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post Aug 1 2024, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 03:22 PM)
Let's be fair, Accepting to eat, yes, but it did not say opting out..
Persevere yes, but when you read on WHY you persevere, in the bible verses itself, its normally related to persecution, false doctrine..
and lets look at the word persevere.. which in Greek is hypomone, in other words also mean ENDURANCE... ENDURE.. so yes we persevere to the worldly matters and dangers.. but no where does it say persevere to not lose your salvation..
I've once more posted tons of verses about this in my most recent reply to the lurkingaround fella.. you can pick it up from there..
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Well, if you stop eating, you will also die sooner or later.
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post Aug 1 2024, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 05:07 PM)
Sorry i dont understand either.. that is exactly what the bible say that a person will die if you CHOOSE to eat manna.. and the whole point is to say God's salvation , unlike FOOD, gives eternal life..
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That's not the same understanding that I have about that verse. Manna is only for the people during their sojourn in the Old Testament, while Christ gave Himself as our food (and drink).
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post Aug 1 2024, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 05:48 PM)
Yes i agree to that..
But I dont see where you can stop eating.. especially when we know
John 4:14,"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

Its very similar analogies.. where food, water, is everlasting with no condition..
When Jesus said this, He did say drink my water continuously or any sort that would suggest you stop drinking, or lose your salvation.
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For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
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post Aug 2 2024, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 06:12 PM)
Excellent choice of verse!
A very common verse to be used during the Lord's Supper.
But what about the results of unworthily ?

same chapter.
1 Corinthians 11: 29,30,"For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.  For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."

Right?? so now.. focus on v30..
"....Many are weak.."
"...and sickly among you,.."
"..and many sleep."
Weak, Sickly, SLEEP!!
Nothing here suggests losing salvation either.. in fact more of reassuring it..

Do you know why in the Bible, SLEEP are for Christians?
There's a whole load of verses on it.. SLEEP..
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What does damnation means to you?
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post Aug 2 2024, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Aug 1 2024, 07:00 PM)
Are you not aware that yeeck is an R.C. ?

Why would you agree with him? We are protestants!
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Even among the various protestant groups there are different interpretations and different doctrines and practices. E.g. Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Methodists, etc accepts infant baptism, while Baptists, Pentecostals, AOG does not .
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 10:45 AM)
Very good.. We can discuss biblically in this approach..
1 Corinthians 11: 29,30,"For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.  For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."
DAMNATION... the best way to define it is to refer to the original greek text... KRIMA
which means
- Judgement/judgementS
- condemnation of wrong (severe or mild)

And if you would think this means "hell".. Remember. the Bible do not contradict itself..
Krima again can mean judgement of any kind/kindS.. not necessarily hell.. and in 1 Corinthians 11:29,30, we know its definitely NOT Hell because ? "....weak and sickly among you, and many sleep"
FOR THIS CAUSE.. it's an explanation of the 'KRIMA' received..

Hope the above enlightens you..
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Having damnation [Greek: krima] because they have made void their first faith” (1 Tim. 5:12)

“Therefore he that resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God.And they that resist, purchase to themselves damnation [Greek: krima]” (Rom. 13:2)

Making void their first faith, meaning they have not kept the faith when they first believed and resisting lawful authority, renders one to receive KRIMA. Also without faith it is impossible to please God as Heb 11:6 goes.

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 11:29 AM)
I wont go into the details of your understanding for each of those verses yet..
but to remind you on the definition of KRIMA..
I have also cross checked all 'damnations' or 'Krima'.. it is indeed as defined below..
- Judgement/judgementS
- condemnation of wrong (severe or mild)


Due to that, there's a need to read 1 Timothy 5 to understand the 'Krima', and Romans 13:2, for what their 'Krima' is.
But one thing is clear, Krima as shown in Romans 2:2 clearly shows the example Krima is used for JUDGEMENT.. not HELL

Romans 2:2 ,"But we are sure that the judgment (κρίμα/Krima) of God is according to truth against them which commit such things."
1 Corinthians 6:7,"Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law (κρίμα/Krima) one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?"

Bible DO NOT contradict itself..
"...For this cause,.....weak... sickly among you.. sleep.."

Hope that clarifies your understanding on DAMNATION and KRIMA
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I never said the Bible contradicts itself, for that I agree with you. What you mentioned shows the different degrees of judgement and condemnation, else it wouldn't make sense for some to be weak or sickly or some even dies a physical death (sleep). Now tell me, if the classic Protestant understanding of the Lord's Supper is merely a symbol, why could it cause different degrees of judgement and condemnation for people receiving unworthily? Since Krima is also used for those not keeping the faith, I do not see how your understanding is in harmony with Scripture.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 01:46 PM)
Let's breakdown your reply into a few segments if you allow me to.
1. classic Protestant understanding of the Lord's Supper is merely a symbol

I don't think you understand fully the Lord's Supper
1 Corinthians 11:24," And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me."
"...in remembrance of me."
1 Corinthians 11:26,"For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come."
"...shew the Lord's death till he come."
1 Corinthians 11:29,"For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."
"....not discerning the Lord's body."

all your questions are answered in the Bible itself.
- Its not merely a symbol, its done in remembrance to show Lord's death.
- it causes different degrees of judgement, because the person show no discern of the Lord's body

2. Since Krima is also used for those not keeping the faith, I do not see how your understanding is in harmony with Scripture.
The scriptures are in harmony.
Krima is judgement.
And in most cases about sin, or in the event of not believing in Jesus,  the 'Krima' is then elaborated further.
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Matthew 23:33,"..damnation of hell?"
Luke 20:47,".... greater damnation."
Romans 3:8,"...whose damnation is just."
John 5:29,"...unto the resurrection of damnation."
and so on..

You cant use an ADVERB or NOUN to represents HELL.
Like you cant just say HIGH or HIGHEST to say its surely heaven ? Right?
The only thing you can say is in JUDGEMENT.. its surely because of something WRONG..
like what you can say HIGH or HIGHEST.. is some place or some thing above.
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Your reply didn't answer the discrepancy of using Krima for different degrees of punishment, even that for not keeping the faith. So I'm not sure we are on the same page.

As for the Lord's body and blood not merely a symbol, you are actually in disagreement with most Protestants on this topic.

"Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord."

Now being guilty of the body and blood of the Lord equates to the guilt of murdering the Lord.

This has a parallel in the Old Testament. See Lev 7:20.

"If any one that is defiled shall eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which is offered to the Lord, he shall be cut off from his people."

Our true peace offering being the unblemished sacrificial lamb of the New Testament is Jesus who offered his body and blood. And Paul knew about this parallel in the OT since he was a staunch Pharisee persecuting Christians before his conversion. Similarly being cut off from God's people in the OT is similar to being damned (losing salvation) in the NT.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 02:59 PM)
so Galations 2:16 is wrong ?
Or Romans 6:14,"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."
or Galations 3:23,"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."
or  Galations 3:25,"But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

and if this verse isnt clear enough that LAW OF SACRIFICES are over?
Ephesians 2:15, "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:"

Feel free to share why you think the laws of sacrifices are still relevant during Lord's Supper

P/s. All of the above were written by Paul no?
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The OT law of sacrifice is no longer relevant because Christ has become the perfect sacrifice. However, the application as per the typology that was shown earlier remains. Whoever eats and drinks unworthily is guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

On the other hand, unknown warrior was saying that the OT moral laws such as the 10 commandments no longer stands. My position is that the moral law stands for all time, not the ritual/sacrifices/dietary laws of the OT. Because remember Christ raised the moral standard, not just by committing the sin but even thinking of committing the sin is sinful itself.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 2 2024, 03:17 PM)
i am sketchy on bible unlike you, but i seems to remember that holy communion is commanded by lord to be held as often as possible to remember Him

don't mind me, unlike you, i am not bible expert.
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If it is only for mere remembrance, then it is only a symbol for you. It is either a symbol, or it is really the body and blood of the Lord.
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I don't understand why some of you are wasting time arguing with someone that claims the Apostle James is a false teacher.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 2 2024, 02:41 PM)
some church think that if we treat holy sacrament - communion as blood and flesh of jesus, we are cannibal

this is coming from that unknown warrior last time i think

sometime very literal interpretation he use, some time mental gymnastic with tonnes of underlying meaning.
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The charge of cannibalism is an ancient charge by the Roman pagans against the early Christian teaching about the Eucharist.

Cannibals consume the flesh of a dead person in a way that diminishes and profanes the corpse. Through the sacrament of the Eucharist, Jesus freely gives himself to us; and we consume his living body, blood, soul, and divinity in a way that mysteriously and miraculously does not diminish him but instead enhances our spiritual life.
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QUOTE(Ruris @ Aug 5 2024, 10:36 PM)


I will just leave this here for the non believers that may be reading this thread for fun or curiosity (and saw the insane chaos that has been going on for pages).

2 main differences between how salvation is approached:

Type 1: Once you accepted Christ genuinely, youre saved. Done deal. Dont even need to know a single verse. (joking) Now you may continue your cheongster, whoring, cheating on your wife with yee lai, sam lai, going to genting, bribing, driving/parking your alfart like a dirtbag, etc cinapek behavior. Some call this Hyper grace.

Type 2:You need to fulfill a list of stuff to get your salvation + accepting Christ. Mostly RC/orthodox stuff. And you need to renew your salvation passport by continuously doing it.
-----> Type 3: This is the teaching put forth by Allen Parr, and I myself also in this category (before I saw this). Its similar to Type 1. But if youre genuine about being Christian. You will automatically be seeking the way, the truth and life. You may be guided by the holy spirit, or if youre the academics type, just do some research and study, use chatgpt, watch apologist videos (not those silly click bait type), watch sermon by other pastor (timothy keller, cliff knecthle). Now, go out and do some good, but at the same time, knowing that whatever good you do, its not to contribute to your salvation.

Christianity can be as deep and complex as you need it to be or as simple as accepting christ and slowly adding more to your christian life  (knowing that youre already saved, be at peace). And its bigger than what your own church tells you either (not a criticism, a church is still a complex organization with their own scandal and issues and can only provide 20minutes of knowledge per week).  You're given freewill to discern what is good, what's critical, what's optional.
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Type 2 is not as simple as that. For without Him we can do nothing. For that we need to continually knock and ask (aka prayer).

I am the vine: you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask whatever you will, and it shall be done unto you. In this is my Father glorified; that you bring forth very much fruit, and become my disciples. As the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you. Abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; as I also have kept my Father's commandments, and do abide in his love. (Jn 15:5-10)
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Is Grape Seed X the alter ego for the penyet guy?

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