James, Paul, PETER, all were sinners and all had Sin before and after the are saved.
They are not sinless.. they only SIN-LESS

But all your claims are your ASSUMPTIONS AT BEST..
You're delusional to assume from one chapter and placed the same assumption to another chapter, and best part is filter off all other Bible verses that says otherwise..
Galations 2:12,"For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision."
How can you jump into the conclusions so they are instructions from JAMES?
This merely says it comes from where James holds certain position!
and with that you added SO MANY WORDS into your own understanding to fit the picture you want to build? Or was it something you read from other commentary?

Did you really understand Galations 2:14
"But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

This was a matter of JEWS and GENTILES!
Where Peter still hold to customs by the JEWS and the LAW!

Have you read the Trail of Blood ?
Did you think God would allow His word to die off or be absent?
Matthew 24:34 - 35,"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

The only problem is because Protestants are from the Catholics, they still hold on to MANY Catholic church traditions and they teach it to people like you, which WILL BELIEVE, because you are not taught at the very basic, to JUST RELY ON THE BIBLE!!

The very fact you don’t base your believes in the Bible is the evident results.
Let’s look at baby baptism…

No doubt Protestant churches have preached the Gospel.. But sadly not all have preached the Word of God and understand it..

A whole huge segment on someone commenting?
A whole huge segment of assumptions from what ifs… and perhaps…
That’s how you learn to understand the Bible? Through perhaps and what ifs?
The Bible is COMPLETE! And is so direct , yet you ignore it?
All your quotes from these so called people, all were tackled on from the past replies
At least one thing is clear, where your “source” is from and it’s not the Bible. Merely the understanding of SOMEONE ELSE of Bible.
That’s why, you rather read COMMENTARIES then based it on what the BIBLE plainly has said..

You know what makes false prophets so successful? Is when they add their own thoughts , some FAKE, some even merely OPINIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS, and the COMBINE it with the truth.. lo and behold that’s what you are sharing

Fact check your understanding with the Bible.. any commentary beyond that and you’re basing your salvation on them, NOT the BIBLE

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 05:42 PM

Clearly you have NO IDEA on the other 'Protestant' churches

Do you know what the BAPTIST doctrines are???

If so, then you really gotta check your understanding that you can 'lose' your salvation with your pastor.

The best part is, you even quote people who are NOT baptists!! and you start believing what THEY SAY ?
and not the BIBLE??



This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 05:54 PM

Fact
- you quote from a source NOT FROM THE BIBLE
- you have no other BIBLICAL base
- you CREATED a CONCLUSION from baseless understandings and ASSUMPTIONS

hence the next FACT
- your words are merely assumptions and none from the bible..
Thanks for quoting 2 Timothy 2. As usual, I will say to you.. UNDERSTAND 2 TIMOTHY 2!!
2 Timothy 2:7 ,"Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things."
2 Timothy 2:9,"Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound."
Can i please repeat this.. "... THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT BOUND"
2 Timothy 2:15," Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
STUDY!!! DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH!! which can only be the BIBLE!
2 Timothy 2:16, " But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
Do you need the definition of Babble? TO UTTER WORDS IMPERFECTLY OR INDISTINCTLY, AS CHILDREN, TO TALK IRRATIONALLY..
The fact you dont see yourself is saddening when all my replies are BIBLICALLY BASED when you try so hard to defend opinions and thoughts of other 'preachers', WHO ARE NOT EVEN BAPTISTS!

Your efforts to try and use the Bible, turns out to be aptly for YOURSELF.. The verses itself.. are self explanatory to you..
Again i tell you..
READ THE BIBLE!
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"

When Jesus rebuked Satan, He used the scriptures. Even as Jesus have worthy opinions.. He would have used scriptures as references..

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 06:26 PM

My goodness the arrogance..
just google it.. i'm sure you know how to.. you've done that so much in the past few replies, all the time !

Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists ..

God's truth resides IN THE BIBLE !
Not my opinion, not my comments..
All I did was showed you the Bible.. don't get offended if the words dont suit your taste..
thats what THE BIBLE wrote!

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 06:14 PM

The biggest difference between you and me is you quote what PEOPLE SAY.. i quote what the BIBLE SAY.. and more importantly..
That is why i keep telling you to read the verses.. what im saying ARE NOT OPINIONS.
I literally REPEATED what the BIBLE SAYS!
in comparisons you literally took the PERHAPS , or WHAT IFS.. of what OTHER PEOPLE SAY!

Understand now what is OPINION Vs BIBLE ?

You are right.. This we can agree.. God is the highest judge.. but if you say you are a Christian.. and you are apart from the truth, it is my responsibility to rebuke you and tell you the truth..

I dont know the others, I know for a fact i've debated like this with this 'unknown warrior' using the same similar approach.. BIBLE AND NOTHING BUT THE BIBLE..
The only reason probably until today, you still think you are right, is because they are like you.. using opinions to debate on opinions..
Not the BIBLE..


This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 06:56 PM

Still insist its opinions?
LOL
Prove that you dont read my replies.. which are ALL BIBLE VERSES! Merely replying for the sake of it..

Your heart is so hardened.. There's nothing to comment if even plain Bible verses cant get to your heart.. only prayers and God can

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 07:13 PM

Talk to your pastor.
You have deliberately ignored all bible verses for past corrections but yet highlight grammers?

You need help

self explanatory.. sadly you dont read well.. its your comment and im quoting it.. ive never missed any of your verses.. you've ignored them all :-)

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 08:24 PM

"Your above self-set pre-condition added to our Bible discussion is like the Pharisees and Jews not allowing Jesus Christ to have His apostles/disciples accompanying Him and bear witness to His ministry of salvation through His atoning blood shed on the Cross. IOW,it's like they only allowed Jesus Christ to speak/comment/opine alone."

Thank God the wolf have shown his skin.. and thank you for re-sharing the replies I have posted.
Funny it feels like only from the last few replies when I have shake my dust of my feet at your doorstep, you become less repetitive.. and have more to reply.. So take some time.. go back to pg49.. READ the bible verses I replied you with.. UNDERSTAND it.. and REFLECT on your mistakes..
the ones you quoted here me.. and ALL the replies you ignored.. were consistently made of 2 segments
1. To answer the verses you used.. WITH THE BIBLE
2. To ask you to use ONLY the BIBLE.. and read it.. unfortunately as a Baptist.. you tend to filter and ignore sound doctrine..
Any layman would have the same conclusion on your disillusioned mind where you put assumptions and blasphemy..
Reflect and repent..

Hebrews 4:12,"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

And thank you for replying exactly what i've been consistently saying in ALL my replies.
"Fyi, I have been posting Bible commentaries/opinions by other mature Christians via links at RWI without any complaints from other posters there, eg from atheists, Buddhists, Christians, etc. Your complaint is the first."
2 Timothy 4:3,4,"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
See the pattern? 'Commentaries? Opinions?' of.. 'MATURE' Christians????
Turning away from the TRUTH Aka BIBLE?
Turned into fables?? Aka fiction/stories to enforce truth/precept? all this are dictionary definitions btw.. go fact check it..
Bible has made it very clear for your harderned heart.

1 John 4:1,"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
2 Peter 2:1,"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
2 Corinthians 11:13," For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."
Good luck in hearing your pastors over the BIBLE..


The fact you seek acknowledgement from PEOPLE? from other RELIGIONS??? not the BIBLE??
2 Corinthians 6:14,"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"
1 Timothy 6:3,"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"
1 Timothy 6:4,"He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,"
1 Timothy 6:5,"Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."



I dont know about RWI, but shame on the thread if no sound Biblical doctrine and Bible verses are being discussed, but rather OPINIONS and COMMENTARIES!!
I don't care if it's even Martin Luther, but if he cant preach from the BIBLE, and he preaches against what the BIBLE says.. he's a FALSE APOSTLE for all I care.. And that's what the BIBLE SAYS!



This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 31 2024, 06:20 PM

Those you ignored ?
Jul 28
1. Your blasphemy Once Saved Always Saved is wrong
- Ephesians 2:8-10 (ignored)
- James 2:18-20 (ignored; cos you say James is teaching wrongly?)

2. You quoted 1 Peter 1:3 in your 'commentary'
- 1 Peter 1:3-5 (ignored after I brought up especially v4)
- Hebrews 4:v2,v10 (ignored as well)

3. You brought up Deuteronomy 18:9-14 as a possibility of losing faith cos of works
- replied with Galations 2:16 (ignored again)
- Ephesians 2:8-10 (Constantly being ignored)

4. You quoted Revelations 5:1, Daniel 12:8
- Replied with John 10:28 (ignored as usual)
- Backed with Hebrews 10:26, John 3:16

5. Because you swayed to far from the main topic of 'demonic possession'
I had to SUMMARIZE it for you again
- 1 John 4:4, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 2 Corinthians 6:16, Romans 8:9, Ephesians 1:13,14, 1 John 4:1
of course, you ignored them all :-)


July 29
6. In response to 1 Peter, you requoted 1 Peter in your 'Race'
- 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 - RACE, BODY (ignored again)
- Revelation 4:10 - CROWNS! (Ignored entirely)

7. In response to your 1 Corinthians 15:50 (incoruptable)
- 1 Corinthians 15:49, 50, 53 ( obviously ignored cos you filtered all verses and just want to talk about v50 wihtout understanding)

8. You bring up parable of the Sower, Matthew 13:18-23
- Matthew 13: 13 (ignored)
- Matthew 13:19 (ignored as well)

9. You bring up Philippians 2:12
- Philippians 2:9,10,13 (ignored, cos you again dont want to understand and fixated on only v12.)

10.You brought up 'fear' and 'trembling'
- Proverbs 9:10 (ignored)
- 2 Corinthians 7:1 (ignored)
- 1 Timothy 4:1 (I repeated to you on your blasphemy in translation, ignored)
- Matthew 10:33 (This is the best.. you even had your own translation of what DENY is, rather than understanding the ORIGINAL BIBLE language of DENY)

11. You brought up losing salvation but you cant back it up in any of the bible verses
- 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

12. You brought up Judas losing his salvation
Matthew 27:4

13. You ARGUE on the Parable of the seeds
- Mark 4:5-7 (parallel verse for this parable but well.. you ignored)

14. You ask WHY FEAR?
- Psalms 86:11 (ignored)
- 2 Corinthians 7:1 (ignored)
- Ephesians 5:21 (ignored)
- Hebrews 12:28- 29 (ignored)

15. you raised Lot's Wife.. Peter's Holy Spirit
- Luke 17:31,32 (ignored)
- 1 JOHN 1:17 (ignored)
- Romans 5:19 (ignored)
- Acts 1:1-4 (ignored)

16. You started quoting 1 Corinthians 9:27 , and 2 Peter 1:10
- 1 Corinthians 9:24 (ignored)
- 2 Peter 1:10 (asked for reference of your claim in losing salvation , ignored)
- James 2:18 (the reference for 2 Peter 1:10 - IGNORED)

17. possibility of losing FAITH and you trying to sustain it
- Matthew 5:17 (you trying = YOUR WORK , but you ignore it) ; not sure how you wanna spin this away if you sustaining it is not a 'work'
- Acts 4:12
- 2 Timothy 1:9 (you can't lose your faith and 'unchoose' God, cos GOD CHOSE US.. but you ignored)



a lot more! but you get the picture..
every single verse you use , i SURELY answer..
Every single CLAIM you do, I SURELY BACK IT with the BIBLE..
but you have nothing but tons and tons of opinions and commentaries

I knew you were going towards the 'false' accusation route.. so i took the pain to relook into ALL your replies and MY replies to summarize it for YOU in case you forgot! The IGNORANCES of the BIBLE!! There you go..

I dont know what is his doctrine and what he teaches.. you can share it with me.. and i will tell you FROM THE BIBLE.. if i agree or not agree to it.

By now, you should know i'm very consistent in that.. i ONLY use the BIBLE.. i dont care on 'people' or 'false prophets' opinoins/commentaries/teachings..

unlike you..

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 31 2024, 09:44 PM

True to that.. and it's also important the truth is upheld..

Titus 1:9,"Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake."
Titus 1:13 ,"This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith"

Hopefully this @lurkingaround guy.. can start adapting learning than arguing.. im hoping I get to learn a thing or two from the Bible..

Sadly but true, You've just been to the wrong church and not been exposed to sound doctrine..
All 'religions' have sects.. Muslim, Buddhism, Hinduism..
I dont think among churches, or at least at the very high level, their faith is doubted.. The core believe is still the same.. the gospel...
But due to the Protestant movement.. a lot of catholic practices were carried forward..
and more importantly, more and more churches do not preach by the BIBLE anymore..

so why God allows? I guess, i admit on this, I'm guessing.. it is very consistently even in Old Testament, God allows Israel to go with what they wanted.. EG. they want a King, go ahead.. and we know there was NO ONE good king (even David screwed up).. But God works in such a way, despite that, Jesus was the last KING, KING OF KINGS to save us all..
Another guess, is cos as real as God is, Satan is real as well.. Satan's first attempt to human sin was to cast doubt to what GOD SAID... Satan's attempt to tempt Jesus? was also to cast doubt.. very consistent..
So Satan's attempts to modern world.. is ALSO to cast DOUBT on GOD'S WORD! so that's why.. go attend a church that really depend on the Bible.. if you need recommendations, i can share some..


The above have bible verse references and I wont go into it for sake of conversation..

I personally dont believe in speaking in tongues, holy laughter, etc.. so called gifts..
the purpose is not consistent to what the Bible say..
but then again, this opens a huge debate.. feel free for anyone to chime in (FROM THE BIBLE) on why those so called gifts are real..

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 1 2024, 09:28 AM

I agree.. all the miracles by Jesus and the disciples are real..and has a record..
but despite that , we should be mindful Bible never say God cant do miracles...
If God willing, miracles MAY happen.. just that.. for the churches to somewhat commercialize it is a shame..

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All were BIBLE VERSES! Lols.. comments? Opinions? you need a dictionary.. those verses are self explanatory even without me putting words..
Still.. all ignored.. reasons its the BIBLE? highlight which is an opinion or comment? Let's see them together if its truly a 'comment' as you so claim.

Please see in the LIST OF IGNORANCE you have.. and re-read them ..
When you quoted this, I told you none says you lose the Holy Spirit. YOU OPINONATED SO! and for your benefit (in case you lack understanding and reading), please dont ignore the verses YOU YOURSELF shared

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
John 14:26, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you"

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
Acts 1:4,"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me."
Acts 1:8,"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
1 Corinthians 12:4,"Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit"
Hebrews 2:4,"God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"

Don't get me wrong. I agree that's the HOLY SPIRIT.. what I think you're delusional, is you copy and paste, and come to your own conclusions without even READING the verses!

2 Timothy 1:13? I told you and explained to you already. Did you read? nevermind, ill reshare it..
(To your question of 'Why Fear?', READ IT, its not an OPINION.. its the BIBLE!)
2 Timothy 1:7,8,"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;"
(READ IT! What did the Bible say? its English so im not going to define the words cos its self explanatory.)
2 Timothy 1:9,"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"
UNDERSTAND PLEASE! "....which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"
Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
You are already CHOSEN ! and as usual, cherry picking the bible and not reading it entirely..
2 Timothy 1:13,14,"Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us."
What does it say?
Hold fast the form of sound words
committed unto thee
keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us

So you wanna add a .. YOU LOSE YOUR HOLY SPIRIT? your OPINION? your DOCTRINE????


Matthew 10:32
My goodness.. why do you keep IGNORING the BIBLE?
Go look at item 10 on the IGNORANCES..
MATTHEW 10:32,".. DENY.."
Deny = arnēsomai = ἀρνήσομαι
Hello? ITS THE BIBLE! ITS THE ORIGINAL GREEK LANGUAGE!!
and ἀρνήσομαι or arnēsomai, or back in the KJV times the word DENY, is DISOWN!
HELLO? BIBLE!! Its like you referring to a dictionary.. not an opinion.. yours is.. this is FACT..


Revelation 20, 1 Thesallonians 4:16-17.
I told you.. NATIONS! you call them as CHRISTIANS.. and say they lose faith?
Who's putting in words into the Bible..

Revelations 13:11-18, 14:9,
Mark of the beast. wont be saved. thats a FACT..
Bible didnt mention saved Christians would receive the mark.. thats ALSO a FACT..
Matthew 24:15,"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
This will be a "sequel" to how most of the apostles of Christ were martyred for not obeying the Imperial decree to worship the Roman Emperor or his statue as God - MATTHEW.24:15.
This.. is YOUR OPINION.. "how most of the apostles of Christ "

Blasphemy.
Disciples asking Jesus about end of the world
Matthew 24:3," And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
Context of the end of world type of people
Matthew 24:11,"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
Hope for PEOPLE to be saved; Still didnt mention losing of faith FYI..
Matthew 24:13,"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Who it was preached to!
Matthew 24:14,"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
Matthew 24:15,"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"

So you have effectively reworded Matthew 24:14? suddenly ,"...in all the world..." becomes CHRISTIANS?
Matthew 24:15 is talking about the world.. WHOSO READETH, LET HIM UNDERSTAND.. READ ! PLEASE !

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Remind me again where did I ignore you?
My record is clear, I dont SHY away from the Bible..

"can never ever be demon-possessed = can never ever lose faith in Christ or lose salvation."
"often speak as if they are like God and/or are Omni-present and Omniscient"
I will ONLY use the BIBLE.. I dont speak like God, but i quote what GOD says.. and its sad if you dont read what the BIBLE says..
the one source of truth is the BIBLE and the very least you should do is to meditate and study it.. to show yourself true..
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 ? (Please , read the BIBLE! do you even understand what you are quoting?? )
v5-6,"Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time."
v8-9,"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,"
v11-12,"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Read... v5-6 says? ,".... he might be revealed in his time" What does it mean??
v8-9,".. Wicked be revealed,... Even him, whose coming is afer the working of Satan.." Who is the BIBLE talking about??

and for your information.. please dont ignore..
2 Thessalonians 2:16,"Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,"

READ! ,".. EVERLASTING CONSOLATION AND GOOD HOPE THROUGH GRACE," Go read and find your bible verses.. google it if you need to.. Who and what is this CONSOLATION?? What is good hope and by grace? and DONT IGNORE "...EVERLASTING.."

As usual, consistently, when you try to put in Bible verses.. somehow the BIBLE itself shows you the truth..

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 1 2024, 12:17 PM