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post Feb 8 2023, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Feb 7 2023, 10:19 PM)
Just asking my earlier questions for everyone benefit.
How do you confirm that you believe in the actual Jesus.
Even Muslims also say they believe in Jesus.
So what makes your Jesus different then the Jesus believed by the Muslims.
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The Jesus of the Muslims was born to Miriam that was confused with the sister of Aaron and Moses. On the other hand, even though they call Isa as al-Masih (Messiah), they do not accept Him as such but just like the other prophets.
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post Mar 8 2023, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 7 2023, 07:23 PM)
None of the saints are in heaven yet.
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This is interesting. Is that the general Protestant understanding? Or is it peculiar to some particular denominations only?
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post Mar 9 2023, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 8 2023, 02:52 PM)
What is your understanding?
Presumably Roman theology is purgatory.
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For the OT saints, the general theological speculation is that they were in limbus patrum (limbo of the Fathers) awaiting Christ to open Heaven for them.

Purgatory is another topic altogether.
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post Mar 9 2023, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 9 2023, 12:20 PM)
From purgatory changed to limbo, but same thing.

Pope Benedict XVI asked to change the name, right?
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Not the same thing at all.

Limbo of the Fathers ceased to exist when Christ descended into Hell (not the Hell of the damned) after His crucifixion to lead the OT saints out.

Purgatory on the other hand is the place of expiatory purification for souls that died in the state of grace but still have imperfections before they can enter heaven to see God (the Beatific Vision)

BTW, the animal sacrifices of the OT are not sufficient for salvation. Only God Himself can offer the perfect sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins, because sin is an infinite outrage towards the infinite God, and only God can repair such an outrage.

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post Mar 9 2023, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2023, 01:29 PM)
Limbo is equivalent to soul sleep?
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I looked up what soul sleep means but it indicates Christian mortalism. For us, the soul is immortal. “Soul sleep” is a belief that after a person dies, his/her soul “sleeps” until the resurrection and final judgment.

Catholics do not believe in "soul sleep". At death, the Particular Judgement occurs (called Particular because it is for that particular soul) where one's soul is already judged. This is different from the General Judgement at the end of the world where everyone who have ever lived in the past or are still living will be resurrected body and soul combined and face judgement at the Second Coming. At the General Judgement, God's perfect justice and mercy will be seen by everyone and everyone will understand why God's judgement is just. At the end of time, those who are damned will be punished both body and soul while the just will similarly enjoy beatitude in both body and soul.

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post Jul 26 2023, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 25 2023, 03:45 PM)
And regardless of how many denominations there are, Jesus still remains the only way to God the Father.

This is what all Christians should hold on to that unite in faith.

It's what Christ wanted anyway. (John 17:21)

IMO, Denominations happened not because of God but because of us as flawed human beings.

You can trace back in church history the first denomination happened because of Martin Luther who argued Salvation is by grace against what Roman Catholic had err in making Salvation by indulgence (corrupted to paying money even). => FALSE. There were earlier heresies long before Luther came about. And the Catholic Church doesn't teach what you claimed it teaches.

Then from there, it branched out to Lutheran, Reformed, Anabaptist, and Anglican. From here it grew to even more denominations.

IE, Lutheran from Martin Luther and was based on his teachings, likewise Methodist from John Wesley, and so forth you have Baptist, etc.

The point of these divisions is never Christ as Lord and Savior, but rather honest differences of opinion by godly (albeit flawed), people on secondary doctrine like Baptism, etc.

For me personally I'm not too bothered by such division.

What is important is to have an active relationship with God, read the Bible and learn to grow with the Holy Spirit.
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post Jul 31 2023, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 31 2023, 01:04 AM)
Wait a minute ... Repentance = Work of the Holy Spirit, which you trust God to do the work in you ?

My limited understanding is something like this, in chronological order but please feel free to amend the order according to your understanding.

1. Unbeliever living in sin
2. Hears the Gospel
3. Repents, means the unbeliever decides for himself to turn away from one's sin and towards God instead
4. Receives the Baptism of Water
5. Baptized believer begins to learn the ways of the Lord
6. Baptized believer will & still struggles with sin, living on earth
7. As the baptized learns to love God and His Holiness more & more, the more the baptized starts to despise sin
8. Once the training is completed, the Baptized will then receive the Baptism of Fire from God according to God's will
9. Good works of the Holy Spirit from hereonwards i.e. signs & wonders are all done is by the Holy Spirit and the Baptized is just a vessel & instrument of the Lord in doing God's will. The baptized is only a servant, for He must increase and i decrease.

Can't wait to hear from you, on the teaching of other Christian denominations. Bro Prophetjul if you are from another denomination or even if you are a Catholic or any other Catholic for that matter and you have a different chronological order, please let me know. Manatau I silap ke.
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What is baptism of fire? If you are Catholic, what are your thoughts on the Sacrament of Confirmation?
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post Aug 18 2023, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(GaunterO'Dimm @ Aug 17 2023, 06:47 PM)
today i just learned something new

and i am shocked to my core because i am an ex-catholic

and i thought everyone believe in penal substitution

however now i learned catholic never believe truly that Jesus died for your sins  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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https://catholicstand.com/the-problems-with...ution-teaching/

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 5 2024, 10:50 PM)
I am interested to know what teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospel that is outrageous etc etc according to this rabbi. If his claims of outrageous etc etc has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or His teachings at all, but about a few women at the cross or the church or the Roman Empire anything else that is not important, well he deserved to be ignored. Waste of bandwidth aje this rabbi. However it would be interesting to know if this rabbi is ashame and rejects the real Rabbi Jesus Christ himself.
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Saul of Tarsus was also a rabbi who persecuted followers of Jesus until his own conversion. Just saying...
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 6 2024, 11:38 PM)


A man cannot forgive another man's sins but in Christianity teachings they claimed Jesus's sacrifice took away all of man's sins and paid the price.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (NKJV)
Ezekiel 18:21-22 (NKJV)
Bible clearly states that no man can die for the sins of others. But Jesus sent by God as the son of man claimed to do so. Isn't that contradicting as said by the Rabbi?


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Taking verses out of context.

Yes, every person is responsible for their own sin. However, there are also sins causes by parents giving bad example or teaching bad things to their children. Also original sin caused by our first parents:

Deut 5:9
Thou shalt not adore them, and thou shalt not serve them. For I am the Lord thy God, a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon their children unto the third and fourth generation, to them that hate me,

Ps 50:7
For behold I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 7 2024, 08:20 PM)
So if let's say you're a convicted serial murderer or rapist sentenced to death for your crimes, can someone receive your death sentence on behalf of you and take over your criminal records? Also involving every convict out there awaiting death sentence just by his single death sentence, their sins are pardoned with a clean slate/records? This is an insane idea.

For a person who doesn't repent of his sins of course the curse will follow down his post generations to come.

The idea of Jesus alone is already a contradictory to what the Bible teaches and that is all to what Deuteronomy 24:16 meant.
He claimed to be sent down as a son of man(literally meaning he was a man walking on earth) how can his (one)sacrifice take away other men sins because no mans can take away another man's sin.

Now why didn't God just sent his son directly from the heaven instead of going through a woman's womb through labor and allowed him to be sacrificed infront of all Jews as witness that he wasn't man but God himself to save humanity. Won't that be a better narrative that will clear every one's doubt that he wasn't a prostitute's child with an untold worldly father? Isn't God almighty and could see the consequences of the future without flaws?

If every criminal or sinner can just have their sins pardoned and achieve salvation by just believing in him and receiving him into their lives then heaven will be a place filled with murderers, rapists and convicts rather than a paradise.

I wouldn't want to go to such heaven, it's much worse than the current life here on earth because you're going to meet bad hats all over for eternity. laugh.gif

The verses you quoted has nothing to do with resolving personal sin, you're just attempting to instill more guilt into people and sell the flawed idea that one man's sacrifice can clear their records. This is false hope.

The Rabbi made it very clear and logic to everyone, why go through a prince when you can directly contact the all seeing/powerful King?
Christianity only centers around the prince and that's where it falls short.
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First of all, Jesus is not just man but also God.

Secondly, there was no pain of labour involved but let's leave it for another day. No it's not better just because you think it's better. His suffering shows that He is Man, His rising from the dead shows that He is also God. Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

And thirdly the verses I quoted are all from the Old Testament.

If Judaism is still valid, why was the Temple allowed to be destroyed and the sacrifices ceased?

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 8 2024, 01:09 PM)
Anyone can also make that bold statement that he is God but he is still conceived in a womb and delivered through labor.
Don't be delusional and twist your ridiculous assumptions again, the Rabbis will pick every statement you make and ridicule you even further when you said there was no labour involved.

55 Versus That Proved Jesus Was Born In The Manger
https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_born_in_the_manger

That makes him clearly a "MAN". No arguments there as it is obvious, he still eats, sleeps and defecate like all other man.

No man shall take the place and the sins made by another man, not even between a "Father and Son" relation.
The Bible clearly mentioned that explicitly in the same book where the Ten Commandments is found: Deuteronomy Chapter 5

Deuteronomy 24:16 (NKJV)
Jesus the Son of Man came to take away the sins of men with his sacrifice and paid the price for all sinners?

What could go wrong with the sentence?

Why do you still go through the Prince when you can directly go straight to the Almighty Father and ask for repentance and forgiveness?
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Why are you still quoting that one verse out of context and ignoring others of the Old Testament?
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 10 2024, 02:20 PM)
Do you agree now that the Bible is inconsistent and controversial when preachers like you start arguing about interpretations?

Don't just take it from me, even fellow Jewish scholar Rabbis have confirmed it by themselves. It has been continuously altered for the past 2000 years by the Romans and gullible religious men who manipulate society.


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The keyword is context. Many can quote, but may not understand. You are not the first one.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 14 2024, 02:29 PM)
This Pastor condemned the Roman Catholics and claimed that the Pope said there is no Hell laugh.gif

The Jews and Protestants call your faith a pagan religion with documentaries showing you a necropolis pagan temple underneath your Pope's church.
Then another pastor claiming that Jesus was not the Messiah.
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Self-proclaimed pastors, imams, rabbis can condemn or claim whatever they want. So there's a necropolis or underground tomb underneath the church, so what? The early martyred Christians were buried there. If it was a temple underneath before, then worship of the True God took over pagan worship. Praise the Lord.
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Why not just simplify things by specifying which church both of you go to and then we can start from there rather than spamming the entire thread with copy & paste?

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Duh, so correct me if I'm wrong, but am I correct to say that lurkingaround is saying James preached falsehood in the Bible while zanness believes in OSAS? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 01:47 PM)
That’s the summary yes

So far there’s lack of Biblical discussion that says OSAS is wrong , while plenty of Bible verses that affirms your salvation.

Feel free to indulge me in verses that says you lose your faith.. I don’t mind repeating the Bible verses for discussion as long as it’s BIBLE BASED
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It's not either or. For me, salvation is an ongoing process that began when I was granted the grace to believe and ends when we see God for eternity in Heaven. It was John Calvin who started this belief of OSAS.

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 02:16 PM)
Salvation can’t be an ongoing process
For many biblical reasons and verses, but I’ll bring your attention to one

John 6:58,” This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.”
Bible says..,”he that eateth..” not as long as he eats… and the Bible says,”… shall live for ever.”

The notion of an ongoing salvation is the notion we had anything to contribute to our salvation to begin with.. when from the very start, we were just chosen out of mercy and grace..
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No, it means we have to accept and not opt out. We are rational human beings with free will. OSAS ultimately makes one a robot after switching the on button. There are plenty of verses that says we need to persevere.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Aug 1 2024, 02:54 PM)
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So, what is your comment/opinion on the false doctrine of "Once saved, always saved" or OSAS, which 'unknown warrior' taught.?
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The problem I noticed with unknown warrior is more on antinomianism, which is related to OSAS, but not exactly the same.

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 03:23 PM)
Falls back to 2 Corinthians 5:17,"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
1 John 3:9

A person who continues in sin , is probably not saved to begin with..
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In that case it it pointless to introduce OSAS since one cannot know the final state of the person in this life. As to that verse, we have a different understanding from that of Calvinists.

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