Hello sifu and taikos,
I recently started working back and currently using my workers bike that I bought for him ebonus 110 sym. So I plan to get a bike below 5.5k benchmark.

Criteria:
-not shaky/vibration (no.1)
-wanna feel sum powa pick up (if can lah)
-in around city area
-85% highway usage (no.2)
-do not prefer scooter
-easily overtake lorry if need be
-i don't want it to be a heavy bike
-having space to put stuff is also quite nice but what do I know..
-180cm ppl, 60kg
-want a laid back bike rather than have to bend. I already feeling like unkle even tho teenager at heart also.

Is Sym fv3i ok? Honestly I am a car ppl only. But now quite shiok go bike to work. My point is idk nuts about bike.
Tq for coming to my ted talk 🙏🏻

VF3i got a lot of people complain about fuel pump. Want to get below 5.5k also a bit hard unless you're looking at bikes that have illegal status marks on them (lari kedai, piang owner, etc)

For that money your choices are:

KTM Duke 200
Modenas Pulsar NS200
Yamaha FZ150
GPX 150cc bikes (Not recommended due to spare parts issue)
Early Keeway cruisers (Check whether your area has service center or not first)
KTNS rebadged Zongshen trash
Benelli RFS150, 150s (150s not recommended, underpowered engine carrying 150kg lmao)
Older LC135s

You're mostly looking at single cylinder bikes so vibrations will definitely be a thing. Wear gloves or install rubber grips to buff them out. Top up around 2 to 2.5k can get older Kawasaki Z250 or Ninja 250. Parallel twin engine means less vibrations, engine has been in Malaysian market for a long time already so spare parts is not going to be an issue.

This post has been edited by iambryan1234: Dec 2 2022, 07:52 AM

5.5k is hard.
Honda wave 110 is on that price. But the vibration will make you numb.

So yeah. It's better if you just stick with with you have or. Spend a bit more for a better option.

5.5k is a budget option. Not great but solid option if you can ignore some of the downside

Thank you guys for your opinions.
The bikes you share quite sporty I think about heavy and maneuver wise.
Yea I really cannot tahan the vibration.. makes me tired when come back cuz of unintentionally exercise .. I actually don't mind also scooter but orang say second hand takut not good condition hard to detect. What is best budget for normal bike but v good vibration control. Damn tired sia

Naked bike with two cylinder is your friend, seating position upright deswai i recommend go topup and get a z250 if you focus on vibration and want second hand bike. Any bike will be heavy to maneuver from standstill, even my two stroke Dinamik (98kg!) was heavy before it got going. You'd certainly be familiar with that feeling if you drove a Datsun or pre E100 series Toyota Corollas. Once the bike has some momentum you will not feel the weight that much unless you're riding 170-180kg or more.

Every cub bike is going to have vibration because they're all single cylinder engines. KTM and Modenas 200s have engineering that sort of cancels out the vibrations at certain rev point but you're still going to feel them, just not as bad as on a typical cub bike (having a full bike frame also helps).

The Modenas Pulsar 200 is heavier because of poorer quality materials used but that does make it more stable on highway, SYM VF3i is not exactly that light either compared to KTM's Duke 200



For your comparison, left side is VF3i specs, right side is an article released by MotoMalaya for 2014 Duke 200.



This is what the actual seating position looks like. As with any bike (including cubs), shifting your weight further back down the seat puts you at a lean angle since you would be sitting on the curve at that point. But otherwise, your position will still be upright if you are sitting on the bike normally. You can also consider a used Modenas V15. Spare parts are still easily found as long as you are within Klang Valley.

If you don't mind buying brand new can consider Keeway 250 or WMOTO V16. Both are heavy, yes. But it doesn't matter that much because they're low height cruisers with laid back seating position. GPX Legend 250 also might be good (not a cruiser, but follows classic standard motorcycle design of having upright position) but again, spare parts availability may be an issue. I see KTNS also just released a new slew of rebadged Zongshen cruiser bikes, haven't tried those before so can't comment on them but as with anything from Zongshen, chances are electronics are going to fail pretty quickly. All you need to do is look at the amount of new Modenas Kriss that have faulty signal indicators.

Or just stick to your current SM 110 and wear thicker gloves, install rubber grips. Or you can consider earlier Honda RS150 or Yamaha LC135.

Maybe go try sitting on some of the bikes first, see whether you like the ergonomics or not.

This post has been edited by iambryan1234: Dec 2 2022, 07:49 PM

Thank you so much for the clarification. I had no idea weight distribution and seating position varies from bike to bike. I mean I know but didn't understand v well haha. I also thought cub bikes are best and sporty bikes are for show. Clearly idk what I am talking about. Haha

I still have my demak D7 I go do some make up lah when bujang that time but this bike so vibrate makes me feel like sitting on massage chair..
And the heat...

I belanja u one pic





I like the KTM design and it looks like a comfortable seating position. Ultimately confirm need to sit and test la. Recommended testing how long should I be on the bike lol

How long you sit varies, focus on trying to see whether the distance of the handlebar and yourself and the lean angle fits you or not. Also check whether the stock cushion comes with sufficient padding for your use case. KTMs may be fine for shorter commutes but if you're commuting to KL from Seremban, you might want to consider Pulsar instead for more relaxed ergonomics and better padding.

Demaks and lower end SYMs are not as refined so vibrations will definitely be more pronounced. Then again, with your budget you're mainly looking at single cylinder (big internal explosion, much low end torque) bikes so you will still need to deal with vibrations as opposed to bikes with multiple cylinders (Smaller explosions spread between two or more cylinders so vibrations not as pronounced, smoother power delivery,)

I go see la if I can korek tabung someore but explanation on vibration wise is v detail and comprehensive. Tq.
I will travel day day Shah alam to Rawang there and ya the handle bar area plays a role too. But I like the fact that cub bike v nimble. Ah we can't have it all haha

I'll try the KTM , LC and rs150 see how.
Thanks bro

Just to chime in since V15 was mentioned. I would not recommend it. The gearing is catered for the indian market and hence it would struggle to hold speed at 80kmh or higher. Add to the fact that TS wants to ride highway, i would not recommend it. Its just too slow for highway use. Ronda-ronda around taman or on the back roads V15 is ok.

Good luck TS.. 5.5k your choices are much but hopefully u can find something 👍

Anything from the Indian market is geared too low for us. That's what they want for the local market. Top speed is not important for them.

My dominar is stupidly low geared as well. Need to sprocket it down 3 teeth for it to be ridable highway. If not, 130kph is a vibration fest@7500rpm.

Thank you for the feedback. Ya I don't think I'll be eyeing for v15. Actually might also consider to lessen the vibration on D7.

Earlier comments were to recommend me to have rubber grips and wearing gloves. Does it also help if I get a steering damper ? Slack of D7 is the tires damn big and can only go 80 max lol.

Heat wise, is it normal for naked bike or is it because it's old bike..

FZ50i.. cheap 2nd hand.

Depends on condition overhaul/do it up / mod it. Everything very affordable.

Very good machine. Vroom all the way.

Put in hdeo oil...best!

Air/Oil cooled bikes tend to run hotter, but you should never feel scorching heat at your feet, or anywhere at all. At most it should feel like warm water steam.

If it gets hot that it becomes somewhat unbearable, you might have a heat management issue.

I have not tried using steering dampers before so not sure whether those work at sorting out vibrations.

This post has been edited by iambryan1234: Dec 3 2022, 08:51 PM

Steering damper doesn't damp vibrations.

What you can do is try fitting heavier bar ends, softer grips and wear padded gloves.. That's the extent you can do on a kapchai. On a bigger bike with a handlebar, you can fit bar risers with vibration dampeners. Basically some rubber or silicon O rings or washers.

If you are stuck with a single, vibration will be a thing. The bigger the engine, the stronger the vibration. It's just what it is.


As for heat, try riding a big engined KTM or Harley and you will know what heat is. Small singles just dont produce a lot of heat to begin with.

for that budget, VF3.

If can accept little bit of vibration and less space, Pulsar/Duke.

KTM duke 200 V1 will feel hot air on the left leg due to the exhaust pipe design.

Don't worry about the heat, or vibration.. as long you didn't lock the throttle full every time, small cc bikes have a bearable non-nerve-wracking vibration..

For your budget and added stability get the Bajaj/Modenas Pulsar

PS: I commuted with a Harley Sportster 1200 before, so I was quite familiar with the vibration and heat generated by the bike..

This post has been edited by ajaibman: Dec 10 2022, 07:49 PM