dan menyusahkan diri-sendiri dan masyarakat adalah apabila cuba buat/tambah benda yang takda dalam agama.

https://www.astroawani.com/gaya-hidup/samak...ta-ulama-169926

Key take-away points....

1. Kita tidak patut mengandaikan perkara yang kita tidak nampak. Asal sesuatu yang bersih itu kekal dianggap bersih sehingga terbukti secara yakin ia telah dicemari najis. Andaian ataupun syak tidak mengubah status asal yang bersih itu.

2. "Apabila anjing menjilat bekas seseorang kamu, maka basuhlah sebanyak tujuh kali. Salah satunya dengan tanah" (riwayat al-Bukhari dan Muslim, lafaz Muslim). Hadis ini hanya menyebut jilatan anjing dan tiada satu pun hadis yang menyebut khinzir.

3. Majoriti ulama berpendapat bahawa khinzir tidak memerlukan basuhan sebanyak tujuh kali. Inilah merupakan pendapat Imam Syafi'e. Inilah merupakan pendapat yang KUAT dari segi dalil. Imam al-Nawawi menyokong pendapat majoriti para ulama iaitu kenajisan khinzir hanya dibasuh seperti najis yang lain tanpa memerlukan tujuh kali air dan tanah.

5. tiada dalil yang menyatakan khinzir wajib dibasuh sebanyak tujuh kali dan termasuk satu kali air tanah.

6. sesuatu perkara tidak wajib melainkan adanya dalil syarak

7. Pendapat majoriti ulama ini di samping lebih kuat, ia juga lebih memudahkan kita berurusan terutama bagi yang makan di hotel, kapalterbang, bertandang ke rumah jiran atau kenalan bukan muslim kerana bahan ataupun unsur khinzir mungkin sering digunakan oleh mereka. Demikian apabila kita berjalan di tempat awam yang mana bahan khinzir terdedah di mana-mana pada hari ini.

8. ...majoriti para ulama, khinzir memadai dibersihkan sehingga hilang bau, warna dan rasa. Apabila tiada kesan tersebut pada peralatan makanan, tempat duduk, pakaian dan seumpamanya maka dikira sebagai bersih.

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jan 11 2023, 01:29 PM)
If its healthy, why is it banned?
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You are most probably trying to create disharmony in k so I am not going to entertain it. But if you are not, then I really hope that in one day you can finally think logically and realized religion will bring you nowhere.
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QUOTE(eddystorm @ Jan 11 2023, 03:29 PM)
You are most probably trying to create disharmony in k so I am not going to entertain it. But if you are not, then I really hope that in one day you can finally think logically and realized religion will bring you nowhere.
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Create disharmony? Lmao.

You guys simply fail to recognise individual freedom and the right for someone to choose what's right and wrong.


Everything must have government intervention, everything must be controlled.

But when someone else try to shove their nose in your business, all get triggered and mengelupur.


PuAS say ban arak and babi, the usual response is when ban rokok and ketum lmao.

Why is it that we must go around banning and restricting what an individual can or cannot do?

What I'm doing is just holding a mirror and showing the hypocrisy.


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QUOTE(Hanzeviera @ Jan 11 2023, 03:59 PM)
Beribu ribu tahniah ts your bait tered mengena kek
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2023 apa sarahan bbq pit

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