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desmond2020
post Apr 17 2023, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Apr 17 2023, 05:31 AM)
Some people know about the chosen ones and can sense us, out of envy some of them try to convince us that we are no different, but some of them aid us because they want to be a part of it. I am not aware of any superior trait I have, I wasn’t even Christian and I’m not a bible hugger, maybe Christianity isn’t relevant at all, nobody knows why we are chosen except the universe itself
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so, what are you being chosen for?
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post Apr 24 2023, 07:26 AM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Apr 23 2023, 08:34 PM)
Why Jewish knowledge of REINCARNATION was kept SECRET


How To Know If You Are A REINCARNATION


If you deny idea of reincarnation, then how will Christ return again to this world?

Reincarnation! Is it Biblical? You Won't Believe What I'm About To Tell You


John Was Elijah


The Roman emperor did not want someone who claimed that he was reincarnated of Jesus or past Kings who could challenged him. He wanted ABSOLUTE authority and the make his sect the only pathway to salvation to afterlife.
The entire idea was manipulated by human to control the masses.
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Even John is elijah, elijah was never death in the first place


Elijah and Enoch never see death. Get real lah
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post Apr 24 2023, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Apr 24 2023, 09:38 AM)
How was Elijah ridiculously told by the Bible in the book of 2 Kings being brought up to heaven? A hurricane lifted him up there?

How did the Bible described Jesus ascension to heaven after His last supper?  laugh.gif According to Luke wrote, they witness his ascension into the clouds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_of_Jesus

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Ok back to reality, if Jesus was resurrected and came back to life met with his disciples before ascending to heaven once again after another 40 days. Then why would he still leave worldly traces which archeologists today are still desperately trying to dig up his tomb and collect any remains of his DNA to try resurrecting him by cloning? Why are they trying to figure out his face with the linen cloth that was used to cover his body after murdering him with the claims of the Shroud of Turin?

He was supposed to fly back to heaven how come his physical human trace still lying around for humans to do evil and trying to clone him? and if they managed to clone modern Jesus using modern science, don't you think that touches the theory of "reincarnation" again?
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So dude, you try to use science to verify bible? It can't, because like ant can't see pass few inches pmof it's surrounding, science can't measure god

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post Apr 24 2023, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Apr 24 2023, 09:45 AM)
Ridiculing others of using YouTube is no different from quoting from modern day religious scholars with medals and accolades. They're are all human awarded titles and claims using the power of influence and money.
Every power hungry or elite will claim he/she is God chosen because of influence of power and money backing them. They can tell you miracle magic shows are the truth whether you believe it or not but never question them back because you're not their level to doubt your masters.



The video above arguments are very valid. So if my statements offended anyone please forgive me. I have my reasons to seek the truth by asking if there're any doubts that comes to me.
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YouTube are full of maniac like you. So their word is weight less than hot air
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post Jul 26 2023, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(GaunterO'Dimm @ Jul 26 2023, 08:52 AM)
the old testament is good for reasons to know about God and His nature. To know His love and mercy. basically, the old testament is only good for knowledge but not for salvation. u cannot find salvation in the old testament

proof is show me the same verse in the old testament that says salvation by faith through Grace and u will find none.

and this is the reason why i said the old testament is useless
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habakuk 2:4
genesis 15:6

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 4 2023, 10:36 AM)
Vs 24 is a continuation of the discussion of Abraham's imputed righteousness in vs 22.
So Horao just means that it is concluded that "how that by works a man(Abraham) is justified, and not by faith only."

Works and faith are inseparable twins. James is pointing out that faith without works is a dead faith.

And by that, a dead faith has no imputed righteousness and therefore, no salvation.
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some christian sect believe dead faith is one of true faith. anyway

https://redeeminggod.com/dead-faith-james-2-14-26/

this for example. quite a mental gymnastic i must say

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 4 2023, 11:52 AM)
Indeed. The whole of James 2 is about works and faith. There isn't any 2 sets of righteousness.
It's a gift and by grace. However, the interpretation of what faith is, is differently perceived here by you and i.
And James is clarifying the matter here.
James is saying that works differentiates what is dead and live faith.
The thing is this. The Jewish understanding of faith is not the contemporary understanding of mental faith.
the Jewish understanding of faith is inseparable from works. That is the reason you see this in Hebrews 11. Every faith reckoned is followed by works and was reckoned to each of the saints as righteousness:
Therefore clarification from James:
Question now is DOES DEAD FAITH RESULT IN SALVATION?
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I come across this few times before as below from https://ancient-hebrew.org/definition/faith.htm

Behold, he whose soul is not upright in him shall fail, but the righteous shall live by his faith. (Habakkuk 2:4 - ASV)

What does it mean to have "faith" from an Hebraic perspective? In our western minds faith is a mental exercise in knowing that someone or something exists or will act. For instance, if we say "I have faith in God" we are saying "I know that God exists and that he will do what he says he will do".

The Hebrew word for faith is אמונה (emunah - Strong's #530) and is an action oriented word meaning "support". This is important because the Western concept of faith places the action on the one you have faith in, such as "faith in God". But, the Hebrew word אמונה places the action on the one who "supports God". It is not a knowing that God will act, but rather I will do what I can to support God. This idea of support for the word emunah can be seen in Exodus 17:12.

But Moses' hands grew weary; so they took a stone and put it under him, and he sat upon it, and Aaron and Hur held up his hands, one on one side, and the other on the other side; so his hands were steady (emunah)until the going down of the sun.

It is the support/emunah of Aaron and Hur that held of Moses' arms, not the support/emunah of Moses. When we say "I have faith in God", we should be thinking "I will do what I can to support God".
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No sure why someone bring up issue of work alone can attain salvation. The point here has always be faith is never alone, in absent of good work.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Aug 4 2023, 05:06 PM)
What type of works alone can attain salvation ?
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Absolutely no idea, you better ask the guy who bring that up
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post Aug 7 2023, 02:25 PM

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Let see what a catholic say about faith;-

By - Diego Martin

One thing is king here: the absolute majority of Christians agree that faith in Jesus Christ as Our Lord and Savior is necessary for salvation.

I am Catholic, so I’m often accused by Protestants to be an idolater, for two reasons mainly:

Because of the Virgin Mary;
Because people think I believe that only works can save a man’s soul.
Let’s break it down:

Catholics like me do believe that works are an essential part of salvation, but we do not believe in it like a Muslim do, for example. Muslims will tell you that your good deeds must outweigh your bad deeds. We, Catholics, believe in something completely different.

We believe that the Grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ is the only thing in the Universe that can save us, but when one says that faith alone is enough, that becomes a very narrow perspective on the subject. I’ll explain:

"For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift from God lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Salvation is a gift from Christ Jesus, indeed. No question about it. We are granted this wonderful treasure through faith in Him as Our Savior, but the point is that when we start believing that Jesus is Our Savior, this is what happens, according to Himself:

“Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” John 3:3

This is the thing. Jesus makes it clear that only faith in Him can save you, yet you MUST BE BORN AGAIN, which implies that your ways need to change, your old self must die so that your new self might come to life, endless life, now and ever. Ok, it just got a little tricky, maybe? So get this:

“What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.” James 2:14–17

So, let’s take a look at that from a different angle and maybe a new conclusion might come up with it:

What separates the viewpoints of the Catholic Church and most Protestant Churches is a false premise that faith equals belief, in its simplest form. Faith must be alive in order to be faith. If you do not practice your faith in Jesus, if you are not born again in Him, then your faith is not a faith. In other words: you can say that Salvation is by faith alone, but true faith is followed by actions, true faith is followed by works.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 5 2024, 10:50 PM)
I am interested to know what teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospel that is outrageous etc etc according to this rabbi. If his claims of outrageous etc etc has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or His teachings at all, but about a few women at the cross or the church or the Roman Empire anything else that is not important, well he deserved to be ignored. Waste of bandwidth aje this rabbi. However it would be interesting to know if this rabbi is ashame and rejects the real Rabbi Jesus Christ himself.
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rabbi would be the worst person to learn about Jesus

Jews are mostly still waiting for their messiah, in vain
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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 28 2024, 10:11 PM)
I will take away all of the opinionated comments or from whoever that you referred from and ONLY use the BIBLE for explanation.
The Bible ALONE is sufficient, the ONE source of TRUTH that DOES NOT contradict itself.

Your quotes and arguments come from JAMES.
1. Book of JAMES is written by PAUL.
2. One of its main key verses is James 2:18-20.
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
3. Interestingly, if you understand this enough, it says TRUE faith will bring WORKS.. but one that CLAIMS to have faith, false prophets, people that never truly was saved and WITHOUT the Holy Spirit, would not have works.

The rest of your commentary comments are without biblical basis with exception you brought up 1 Peter 1:5.
Understand 1 Peter 1:5
Read the ENTIRE 1 Peter
1 Peter 1:3-5
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
Read the verses and see in v4, clearly says? ,"... an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away.."
V5 obviously talks that these are the people kept by the power of GOD through FAITH unto SALVATION..
(which are also in reference that you can ONLY HAVE SALVATION WITH FAITH, with a false faith, you CANT),
READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIMES...
(and the salvation of our souls that we get to heaven.. read v9 and v10 ..)

Then your next reference of the bible is Hebrews 3:12. And AGAIN, Read from V1 or the entire Hebrews 3
Hebrews 3 is talking about Christians and their unbelieve. And Hebrews 3:11 is telling you the punishment of Israel for their unbelief. 
But why ignore Hebrews 4 where it talks about believe with faith? Read Hebrews 4!
Key verses of Hebrews 4
v2," For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."
v10,"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."
and for your persistence on Deuteronomy 18:9-14, if you persist your works will save you.. You are living by works.. and by the law..
Galations 2:16,"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
If you persist to 'live by the law', you be JUDGED by the law..

Ephesians 2:8-9,"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."
NOT OF WORKS.. its a very straight forward verse.. you cant save yourself.. no amount of effort you do will save you.. we are all saved by faith and by grace!

in your final reply on Revelations 5
This is a seal locked with all our names inside.. and we are NOT WORTHY to open it because we are all BOUGHT WITH A PRICE..

Understand the Bible cannot contradict itself..
Understand John 10:28,"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
Understand Hebrews 10:26,"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
Even the most fundamental John 3:16," ... but have EVERLASTING LIFE." not conditional life, not 'sometimes you would have' life,

The only wrong doctrine is because one believes in themselves and their own efforts.. the arrogance that the person can "WORK" his way to salvation by continuing to do works.. when the Bible has clearly said, NOTHING WE CAN DO EARNS OUR SALVATION, ONLY FAITH BY GRACE.
So in conclusion, can a 'Christian' be demon-possessed.

As consistent as the Bible is, YES.. if the 'Christian' was NEVER a Christian to begin with, and NEVER had the Holy Spirit..
He/She CLAIMS to be a Christian, done works as a Christian, but as the Bible says. Matthew 7:23,"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

and NO if the CHRISTIAN was TRULY SAVED.
Because, 1 John 4:4,"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."
Because 1 Corinthians 3:16," Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
Because 2 Corinthians 6:16,"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people"
Because Romans 8:9,"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his"
Because Ephesians 1:13,14,"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."
The Bible has ALL the answers and all the warnings of false prophets
1 John 4:1,"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

The internet has a lot of 'opinions'. but if they cant prove it from the Bible, then they remain as opinions and not the TRUTH
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so, a quick question, is judas iscariot ever saved? if not, how holy spirit dwelled in him? and how he done miracle in the name of lord?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 29 2024, 09:17 AM)
Very good question..
quick answer is Judas Iscariot is NOT SAVED. Matthew 26:24
And the Holy Spirit NEVER DWELLED in him. Not after the Pentecost.
John 14:26," But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." WILL SEND.. not I ALREADY sent
Acts 2:4,"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

And WHY he can do miracles in the name of the Lord?
Which is the same problem Churches don't preach this.. WHY?? but the Bible CLEARLY already states why..
Matthew 8:17,"That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses"
Matthew 12:23,"And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?"

All around the Gospel books, consistently, Jesus done miracles to fulfil Old Testament prophecies that He was the Messiah.
And the disciples back then was an extension of this purpose.
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so he did do miracle in the name of the lord?

but holy spirit is present before pentecost. Psalm talk about holy spirit, even holy spirit is present when jesus is baptized

anyway
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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 29 2024, 10:45 AM)
God in three persons; God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit.
All three have existed from the very beginning.
Genesis 1:2,"... the Spirit of God..."
Judges 3:10,6:34.. mentions the empowerment of the Spirit to do things..
1 Samuel 10:10, Spirit came upon Saul and David.

But this is not made permanent until after Jesus.
1 Corinthians 3:16
Acts 1:18

There was a transition once Jesus paid our price.. The Holy Spirit then dwells in those who were paid for permanently!
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well, holy spirit is with believer in OT and only different now is 'permanent indwelling' after Pentecost. Holy spirit perform the same function in both OT and NT

for example, Exodus 31:2-5 ESV
"See, I have called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with ability and intelligence, with knowledge and all craftsmanship, to devise artistic designs, to work in gold, silver, and bronze, in cutting stones for setting, and in carving wood, to work in every craft.

to say Judas isn't with holy spirit is speculative at best based on pentecost verse

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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 30 2024, 01:26 PM)
I can agree with you on how you see counsellor and counsellors..
Allow me to clarify. What I meant from Proverbs 11:14, is to get counsellors (biblical advice) as continuation from Proverbs 11:9.
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to be frank, bible never say 'faith alone' if don't believe, can point to any verse with exact phase 'faith alone'?

faith is never alone, when bible want to show faith of a person, it always point to good work of such person.

it is sad that some church today treat work as dirty word

BTW, the whole bible is based on faith, any verse, whenever it show its promise, is conditional on faith

therefore, it is true that person have active faith can't be snatch off from god's hand

remember that god will never forsake us, it is us who forsake him. how we forsake him, by continue indulging in sin, with false sense of security that once saved is always saved.

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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 30 2024, 02:02 PM)
" false sense of security that once saved is always saved."

Right.. so are you trying to rephrase..

Romans 5:1,"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:"
But then did it say justified by ACTIVE faith? Conditional Faith?, Faith with WORKS?

Galations 2:16,"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
again.. ACTIVE FAITH?

John 5:24,"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Wait.. so if ACTIVE FAITH as you believe it.. so you're trying to rephrase this .. "may not come into comdemnation?" cos you can LOSE your faith?

Oh wait.. there's more..
Romans 8:38,39," For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
So you want to rephrase that to, yes.. We ourselves can separate us from the love of God?

OH WAIT.. You might want to check this out.
John 10:28,29," And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
So wait.. your ACTIVE FAITH version would mean.. you can pluck yourself out?
There are plenty more verses..
The only sad thing is churches these days DO NOT preach on SAVING FAITH , rather a false sense of 'feel good' faith.. which cant save you.. and i assume that's more of what you are getting at .. on your so called 'active' faith.. and the wrong sense of belief you can lose your salvation.. or maybe that's what your church preaches.. if so.. bring up the verses above and question their belief..
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so faith is alone or not?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 30 2024, 02:11 PM)
check the reply again..
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which part should i check for that?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 30 2024, 02:14 PM)
"faith alone"
Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
John 3:16,"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
so you're trying to say, "WHEN whosoever believeth in would not perish?"
Romans 3:23-25,"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"
BY FAITH.. Its very clear... GRACE, FAITH.. please do share how else you want to explain the verses above..
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where does it say faith is alone?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 30 2024, 02:23 PM)
You see any further instructions besides faith?
Romans 3:23-25,"... ..through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God"
You read it differently as, through faith and something else?
either that or do you think this verse is 'conditional' based on some unwritten doctrine ?
or wait.. maybe i read it wrongly ?
"For by grace are ye saved through faith..."
Any other words you are saved with? like 'conditional' faith?
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you really dont understand do you?

faith is never alone. as matter of fact the verse you quote didnt even say faith is alone

through out bible, faith is always co exist with good work

can understand?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Jul 30 2024, 02:36 PM)
Did you read those verses and understand it? or replied for the sake of it ?

Although I agree, faith ALWAYS co exist with WORKS.. As written in JAMES..
James 2:18," Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."
James 2:19,"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

Dead Faith = without works..
You read it differently cos it says 'conditional' faith?
OR you totally ignored all the verses of the Bible that talks about salvation?

So really.. the question is.. DO YOU understand the Bible enough..
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oh well, whatever float your boat

BTW. what is faith according to your understanding anyway?

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