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TSVirlution
post Nov 28 2022, 09:00 AM, updated 4y ago

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Previously old router, didnt get it to work seamlessly, now with a new WIFI-6 router, also didnt get it to work properly, so after trialing for 1-2 weeks decided to turn it off.

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If router is place in living room, everything good, most device will link up on 5Ghz and everything working fine. Rooms at edge or toilets will get very weak signal or no signal. So cannot work.

Router place back at the hallway/walkway location, everywhere getting decent coverage.
Problem happens when you are at the edge or where 5Ghz signal start to drop off and you will get occasion issue where no signal and the wifi drop the 5Ghz and connect to 2.4Ghz and cant find anyway to go around this problem. So switched off band steering and manually connect to either 5Ghz signal or 2.4Ghz signal.

Also did manual channel settings, find an unused channel and use that band.
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:09 AM

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Tried extender or mesh?
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:10 AM

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hello, it helpdesk speaking.

tbh depends on your house, maybe single router enough, but have strong antenna, triband and setting to reduce constant switching is important too.
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:11 AM

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Mesh is a good idea for your case. Perhaps you wanna explore it.

There a limit one single consumer router can do. Even with the best brand or multi antennas.
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 28 2022, 09:00 AM)
Previously old router, didnt get it to work seamlessly, now with a new WIFI-6 router, also didnt get it to work properly, so after trialing for 1-2 weeks decided to turn it off.

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If router is place in living room, everything good, most device will link up  on 5Ghz and everything working fine. Rooms at edge or toilets will get very weak signal or no signal. So cannot work.

Router place back at the hallway/walkway location, everywhere getting decent coverage.
Problem happens when you are at the edge or where 5Ghz signal start to drop off and you will get occasion issue where no signal and the wifi drop the 5Ghz and connect to 2.4Ghz and cant find anyway to go around this problem. So switched off band steering and manually connect to either 5Ghz signal or 2.4Ghz signal.

Also did manual channel settings, find an unused channel and use that band.
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2.4ghz penetrates wall better than 5ghz even thought band rate is lower.


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post Nov 28 2022, 09:23 AM

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Mesh wifi oso can get free but with 2years contract la
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 28 2022, 09:00 AM)
Previously old router, didnt get it to work seamlessly, now with a new WIFI-6 router, also didnt get it to work properly, so after trialing for 1-2 weeks decided to turn it off.

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If router is place in living room, everything good, most device will link up  on 5Ghz and everything working fine. Rooms at edge or toilets will get very weak signal or no signal. So cannot work.

Router place back at the hallway/walkway location, everywhere getting decent coverage.
Problem happens when you are at the edge or where 5Ghz signal start to drop off and you will get occasion issue where no signal and the wifi drop the 5Ghz and connect to 2.4Ghz and cant find anyway to go around this problem. So switched off band steering and manually connect to either 5Ghz signal or 2.4Ghz signal.

Also did manual channel settings, find an unused channel and use that band.
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Try bridge mode

You need mesh router
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:25 AM

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Sound like you need MESH wifi.
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 28 2022, 09:00 AM)
Previously old router, didnt get it to work seamlessly, now with a new WIFI-6 router, also didnt get it to work properly, so after trialing for 1-2 weeks decided to turn it off.

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If router is place in living room, everything good, most device will link up  on 5Ghz and everything working fine. Rooms at edge or toilets will get very weak signal or no signal. So cannot work.

Router place back at the hallway/walkway location, everywhere getting decent coverage.
Problem happens when you are at the edge or where 5Ghz signal start to drop off and you will get occasion issue where no signal and the wifi drop the 5Ghz and connect to 2.4Ghz and cant find anyway to go around this problem. So switched off band steering and manually connect to either 5Ghz signal or 2.4Ghz signal.

Also did manual channel settings, find an unused channel and use that band.
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You have to understand that no matter how powerful is your router, your device is one of the limitation. Your router can blast and reach to the device but the device power is lower and unable to reach the router in the end it wont work. So is two ways communication.

Mesh is your best bet.
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Nov 28 2022, 09:09 AM)
Tried extender or mesh?
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turn off band steering, just manually connect to the band resolve the problem, why need to use extender or mesh.

Anyway these devices dont work properly as well, better off using Ethernet over power and place another AP
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(adamtayy @ Nov 28 2022, 09:25 AM)
Try bridge mode

You need mesh router
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Bridge is not mesh.
But bridge is better because performance drop is less
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:53 AM

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Wifi 6 has been out for a couple years by now.

Im gonna get some top of the line ac routers for cheap now
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:55 AM

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There this small office in KL decide renovate their place by partitioning their place to make it more nicer and more privacy.
Once the renovator done the job during weekend, the next monday all worker have a big trouble.

The partition wall block all the 5G wifi. Staff pc/laptop no signal.
The ISP provider came and say wifi+router no problem. Its your partition wall. and left.

Give them solution
a) chop of half of partition - not 100%
b) get multiple wifi/extender - 100% work
c) remove all partition like previously
d) move all staff to nearer wifi
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post Nov 28 2022, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(hantu1911 @ Nov 28 2022, 09:55 AM)
There this small office in KL decide renovate their place by partitioning their place to make it more nicer and more privacy.
Once the renovator done the job during weekend, the next monday all worker have a big trouble.

The partition wall block all the 5G wifi. Staff pc/laptop no signal.
The ISP provider came and say wifi+router no problem. Its your partition wall. and left.

Give them solution
a) chop of half of partition - not 100%
b) get multiple wifi/extender - 100% work
c) remove all partition like previously
d) move all staff to nearer wifi
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Or just get a more powderful router.

My company stuck with the junk dlink trashcan router and the range is barely half of what I achieved at home with TUF-5400
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 28 2022, 09:53 AM)
Wifi 6 has been out for a couple years by now.

Im gonna get some top of the line ac routers for cheap now
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What do you mean AC? AX la. Even me using cheapo Mercusys is very happy with the Wifi performance.
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Nov 28 2022, 10:01 AM)
What do you mean AC? AX la. Even me using cheapo Mercusys is very happy with the Wifi performance.
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Why AX when residential internet speeds dont even exceed 1mbps
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 28 2022, 10:06 AM)
Why AX when residential internet speeds dont even exceed 1mbps
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It’s a better tech vs ac, better range and bandwidth.
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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 28 2022, 10:06 AM)
Why AX when residential internet speeds dont even exceed 1mbps
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Because it is cheaper than buying AC equipment. laugh.gif
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Nov 28 2022, 10:07 AM)
It’s a better tech vs ac, better range and bandwidth.
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This applies to all ax or mid to high end router?

I already got mesh. Might not see much benefit unless ax renders all of the mesh obsolete in my house because superior range

QUOTE(netmatrix @ Nov 28 2022, 10:07 AM)
Because it is cheaper than buying AC equipment.  laugh.gif
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Ac previous gen, confirm cheaper

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post Nov 28 2022, 10:12 AM

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Had no issue after upgrading to ax86u this is before jilake unifi gib free wifi6 router. But then upgrade to 500Mbps they gib deco m9 plus I dunno what to do with it and just put it randomly in the house and connect the robot vacuum and other appliances to it.
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 28 2022, 09:00 AM)
Previously old router, didnt get it to work seamlessly, now with a new WIFI-6 router, also didnt get it to work properly, so after trialing for 1-2 weeks decided to turn it off.

user posted image

If router is place in living room, everything good, most device will link up  on 5Ghz and everything working fine. Rooms at edge or toilets will get very weak signal or no signal. So cannot work.

Router place back at the hallway/walkway location, everywhere getting decent coverage.
Problem happens when you are at the edge or where 5Ghz signal start to drop off and you will get occasion issue where no signal and the wifi drop the 5Ghz and connect to 2.4Ghz and cant find anyway to go around this problem. So switched off band steering and manually connect to either 5Ghz signal or 2.4Ghz signal.

Also did manual channel settings, find an unused channel and use that band.
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Are you desperately to get the 5GHz, as long it is connected to 2.4GHz should ok that able to get the internet. But if you really want the 5GHz on your toilet, go get the mesh but you also need to understand the limitation of mesh wifi
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:14 AM

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i can get 100mbps in all my rooms enough.

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post Nov 28 2022, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 28 2022, 10:11 AM)
This applies to all ax or mid to high end router?

I already got mesh. Might not see much benefit unless ax renders all of the mesh obsolete in my house because superior range
Ac previous gen, confirm cheaper
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My Mercusys MR70X cost RM160 last year. You can buy it at RM140 today if you look around. Some of the higher end AX and AX routers have price difference of +/- </> RM100 between brands. It would not hurt to get AX at this point.
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Nov 28 2022, 10:18 AM)
My Mercusys MR70X cost RM160 last year. You can buy it at RM140 today if you look around. Some of the higher end AX and AX routers have price difference of +/- </> RM100 between brands. It would not hurt to get AX at this point.
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Or make your life easier, get Asus router.

You can retire and mesh the old asus router with new router when new techs came out.
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:20 AM

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I use 20m ethernet wire connect to a second router in AP mode.
For 2.4ghz, I use non-overlapping channel 1/6/11 20mhz.
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post Nov 28 2022, 10:21 AM

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What I notice is my speed on wifi after upgrading gets 240Mbps+ to 300Mbps if all planets align. Def upgrade to AX
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post Nov 28 2022, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(dyenjarin @ Nov 28 2022, 10:14 AM)
Are you desperately to get the 5GHz, as long it is connected to 2.4GHz should ok that able to get the internet. But if you really want the 5GHz on your toilet, go get the mesh but you also need to understand the limitation of mesh wifi
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With band steering, you cannot control if you log on the 5ghz or 2.4ghz band as it automatically do it for you.

So no I turn off band steering I can manually control


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post Nov 28 2022, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 28 2022, 01:37 PM)
With band steering, you cannot control if you log on the 5ghz or 2.4ghz band as it automatically do it for you.

So no I turn off band steering I can manually control
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Enterprise products have a setting where you can say what is the acceptable signal strength before you are being 'steered' to the 2.4GHz band. I don't know if the product you are using has such a setting though.

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That being said, I don't think it's worth hanging onto the 5GHz band if the signal is not great.
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post Nov 28 2022, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Nov 28 2022, 01:47 PM)
Enterprise products have a setting where you can say what is the acceptable signal strength before you are being 'steered' to the 2.4GHz band. I don't know if the product you are using has such a setting though.

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That being said, I don't think it's worth hanging onto the 5GHz band if the signal is not great.
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there are some basic settings, I saw it but I didnt want to be bothered fine tuning it.....

without band steering, I can manually go on 5Ghz SSID if need the bandwidth to do big file transfer
2.4 is good enough
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post Nov 28 2022, 01:57 PM

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last time had this issue. Router dual band but most of the time my hp&pc only connect with the 5g band. biggest headache when many device connect at once. Line will drop or cannot find wireless. Had to restart router most of the time. Then i change to mesh deco M9. Bit expensive but i dont have the headache like before. 20 device connected at once also no lagging.
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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Nov 28 2022, 01:57 PM)
last time had this issue. Router dual band but most of the time my hp&pc only connect with the 5g band. biggest headache when many device connect at once. Line will drop or cannot find wireless. Had to restart router most of the time. Then i change to mesh deco M9. Bit expensive but i dont have the headache like before. 20 device connected at once also no lagging.
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I should have close to 20 device, but not all consume lot of bandwidth.... 4 hp, 4 ipads, few PC/laptop, AV sutffs, chormecast, google, 2 smart lights, 2 camera

old router dont have this feature, so no problem, new router got this feature, initially using was good but start noticing intermittent issues, so now turned off... back to old 2 ssid

 

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