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jaycee1
post Mar 8 2023, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Mar 8 2023, 09:41 AM)
Helmets are a bunch of plastic parts slapped together to protect our precious heads.

My Index (Sirim) one finally cracked on its own after many years of use, and surviving a crash with 3 gashes on its side.

But, there are worse kind of helmets on the road.... those that look older than myself. I've seen a few, the polystyrene layer is thin as the chicken rice bungkus paper, just barely lining the shell. Oh, and the shell, is so faded and scratched exposing the plastics to the atmosphere and is almost brittle.
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But some plastics are better than other plastics....tongue.gif

That's why helmets have a expiry date. Hahaha.


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This was my helmet I was using for a week while in Vietnam. Cute isn't it? Hahaha. Let's just say helmets and helmet laws in Vietnam is questionable at best. Some people ride with bicycle helmets on.

My helmet that I had left in VN before COVID basically just disintegrated.

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post Mar 8 2023, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 8 2023, 05:21 PM)
It definitely is..DOT tests are outdated AF and its also based on trust system these days...manufacturers done need to send products in for testing...they just need to claim its good enough for dot n thats it.

Afaik sirim actually tests the helmets and the testing methodology is similar to ece iinm.... I've also heard some ppl saying sirim is better than ece coz sirim tests the impact point twice instead of ece's once...not sure abt the truth in this.

So yes, despite the existence of MS88, i have confidence in sirim certified helmets
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Sirim is definitely better than DOT. Assuming no hanky panky under table stuff we are so famous for.

Even the free driving school helmet feels more substantial than some Chinese helmets with a "DOT" sticker.

The New ECE22.06 and FIM will be the best, as they both test for rotational impacts.
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post Mar 9 2023, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Mar 8 2023, 10:39 PM)
The part that do most of the impact absorption is not the plastic shell.  It's the layer of EPS foam that protect your head by absorbing the impact.

Many non branded helmets don't even use eps foam.
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That's correct on the most part. EPS is just Expanded PolyStyrene. They come in different densities. All helmets will have some sort of EPS.

Shells are also elastic. They will deform or bounce back if not past the limit. After which the EPS liner takes over.

However if it cracks, the EPS performance is affected.

Cheap/fake helmets have very very thin and low density EPS. They very easily absorb light impacts, but just not a lot of it. Cheap/fake helmet shells also use ABS which tends to crack instead of flex like polycarbonate which is more flexible and resists cracking better.

Premium fiberglass/carbon/kevlar shells can deform even more before cracking spreading the force over a bigger portion of the EPS so they can afford to make do with thinner or multi-density EPS to make the helmet smaller and lighter. Premium doesn't necessarily safer, as the helmet manufacturer uses better materials to improve other attributes. Stronger shell = thinner EPS and thus smaller shell for a given size leading to lower overall weight.

The EPS on my cheap Zeus is twice as thick as the dual density EPS on my Rapha 70.... And as the result, the HJC looks noticibly slimmer. The AGV K6 has both a fiberglass/carbon/kevlar shell and 5 layer multi-density EPS...and it is so much lighter and slimmer than even my HJC.

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post Mar 10 2023, 04:44 PM

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For those big headed bros. Serdang motorsports have the new line of LS2 22.06 up to 4xl
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post Mar 20 2023, 10:16 AM

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I use drop leg pouches....if needed. Waist pouches never worked for me. Gets in the way of everything.

Using this.

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Not fully waterproof , some dampness will still get in if heavy rain for long periods of time, but for short rides and lighter rain, it is fine. Good enough if you need to ride through a sudden shower before you can safely stop to shelter or put on rain gear.

It's quite small. Wallet, keys, a pack of smokes + a normal sized phone. Won't fit my rugged phone, but the phone is fully ip69k waterproof so I just leave it on the mount during rain anyway.

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post Apr 10 2023, 06:43 PM

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Thread has been quiet, so going to need a bump. Got a few things over the weekend.

New Benkia boots. Sold by Serdang Motorsports. Tested the size then wait for sale order online. 400rm. 80bux off normal price before Lazada promo. Free ship.

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Material is PVC/pleather. Supposedly waterproof. Tested it in rain today...no leakage....but for how long is anyone's guess. Honestly I don't expect this to last past 2 or 3 years.

Quite stiff on the toebox and heelbox. Good ankle protection. Not as easy to walk in, but it's a compromise for safety.

It's a good 2 inches taller so a bit more shin coverage compared to my existing boots.
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Got a new duffle dry bag. 110 after Lazada 4.4 discounts. 50L. Large enough to stuff all my camping gear in 1 bag. Yellow out of stock ...pity. Oh well. It's cheap. I ain't complaining... Fit for purpose. Decent quality, obviously not up to enduristan levels...but it is 1/4 the price.


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post Apr 11 2023, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Apr 10 2023, 08:50 PM)
How much was the bag? Yellow would be hi vis. Safer.

The boots, new daily beater?
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Bag was 110 paid and shipped. yes yellow would be better.

New daily beater, yes.

Old daily boot had 45k on it in 2 years. It's seen better days. Can still be used but I need to send to the cobblers to get some work done first...some of the stitching has begun to give way..
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post Apr 28 2023, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Harfan @ Apr 28 2023, 11:44 AM)
Hi guys!

Can anyone recommend me a fully waterproof gloves for riding in the rain? Preferably a budget one (< RM 100).

I bought one from Shopee, but they are not fully waterproof. water can still intrude through the fabric in-between fingers.

Thanks!
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Unless you do a lot of multiday touring and cold weather riding, IMHO waterproof gloves are not necessary. Better just carry a spare set of gloves. Doubt you are going to get good and reliable waterproofing at that price point. A typical glove has many seams and stitches and that much movement which would make any glove to be waterproof extremely difficult . Hell, for 100rm, even finding a decent normal glove is difficult at that price point.

Waterproof gloves tend to be hot when not raining, and numbs the feel on the bar and levers. Besides, in our weather, even if the gloves are wet, they tend to dry up very quickly when riding. Better to choose normal gloves with good safety features instead.

You could try to wear a nitrile surgical glove under your normal glove.

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post Apr 28 2023, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Harfan @ Apr 28 2023, 12:35 PM)
Hmm..I see.

My use case is more for daily commute to work (60km/day).
After a heavy rain, my gloves takes around half to 1 day to fully dried. If it's raining daily, I have to alternate between spare glove and main glove which is a bit of a hassle. That's why I'm thinking of getting a waterproof glove. Thanks for your suggestion.
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Waterproof gloves still does get wet and takes time to dry. Just get some spare sets. I have 3 sets which i alternate if they get wet.
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post Jun 11 2023, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jun 10 2023, 05:16 PM)
3M 1110 foam earplugs... RM2.50/pair at almost any hardware shop.

no matter what helmet u wear... even if its the quietest in the world, should still wear earplugs.

not much issue hearing surroundings with the earplugs on.

some have said that musician/concert earplugs are also suitable for riding.
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Or buy in shopee in bulk. Less than rm1.

I personally use the yellow 1250. Slightly better sound insulation. Slightly more expensive.

Still can hear traffic and my coms.

I find the foamies quieter, more comfortable and easier to wear than the silicon ones.


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post Jun 12 2023, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jun 12 2023, 08:56 AM)
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3M 1110 foam earplugs - 29NRR

jaycee1 macam got two types...
3M 1250 - 23NRR (https://www.3m.com.au/3M/en_AU/p/d/v000057702/)
3M 1250 - 33NRR (https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/v000057705/)


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helmets itself can cause noise, earplugs are a must.
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I think the 23nrr is a typo. The correct rating should be 33 for the 1250.

They are about 100bux for a box of 200 pairs. Cheap.


Windshields also cause noise. Depends on how it directs air over/under your helmet.
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post Jun 12 2023, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jun 12 2023, 12:07 PM)
I found out, Australia uses SLC80, which is different from US NRR rating.

"rated by a class system called SLC80 (Sound Level Conversion.) While NRR and SNR tell you what amount of noise reduction the product can provide when used properly, the SLC80 system tells you, instead, against what maximum noise level the device will provide adequate protection. For example an SLC80 class 1 ear plug is good for noise up to 90 dB, class 2 up to 95 dB and so on, in 5 dB increments."

So, that 3M-1250 is class 4, rated for 100 dB environment.
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Good to know. Thanks for the info.

Considering even the quietest helmets in the world only manage to get in under 100db, say cruising at 120-130, just buy the best earplugs for the job.
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post Jun 12 2023, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jun 12 2023, 02:11 PM)
1250 comes with corded tak? one of the main reasons i stick to 1110 besides being easy to find, is for the corded versions...n they r practically everywhere... even easier to find than non corded.

agree with foamies... i triede them silicon ones beforee (which i got for free when i bought snorkeling goggles)... the ends were too damn long that it hurts my ear really badly. foamies when installed properly can be comfy for a whole day ride.
haz corded? macam insteresting
did a ride last weekend... kl-sg petani-kl....day trip.. avg cruising was about 140-160kmh

just installed helmet speakers... n i couldnt find my earplugs anywhere n i was late... so rushed out and did the entire ride without earplugs n music blasting....and also the lovely sound of my loud exhaust on my z900.

ears felt like it was ringing for the rest of the night......

earplugs definitely a must.
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They have the 1250 in corded option also. Just shop online.
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post Jun 13 2023, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jun 13 2023, 10:15 AM)
Haha, not generalizing. Maybe I must add, only applies to my own bike.

Funny thing is, after putting back a stock exhaust for my friend's bike, he noticed the bike became more responsive than a full system.
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The longer your exhaust track, the better the scavenging from increased exhaust velocity. Better torque and fuel economy. I really don't get the shorty mufflers.
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post Jun 15 2023, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Jun 14 2023, 07:31 PM)
slow speed maneuvering.. going downhill..
might as well just install crash bar for safety
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You don't need a full crash bars 'ala driving school bikes. Just find some generic fit frame sliders.

Even with crash bars, it doesn't guarantee your bike won't end up with no damage. It depends on how you crash.

Dropping the bike is part and parcel of learning to ride. You don't drop (meaning you are not challenging yourself with more tricky maneuvers), you don't learn.

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post Jun 21 2023, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Jun 21 2023, 11:36 AM)
do you guys still use full face helmet during this hot weather?
face so sweaty even when the chin vent open sweat.gif

any recommended helmet shop to test helmets in kl area?
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I still use a full face 95%of the time. Rarely if ever I use my open face.
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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Jun 21 2023, 03:49 PM)
Ensure you off it while going through roadblock-prone areas such as the Toll Plaza/Lorong Motorsikal, then after clearing.. on back.

Usually, I turn on my aux light when the traffic is heavy, lots of cars are present, and during bad weather, so it is not the whole time.. just pity your Stator coil, battery and ignition system.. some LEDs can draw lots of current if not regulated.
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I have my aux lights on all the time. Even through roadblocks. Haven't been stopped for them before.

But I have not got excessively big and bright ones and have aimed them well. Those big GS with multiple fog lights mounted so high another story lah.

I rather pay Saman then someone not seeing me.
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QUOTE(kllam @ Jul 5 2023, 03:34 PM)
Its a motorcycle denim jacket from komine that i use for daily
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Unless it's an original one, maybe better just buy another one that fits.

What is the alteration for?
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post Jul 15 2023, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 15 2023, 04:19 PM)
my search finally ended last weekend...got my replacement for my Rev'It Trail H2O boots which is literally disintegrating. damn bang for buck boots. Bought at RM369 during some phased off clearance sale 5 years ago, done thousands of KMs with those boots.

so instead i got me Rev'It Link GTX Gore-tex boots from LSH (RM1539 iirc)
- full grain leather outer layer and looks more robust than the 3 TCX boots, especially when on the feet
- also has ortholite soles but not as soft as the Explorer 4 when pressed with fingers.
- overall thicker sole making walking more comfortable for me
- sole also is a little more "studded" so abit more confidence especially on wet surfaces.
- suspect itll be the warmest of the boots as it has zero textile outer layer so lesser ventilation compared to (2) & (3).
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Looks suspiciously like my knockoff Benkia boots. Hahahaha.

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Given how remarkably similar they are , I won't be surprised they are from the same OEM. No doubt the Revit will be made with better materials, given it's gore Tex and to justify the price and branding.

Mine is pleather, and leaks...despite big waterproof logo on the shoe.

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post Jul 15 2023, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 15 2023, 08:11 PM)
Goddamn!! Ahahahahhahahaha

They look so much alike....

I havent even had a chance to ride with the new gear yet...no rides in the near future as of now.
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Haha.

No secret Benkia cribs off Revit and other brands.

My current benkia glove is a doppleganger of a Revit glove as well.

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